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Jury: Ex-Blackwater contractors guilty in 'outrageous' Nusoor Square shooting

You do if you're working for the United States government. That protection is probably in their contract. I know I wouldn't sign a contract without out it.

Since when do contracts with ANYONE permit and cover murder? Sorry but having a contract does not give one a license to commit murder and get away from the laws of the land. Besides, its obvious that the contract was nullified the moment it was broke. Which it was here.
 
As I thought, you think we have it coming. For A Canadian you seem a bit right of center but when all is said and done you are at root a Canadian and as such hold animosity towards America. Here we are calling that the Lilliputian complex and it is not just Canadians but countries all over the world that suffer this psychological condition. You may want to label this "dismissive victimhood" but it is just the reality of being the worlds superpower and I would rather be Gulliver than a Lilliputian.

Delusional nonsense.
 
Sorry, I believe it's the other way around.
iLOL
Yes, we can see what you believe, unfortunately for you, your belief is wrong and has repeated been shown to be wrong.


both of which rejected the shooter's self-defense alibi.
Wrong again.
The first one was hung.

His claim of self defense did not apply to the other charges, which left the jury with no choice but to find guilt.
As previously stated, had he been found not guilty this time around those findings of guilt had more than a good chance at being over turned.



Your opinion is noted. IMO, it is wrong.
As is your opinion, which is wrong. As shown multiple times.


More consequential, the juries that had all the evidence and reviewed it in its proper context also concluded that Dunn had not acted in self-defense.
You keep arguing in circles with irrelevancies.
The Jury's decision is irrelevant to a discussion of the evidence.
Citing the Jury is a logical fallacy.
And again, you saying that they "had all the evidence and reviewed it in its proper context" is also irrelevant, as we too had the same evinced they did, and actually had far more time to review it.
So all you are doing is repeating the same dispelled arguments.


One jury even found premeditation since he reached into his glove compartment to pull out his murder weapon at the time when the teens were trying to drive away.
iLOL
Please provide a link to this.
1.) Either you are showing your ignorance of the evidence again, misstating what you read, or the Juror got it wrong.
The vehicle was not fleeing when he reached for his firearm.

2.) Such a belief is also absurd. Reaching for your firearm to defend yourself is not premeditated anything.

3.) As previously provided, a juror from the first trial wanted to find him guilty because she believed he could have done something else, like park in a different spot or roll up his window (which by the way, was already up :doh). Had she done so, that would have been a miscarriage of justice as that is not what the law requires. It also just shows how stupid jurors can be and why they get things wrong all the time.


Given what was reported, I also believe Dunn made an "untrue assertion" of self-defense. Dunn did not act in self-defense.
Nothing reported supports your conclusions. And actually the evidence as repeatedly shown to you supports that he was reacting to the threats by Davis.


a "threat" that quite frankly never existed.
And yet that isn't what the evidence supports.

Lets see if you will at least be honest here.

The evidence says that Davis was the only one angry and irate and it was directed towards Dunn.
It also shows that Davis got out of the Durango as Dunn stated.

So for what purpose do you suppose the angry and irate Davis got out of the vehicle?
The only logical conclusion from the evidence would be to carry through with his threats to Dunn.
No other reason exists.


In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire. Three bullets hit Mr. Davis...
More illogical fallacy from you.
And as already pointed out, you do not know why they found the way they did. And yet here you are speaking as if you do. :doh
Like I already pointed out. The juror from the first trial voted to find him guilty for reason that were not in accordance with the law.
And presently you do not know if any current jurors thought the same.


Mr. Dunn fled the scene and never called the police, ...
Irrelevant.
He wasn't required to do so.
And his stated reasoning is reasonable given the trauma he experienced.


He fully deserved the sentence he received for taking an innocent life.
As he was acting in self defense, he neither deserved the finding of guilt or the sentence imposed.


Impartial review of the evidence coupled with the legal basis for self-defense illustrates why two capable juries could only find as they did.
Wrong.
And Impartial review is not what happened at all. Not by you or by the jury.
If you think that, you do not understand reality.


