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Union Demands send Firm and jobs packing from California

The job is worth what someone is willing to do it for.
And organized workers will do that job for better pay and in safer working conditions, assuming they're not artificially undercut by scab states.
As for this specific company, they werne't even against the union.. They were against the stacked deck of a card check election and they claim they pay a decent salary and haven't had employment issues in the past. So.. Maybe not so much.
If they weren't against the union then why be against a method of voting for unionization?
 
And organized workers will do that job for better pay and in safer working conditions, assuming they're not artificially undercut by scab states.

As the company is moving, they won't be doing the work at higher pay. Their loss.

If they weren't against the union then why be against a method of voting for unionization?

As taken from the article:
"We offer good salaries and good benefits, and we've never had a labor issue," Donald Boss, Kinkisharyo's general manager of program management, told The Los Angeles Times. "If our employees want to organize, they can. But we aren't going to organize for them."

believe it or not, someone can be neutral on unions and still not want the deck stacked.
 
And organized workers will do that job for better pay and in safer working conditions, assuming they're not artificially undercut by scab states.

If they weren't against the union then why be against a method of voting for unionization?

Because card check allows unions to terrorize innocent people just looking for a good job.
 
As long is there is a hungry belly to feed, there will always be someone willing to work for less.

Companies know this, which is why the idea that Labor and Capital come to the table as equals, is a myth.

When unions come in, they bring about more of an equilibrium between Capital and Labor which of course, Capital doesn't like.

This sends Capital into the loving arms of Right to Work for Less States.

Capital is happy to give quarterly to the coffers of politicians sympathetic to their plight because it is cheaper than paying people a fair wage.

When all else fails, Capital looks outside the US to exploit Labor. Plenty of hungry bellies outside our borders.
 
Because card check allows unions to terrorize innocent people just looking for a good job.
ter·ror·izeˈterəˌrīz/

"verb"
create and maintain a state of extreme fear and distress in (someone); fill with terror.
 
As long is there is a hungry belly to feed, there will always be someone willing to work for less.

Companies know this, which is why the idea that Labor and Capital come to the table as equals, is a myth.

When unions come in, they bring about more of an equilibrium between Capital and Labor which of course, Capital doesn't like.

This sends Capital into the loving arms of Right to Work for Less States.

Capital is happy to give quarterly to the coffers of politicians sympathetic to their plight because it is cheaper than paying people a fair wage.

When all else fails, Capital looks outside the US to exploit Labor. Plenty of hungry bellies outside our borders.

.. and yet unions still haven't learned. Must not be the brightest people.
 
.. and yet unions still haven't learned. Must not be the brightest people.

Yes, most people don't look past their bellies and undermine the whole process by readily allowing themselves to be exploited.
 
False narratives? Nope....sorry....its just the facts. But I've noticed that facts don't really mean much to your folk.

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Texas has nation

“Texas is the biggest job creator in the country in all four job quartiles,” Fisher said Tuesday while at The Dallas Morning News for an editorial meeting. He was referring to the government’s four wage groups — lowest, lower-middle, upper-middle and highest wages.

Last year, however, the number of Texans making minimum wage or less fell by 21,000. They accounted for 7.5 percent of all hourly workers in the state, down from 8 percent in 2011.The share of those workers also dropped nationwide, accounting for 4.7 percent of all hourly workers in 2012, down from 5.2 percent in 2011.

“The declines are really not surprising,” said Cheryl Abbot, a BLS regional economist in Dallas. “The last minimum-wage increase took place in 2009. Some of those people, not all, would have received wage increases in the last couple of years.”​
 
ocean515;1063901249 Last year said:
fell by 21,000[/B]. They accounted for 7.5 percent of all hourly workers in the state, down from 8 percent in 2011.


Doesn't change the facts still:

Texas had the most minimum-wage workers last year, accounting for nearly 13 percent of all such workers across the country, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.
 
I realize that scab friendly states undercut fair paying and safe jobs.

I believe workers' rights should be strengthened nationally to prevent other states from allowing the race to the bottom that we've been seeing for decades now as middle class jobs disappear while corporate profits skyrocket.


Any idea where those corporate profits go and where the wages these people earn go. How about the tax revenue generated on those corporate profits? Do you people ever think of individuals and the benefits of actually having a job? That's ok, send them to TX. Since we don't give away the state our Cost of living is a lot cheaper here
 
Doesn't change the facts still:

Texas had the most minimum-wage workers last year, accounting for nearly 13 percent of all such workers across the country, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

Yes they HAD. Apparently, given the business friendly atmosphere that has been eviscerated in California, the number of people receiving minimum wage in Texas is declining.

Of course California can still celebrate its win the "Highest Poverty in the Nation" category. Liberal/Progressives should be proud. Perhaps they can buy a donut or two for those workers the union screwed in Palmdale.
 
Thank you for adding to what is commonly know about card check organizing.

I was defining terrorize for you, since it appears you were unfamiliar with its proper usage.

"Card check (also called majority sign-up) is a method for American
employees to organize into a labor union in which a majority of employees in a bargaining unit sign authorization forms, or "cards," stating they wish to be represented by the union. Since theNational Labor Relations Act(NLRA) became law in 1935, majority sign-up has been an alternative to the National Labor Relations Board's (NLRB) election process. Majority sign-up and election are both overseen by the National Labor Relations Board."

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Card_check

Majority of employees voting to unionize doesn't fall under my conventional definition of "terror."
 
