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UNC report finds 18 years of academic fraud to keep athletes playing

Jack Fabulous said:
The funny part of this particular scandal is that the football team appears to have been involved. North Carolina football sucks and pretty much always has. If you're going to cheat at least get some hardware out of it before you get caught, sheesh.:lol:
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Yeah that's pretty funny in a sad sort of way. You have to believe Roy Williams is rather nervous right about now.
 
Top Cat said:
Do I believe this could be happening elsewhere? Sure. But show me a link to support it.
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How did Vince Young come out of UT and score a 6 on the Wonderlick IQ test ?
 
Ikari said:
It's all about the money, the NCAA has caused academics to fall behind sports in academia. Though that seems like a fundamental problem to me.
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No, its about the academic quality of the students prior to being offered a scholarship.

The College's are just part of the process they didn't create.
 
Fenton said:
No, its about the academic quality of the students prior to being offered a scholarship.

The College's are just part of the process they didn't create.
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It's proliferated through the system and the system moved to protect and proliferate it. The Universities making fake classes and trying to get idiot athletes through the system to maintain their funding and athletic competitiveness are part of the problem..
 
Fenton said:
No its deeper than that

The College's and the Schools are just a part of the process that happens AFTER a kid has been raised by parents who don't give a **** about education in general.

What would happen if College's around the Country started kicking a larger percentage of black athletes over whites out for not making the grade ?
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You think this could turn into a race-related ****storm?
 
Ikari said:
It's proliferated through the system and the system moved to protect and proliferate it. The Universities making fake classes and trying to get idiot athletes through the system to maintain their funding and athletic competitiveness are part of the problem..
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The " idiot athletes " were given the short end of the stick years before they revieved their scholarships.

They're only " idiots " because they've been conned out of a education.

And not by the schools either.
 
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Van Basten said:
You think this could turn into a race-related ****storm?
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Sure, it has all the potential in the world to grow into a huge narrative based on race.

College's start cutting scholarships based on REAL academic results and that will expose the real reasons why these students need to be baby-sat academically.

Education or lack of is a cultural issue that starts in the homes of the student's that recieve these scholarships.
 
Fenton said:
LOL !!

UNC isn't the only school doing this by a long shot.

Vince Young ( University of Texas ) scored a 6 on the Wonderlick Aptitude test.
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It's happened all over for a long time. There as a DP discussion on this a few months back and it's just common sense. These guys are traveling all over the place on road games 1/2 the year and sometimes longer with the bowl games. They're carrying a full load of credits AND making the grades cut? Take Michigan Wolverines football.... how many times in 2013 were players benched because of academic probation (which by the way is lower than a cumulative 2.0)? I couldn't find anything... and I think it happens not not just as UNC but everywhere college football is big money.... get these kids in classes where either they can pay someone to write their papers for them (also big business on campuses) or they get a class they need to show up once to hand in a 1 pager with basically their name on it - easy 4.0.

:shrug:

Ikari said:
It's all about the money, the NCAA has caused academics to fall behind sports in academia. Though that seems like a fundamental problem to me.
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I think that the NCAA needs to change the eligibility rules for athletes. Have a process wherein the athletes are required to complete a certain level of academic proficiency before they are allowed to compete and have that assessment come from the NCAA, not the schools. Basically, we need to move from the idea that competing is a right based on your ability to it being something that you EARN based on your academics. I'd start with no more Freshmen competing or traveling and they would be required to maintain a C+ average, with no failing classes and no more than one D. Then the NCAA should test the student athletes annually on what they learned the prior year and if they fail, they don't play. Assessing the student athlete's academic qualifications MUST be separated from the schools themselves.
 
Ockham said:
It's happened all over for a long time. There as a DP discussion on this a few months back and it's just common sense. These guys are traveling all over the place on road games 1/2 the year and sometimes longer with the bowl games. They're carrying a full load of credits AND making the grades cut? Take Michigan Wolverines football.... how many times in 2013 were players benched because of academic probation (which by the way is lower than a cumulative 2.0)? I couldn't find anything... and I think it happens not not just as UNC but everywhere college football is big money.... get these kids in classes where either they can pay someone to write their papers for them (also big business on campuses) or they get a class they need to show up once to hand in a 1 pager with basically their name on it - easy 4.0.