Dunn acted in self-defense only in an alternate reality in which the legal definition of self-defense is malleable and the suspect's alibi trumps the evidence.
Wrong.
You know not of what you speak. Just like you do not know the actual evidence even though it has been pointed out to you several times now.


Actual or imminent threat to one's life or of serious injury must exist (it didn't in this case, as one was dealing with unarmed teens who were attacked when leaving the scene of the argument).
Wrong.
The threat does not have to be actual. It has to be perceived as such.
If you knew what you were talking about, you would know that.
 
iLOL
Yes, we can see what you believe, unfortunately for you, your belief is wrong and has repeated been shown to be wrong.

Wrong again.
The first one was hung.

The above spin is incorrect. Both juries rejected the self-defense alibi as I explicitly stated. The deadlock occurred on the first degree murder charge, only.

From CBS News:

Florida jury found the man who shot and killed a teenager after an argument over loud music guilty of three counts of attempted second-degree murder Saturday but was deadlocked on the top count of first-degree murder, for which a mistrial was declared.

Michael Dunn verdict: Jury deadlocks on murder charge - CBS News

In no way whatsoever did this jury accept Dunn's alibi of self-defense. None.

Dunn's attorneys had done the best they could. But in this case, the self-defense alibi was unsustainable. Dunn murdered a teenager who was inside his vehicle (largely defenseless and most definitely not posing any kind of threat) and when the vehicle was trying to leave the scene (which would have indicated that even if a threat existed in theory--it didn't--the threat had ended).

From the CBS story cited above:

The state's medical examiner testified that the trajectory of Dunn's bullets into Davis' body showed that Davis was sitting down when he was shot.

From The New York Times:

In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire.

Those are the facts. Repetition of one's personal opinion in a determined effort to claim Dunn had acted legitimately in self-defense (he didn't) does not and cannot change those facts. It is those personal opinions that are wrong, as they have no basis in the facts that the two juries found key to their decision. In the end, Dunn had an argument. He did not face an imminent threat to life or of serious harm. He attacked unarmed teens who were inside their vehicle and seeking to leave the scene of the argument. He then simply drove away and never reported his shooting to the police, something any reasonable person would have reported if he/she had truly acted in self-defense.

This was a murder. The two juries correctly recognized it as such. The only difference was that one jury could not determine that it was premeditated murder, while the second jury found that it was a case of premeditated murder.
 
Irrelevant.
He wasn't required to do so.
And his stated reasoning is reasonable given the trauma he experienced.

Incorrect and also unsourced. His actions following the shooting incident formed part of the Prosecution's successful line of argument.

From The New York Times

This time, prosecutors homed in more forcefully on Mr. Dunn’s actions after the shooting, behavior that they said cloaked him in guilt. Mr. Dunn fled the scene and never called the police, not even after he learned that someone had died. Instead, he and the woman who was then his fiancée drove to their hotel, where he walked the dog, poured himself a rum and Coke and ordered a pizza. The next day he drove two and a half hours back to his house in Satellite Beach, where the police, who by then had his license plate number, arrested him.

“If you are fighting to defend your life, you don’t then run from the scene,” said Angela B. Corey, the state attorney for the county, in a news conference after the verdict.


Wrong.
The threat does not have to be actual. It has to be perceived as such.

As stated in #66 in this thread:

In general, a reasonable person would have to fear imminent serious harm or threat to his/her life in order to be justified in shooting another person.

There was no actual threat of that nature and no reasonable basis to perceive such a threat. Someone's fearing something means they perceive it.

As there was no actual threat nor one that a reasonable person would have perceived of a nature that justified the shooting, the self-defense argument was not credible. A murder took place and the conviction and sentence were wholly warranted.
 
iLOL
Please provide a link to this.

I've done so on multiple occasions. Again, from The New York Times:

In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/u...h-of-florida-youth-in-loud-music-dispute.html

Now please provide a link that the jury ruled that Dunn had acted in self-defense. The deadlock on the first degree murder charge does not constitute such a ruling, as the very same jury convicted him on the second degree murder charges. We know Dunn's alibi. But neither jury accepted it.
 