Thats true....and that's why states such as Texas that give free land away and hand out tons of corporate welfare bring the quality of life down for the vast majority of workers while lining the pockets of the CEO's with taxpayer money.

Texas has the highest percentage of people working for minimum wage (Tied with Mississippi).....do you think this is good for the working and middle class?

Again, why do you keep lying. Texas has the highest number of people making FEDERALminimum wage, California has three times the number making California minimum wage but you ignore that. Prior to July it was $8 an hour. Keep showing your ignorance of your own state
 
Undercutting your citizens into low paying jobs hurts both your citizens and the citizens of the states standing up for better conditions and pay.

Taking a low ball offer doesn't make you a winner, it makes the corporation low balling you a winner. Everyone else loses.

Yes, but apparently you haven't told the people moving here that since apparently in your world people are too stupid that they move to TX for lowing paying jobs and no insurance. Do you realize how foolish you sound?
 
False narratives? Nope....sorry....its just the facts. But I've noticed that facts don't really mean much to your folk.

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You continue to not learn a thing even as much as I try, BLS doesn't survey any state not paying FEDERAL MINIMUM Wage so California's 1.6 million workers making California minimum wage living in a state with the highest tax burden in the nation certainly trumps the 500,000 Texans making minimum wage here. Please stop making a fool of yourself.
 
Doesn't change the facts still:

Texas had the most minimum-wage workers last year, accounting for nearly 13 percent of all such workers across the country, according to data released Tuesday by the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics.

How was it living on California minimum wage of $8 an hour? Again, you have no idea what you are talking about which is why liberal leadership loves you. BLS only reports the states paying Federal Minimum wage, not the `1.6 million Californians making that state's minimum wage
 
Again, why do you keep lying. Texas has the highest number of people making FEDERALminimum wage, California has three times the number making California minimum wage but you ignore that. Prior to July it was $8 an hour. Keep showing your ignorance of your own state

LOL....the BLS numbers that you love to cite speak for themselves. You always try to shuffle and dance...but you cannot change (or deal with for that matter) the facts.
 
I was defining terrorize for you, since it appears you were unfamiliar with its proper usage.

"Card check (also called majority sign-up) is a method for American
employees to organize into a labor union in which a majority of employees in a bargaining unit sign authorization forms, or "cards," stating they wish to be represented by the union. Since theNational Labor Relations Act(NLRA) became law in 1935, majority sign-up has been an alternative to the National Labor Relations Board's (NLRB) election process. Majority sign-up and election are both overseen by the National Labor Relations Board."

Card check - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Majority of employees voting to unionize doesn't fall under my conventional definition of "terror."

Thank you very much for thinking I was unfamiliar with the proper usage of the word terrorize. As a Union hack who refers to temporary workers a vile scabs, I'm sure you're quite familiar with its proper usage.

Yet, let's not kid ourselves, the only reason card check is used is to remove the privacy an election provides. As you no doubt know, pro-union forces are very interested in learning who is standing in the way of their objective.

Sorry, but I've been one of those people on the other side of the table listening to the rhetoric. Thankfully, my employees understood what they would be giving up should a union organizing attempt be successful. As such, the unions scare tactics were never successful. And my employees were the ones who decided that.
 
Any idea where those corporate profits go and where the wages these people earn go. How about the tax revenue generated on those corporate profits? Do you people ever think of individuals and the benefits of actually having a job? That's ok, send them to TX. Since we don't give away the state our Cost of living is a lot cheaper here
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Yes, but apparently you haven't told the people moving here that since apparently in your world people are too stupid that they move to TX for lowing paying jobs and no insurance. Do you realize how foolish you sound?
People make bad long term decisions for selfish short term gain. It's in our human nature.
Thank you very much for thinking I was unfamiliar with the proper usage of the word terrorize. As a Union hack who refers to temporary workers a vile scabs, I'm sure you're quite familiar with its proper usage.

Yet, let's not kid ourselves, the only reason card check is used is to remove the privacy an election provides. As you no doubt know, pro-union forces are very interested in learning who is standing in the way of their objective.

Sorry, but I've been one of those people on the other side of the table listening to the rhetoric. Thankfully, my employees understood what they would be giving up should a union organizing attempt be successful. As such, the unions scare tactics were never successful. And my employees were the ones who decided that.
Your own scare tactics beat the union scare tactics. Morality prevails.
 
LOL....the BLS numbers that you love to cite speak for themselves. You always try to shuffle and dance...but you cannot change (or deal with for that matter) the facts.

Yes, they do speak for themselves, does Californian earn Federal Minimum wage? Who does BLS survey? You seem to have a problem understanding BLS and who they survey. Suggest you get better educated on the site
 
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People make bad long term decisions for selfish short term gain. It's in our human nature.

Your own scare tactics beat the union scare tactics. Morality prevails.

The actual numbers prove you wrong. People moving to TX are not doing so to take low paying jobs with no insurance. There are 52 Fortune 500 Companies now headquartered in this state and none of them are low paying jobs. You need to do better research and stop buying leftwing bs

Not exactly sure what you are trying to show but many of those high income earners moved to TX to take jobs here
 
Yes, they do speak for themselves, does Californian earn Federal Minimum wage? Who does BLS survey? You seem to have a problem understanding BLS and who they survey. Suggest you get better educated on the site

Its always fun to watch you struggle and cajole with the facts. Shuffle and spin rather than try to attempt to deal with the fact that the only state with as many people working for minimum wage as Texas is Mississippi. Wow...that must make you very uncomfortable Con....
 
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