:shrug:
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I think allot of these kids simply don't have the aptitude to begin with.

Whether they come from underperforming schools or their grades were padded in High school they just dont academically belong in College.

There is going to be a huge back lash if the Colleges start holding these kids to meet a academic standard on their own.

And its not going to come from the kids themselves or even the Colleges.
 
mak2 said:
It starts in high school. My son played wide reciever. He came home or got a mid term report he had a D in a class. I told him foot ball was over. The next day it was a C+. Sports are a big problem in our schools today. And I love college football.
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Another problem I see here in high school is there are many times 3 meets or games a week for soccer, cross country, or track and field. How do these kids find time to study with all that bus time? I know I had a hard time finding the time in high school. Think how much the schools could save in fuel costs by having one meet or game a week.

We all bitch about lower performance than schools in other countries but we do things to sabotage it. In many European schools sports take a back seat ro academics.
 
Top Cat said:
Do you have a link to substantiate this?
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He doesn't need one. For those of us that have attended state universities it's pretty obvious.

I honestly don't know how the atheletes in my classes passed. They were never there.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
He doesn't need one. For those of us that have attended state universities it's pretty obvious.

I honestly don't know how the atheletes in my classes passed. They were never there.
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I understand the idea. But I do need a link. It's possible they had tutors.
 
Top Cat said:
Do you have a link to substantiate this?
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Yes, it's called ESPN. Do you think half that Auburn squad could legitimately pass Calculus? LOL
 
Fenton said:
The " idiot athletes " were given the short end of the stick years before they revieved their scholarships.

They're only " idiots " because they've been conned out of a education.

And not by the schools either.
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They are idiots because they are stupid ass jocks who couldn't add if you gave them all the tutors in the world. Oh they got cheated, huh? Our education system is broken, but all those other folk who can't play football are fine, huh? We don't owe them jobs or college education full of no classes. Idiot athletes are not the cause of the problems, true. That's the money that gets brought in because of athletics and the perversion of academia. But its not like the Universities are blameless in their support and proliferation of idiot athletes.
 
mak2 said:
I often hear this argument, but I am just not so sure why college costs so much. One of the schools I teach at cost the students 35- 38,000 annually to attend. I have 10-15 in my class. I dont make that much. They hvae 8-10 professors annually, mabye a few more. We have some nice buildings and utilities etc, but really, that much money and they still need football to pay for it?
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Well, if you're students are paying $38K to attend, then they don't need the football team. Most schools aren't that pricey.
 
Erod said:
Yes, it's called ESPN. Do you think half that Auburn squad could legitimately pass Calculus? LOL
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Calculus and trig aren't needed for most degrees. That's very difficult for most people.

Again, you can speculate all you want. You got nothin.
 
Top Cat said:
Calculus and trig aren't needed for most degrees. That's very difficult for most people.

Again, you can speculate all you want. You got nothin.
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Yes, scholars adorning the field in all directions. Please. Half these guys could convert 3/4 into a percentage.
 
Erod said:
Yes, scholars adorning the field in all directions. Please. Half these guys could convert 3/4 into a percentage.
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You have nothing.
 
The majority of college athletic departments lose money. Football will often make money, men's basketball can, but it makes less, and only 3 schools in the country last I checked even so much as break even on a baseball team. Every single other sport loses money for the AD. The ones most hurt by these types of scandals are the students who weren't expected to exceed and therefore didn't, and those who did exceed who now have the value of their education impacted (though if they excelled while being a student-athlete, they are probably doing just fine for themselves just by nature of the works habits it forced them to develop).

Honestly, until we start setting and really enforcing the expectation that these high-profile players really be student athletes it won't get better. If universities as a group cared, this scandal would impact UNC's accreditation and NCAA membership.
 
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