The above spin is incorrect. Both juries rejected the self-defense alibi as I explicitly stated. The deadlock occurred on the first degree murder charge, only.
And what you stated is incorrect. It was hung on the subject we are speaking about.
All you are doing is showing that you do not know what you are talking about.
He could not claim self defense against those teens as they did nothing for him to defend himself against.
And as already pointed out, the jury had no choice but to find the way they did in regards to those charges.

Which again, is irrelevant to this discussion.

As is everything else you have provided.



The state's medical examiner testified that the trajectory of Dunn's bullets into Davis' body showed that Davis was sitting down when he was shot.
This was already addressed when she testified.
She was not credible and was shown to be wrong by the evidence.


In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire.
The sheer stupidity of it all. :doh
A reporters opinion is not evidence of why a jury found the way they did.
Just more failure from you.


Those are the facts.
No those are not the facts.
Funny that you actually think they are.
The actual facts includes the evidence that I keep pointing out to you which you continually ignore because it doesn't fit your position.


Repetition of one's personal opinion
Which is what you are doing. A personal opinion based on the logical fallacy of an appeal to authority. Which is a foolish position considering that this is about the evidence, not what the a found.


This was a murder.
That is not what the evidence says. You know, that stuff that you wont discuss.


The two juries correctly recognized it as such.
That is not what the evidence says. You know, that stuff that you wont discuss.


So again, back to the actual evidence.

Lets see if you will at least be honest here.

The evidence says that Davis was the only one angry and irate and it was directed towards Dunn.
It also shows that Davis got out of the Durango as Dunn stated.

So for what purpose do you suppose the angry and irate Davis got out of the vehicle?
The only logical conclusion from the evidence would be to carry through with his threats to Dunn.
No other reason exists.
 
I've done so on multiple occasions. Again, from The New York Times:

In the end, the jury found that Mr. Dunn intended to kill Mr. Davis and acted with premeditation as he reached into his glove compartment for his gun and fired 10 times at Mr. Davis and the Durango, even as it pulled away to evade the gunfire

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/02/u...h-of-florida-youth-in-loud-music-dispute.html

Now please provide a link that the jury ruled that Dunn had acted in self-defense. The deadlock on the first degree murder charge does not constitute such a ruling, as the very same jury convicted him on the second degree murder charges. We know Dunn's alibi. But neither jury accepted it.
This was already addressed.
You have not shown any such thing.
A reporters opinion is not fact of why a jury found the way they did.
Funny that you think it means anything.
 
And what you stated is incorrect. It was hung on the subject we are speaking about.
All you are doing is showing that you do not know what you are talking about.

With all due respect, your assertion that jury did not reject Dunn's self-defense alibi was incorrect. The jury did absolutely no such thing. The first jury convicted him on the second degree murder charges. If you believe it exonerated him, which is the only outcome if it accepted his self-defense claim, please provide a link. There is none, because that's not what happened.

The second jury convicted him on the second and first degree murder charges, again not accepting the self-defense argument.

I provided links to both cases and a news story describing events is not a newspaper editorial nor an op-ed. There is a difference between the editorial and op-ed pages and the news pages. Both the CBS News and New York Times stories were news, not opinion. Moreover, all the major news sources reported the same story. So if one has to choose between all the news accounts and one's dissenting opinion as to what happened, the risk that every major news outlet would be incorrect is improbable.

Mr. Dunn is now serving the sentence for the murder he committed. If credible new evidence comes to light that he might have acted in self-defense (extremely unlikely given that two trials vetted the evidence), I'll look further at the case.

The evidence made a self-defense claim unsustainable. Dunn's actions afterward in choosing not to report the incident to the police even after learning that one of his shooting victims had died further undercut notions that he had acted in self-defense. The jury acted in accordance with the evidence. I agree with the jury given the evidence that was reported. You don't and that's a matter of belief.

At this time, there is nothing further I can add. I've provide multiple links. Objective readers who go through the stories will almost certainly understand why neither jury accepted the self-defense alibi (no actual threat: unarmed teens, Davis was seated when shot, the teens were trying to drive away; no reasonably perceived threat: no weapons were found, none of the witnesses saw a shotgun or other weapon, his fiance revealed that he had never told her about any gun, the teens were leaving not escalating the argument). The conditions for an imminent actual or perceived threat to Dunn's life or of serious harm were not present.
 
Incorrect and also unsourced. His actions following the shooting incident formed part of the Prosecution's successful line of argument.
Wrong.
You are forgetting that these discussions already happened.
All you are doing is continuing to show you know not of what you speak.
He was not required to report anything.

And asking anybody to source that which does not exist, is just silly. :doh



This time, prosecutors homed in more forcefully on Mr. Dunn’s actions after the shooting, behavior that they said cloaked him in guilt. Mr. Dunn fled the scene and never called the police, not even after he learned that someone had died. Instead, he and the woman who was then his fiancée drove to their hotel, where he walked the dog, poured himself a rum and Coke and ordered a pizza. The next day he drove two and a half hours back to his house in Satellite Beach, where the police, who by then had his license plate number, arrested him.

“If you are fighting to defend your life, you don’t then run from the scene,” said Angela B. Corey, the state attorney for the county, in a news conference after the verdict.
:doh:lamo:doh
All irrelevant.
A prosecutors argument, before, during, or after the trial, is not evidence. D'oh!



As stated in #66 in this thread:

In general, a reasonable person would have to fear imminent serious harm or threat to his/her life in order to be justified in shooting another person.

There was no actual threat of that nature and no reasonable basis to perceive such a threat. Someone's fearing something means they perceive it.

As there was no actual threat nor one that a reasonable person would have perceived of a nature that justified the shooting, the self-defense argument was not credible. A murder took place and the conviction and sentence were wholly warranted.
You keep going in circles with your nonsense.
Reasonable folks do think his belief was reasonable. It is why it was hung the first time.
It is also why polling shows that others believe he should not have been convicted.
And as previously shown, the juror from the first trial wanted to find him guilty simply because she believed he had other options such as rolling up his window (which d'oh, was already up).

So stop talking nonsense and basing your arguments on a logical fallacy.
 
With all due respect, your assertion that jury did not reject Dunn's self-defense alibi was incorrect. The jury did absolutely no such thing. The first jury convicted him on the second degree murder charges. If you believe it exonerated him, which is the only outcome if it accepted his self-defense claim, please provide a link. There is none, because that's not what happened.

The second jury convicted him on the second and first degree murder charges, again not accepting the self-defense argument.

I provided links to both cases and news story describing events is not a newspaper editorial nor an op-ed. There is a difference between the editorial and op-ed pages and the news pages. Both the CBS New and New York Times stories were news, not opinion. Moreover, all the major news sources reported the same story. So if one has to choose between all the news accounts and one's dissenting opinion as to what happened, the risk that every major news outlet would be incorrect is improbable.

Mr. Dunn is now serving the sentence for the murder he committed. If credible new evidence comes to light that he might have acted in self-defense (extremely unlikely given that two trials vetted the evidence), I'll look further at the case.

The evidence made a self-defense claim unsustainable. Dunn's actions afterward in choosing not to report the incident to the police even after learning that one of his shooting victims had died further undercut notions that he had acted in self-defense. The jury acted in accordance with the evidence. I agree with the jury given the evidence that was reported. You don't and that's a matter of belief.

At this time, there is nothing further I can add. I've provide multiple links. Objective readers who go through the stories will almost certainly understand why neither jury accepted the self-defense alibi (no actual threat: unarmed teens, Davis was seated when shot, the teens were trying to drive away; no reasonably perceived threat: no weapons were found, none of the witnesses saw a shotgun or other weapon, the teens were leaving not escalating the argument). The conditions for an imminent actual or perceived threat to Dunn's life or of serious harm were not present.
Wow! You continually show you have no clue as to what you speak, all the while relying on a logical fallacy. :doh
He could not claim self defense to the other charges. They did nothing requiring the use of self defense.
The jury had no choice in regards to those charges.

And you repeatedly have shown that you do not know the evidence to even speak about it, especially as the evidence did support self defense.

So not only have you shown you do not know the evidence, don't pay attention to it when it is given to you, but instead choose to rely on a logical fallacy as an argument. That is called nonsense.
And on top of that, you also want to insert another logical fallacy of an appeal to the masses. :doh

You have been given numerous opportunities to discuss the actual evidence, but continually choose not to, and instead wish to illogically rely on others opinions. :doh
You as well as your arguments have failed.
 
Interesting way to discuss and debate you have shown here

What's to debate? You haven't posted anything other than dismissive victimhood and/or delusional nonsense in response to what I posted. If you'd like to go back to my original post and offer something substantive in response, perhaps we could debate the issue - otherwise, what's the point?
 
And asking anybody to source that which does not exist, is just silly.

And they don't exist, because none of the two juries accepted Dunn's claim of self-defense.

Reasonable folks do think his belief was reasonable. It is why it was hung the first time.

Again, wrong. The first jury did not exonerate Dunn. It convicted him on the second degree murder charges. The only issue on which it deadlocked was whether the murder was premeditated (first-degree). The question as to whether a murder was premeditated (1st degree) is not the same thing as accepting the self-defense alibi. If the jury had accepted it, Dunn would have been acquitted on all of the murder charges. That's not what happened.

If the first jury accepted the self-defense alibi, provide the link.
 
Since when do contracts with ANYONE permit and cover murder? Sorry but having a contract does not give one a license to commit murder and get away from the laws of the land. Besides, its obvious that the contract was nullified the moment it was broke. Which it was here.

Is that what I said? No? I didn't think so. I said civil rights. Care to discuss what I said and not what I didn't?
 
It is a way of having boots on the ground somewhat covertly and retaining plausible deniability.

With no structured chain of command. That is a recipe for disaster, as we have already seen.
 
And asking anybody to source that which does not exist, is just silly.
And they don't exist, because none of the two juries accepted Dunn's claim of self-defense.
:doh
Nothing you said has anything to do with what you quoted.

As I said, there was no requirement that he report the shooting.
Such a requirement is what doesn't exist and was that which was silly of you to ask me to source.

Since you obviously have trouble following your own conversations, the following isn't just to help you (as we already know you do not pay attention), but so others can see just how wrong you are again.

Mr. Dunn fled the scene and never called the police, ...
Irrelevant.
He wasn't required to do so.
And his stated reasoning is reasonable given the trauma he experienced.
Incorrect and also unsourced. His actions following the shooting incident formed part of the Prosecution's successful line of argument.
Wrong.
You are forgetting that these discussions already happened.
All you are doing is continuing to show you know not of what you speak.
He was not required to report anything.

And asking anybody to source that which does not exist, is just silly. :doh


You keep going in circles with your nonsense.
Reasonable folks do think his belief was reasonable. It is why it was hung the first time.
It is also why polling shows that others believe he should not have been convicted.
And as previously shown, the juror from the first trial wanted to find him guilty simply because she believed he had other options such as rolling up his window (which d'oh, was already up).

So stop talking nonsense and basing your arguments on a logical fallacy.
Again, wrong. The first jury did not exonerate Dunn. It convicted him on the second degree murder charges.
You were already told you are wrong and why you are wrong. Pay attention.
1.) The murder of Davis was what was being discussed, not the other charges.
2.) His self defense claim was only to the shooting of Davis. He had no self defense claim against the other charges. Those young men did nothing that required him to defend himself against and thus he could not claim such. The verdict on those charges were a given as the Jury had no choice.​
And as already pointed out, had he been found not guilty this time around those other findings likely would not have stood.


And yes folks did believe, and do believe he acted reasonably.
You are just making absurd claims you can not support, all because you do not know the evidence or this case.

First trial
Within the first hour of deliberations, juror #4, identified only as Valerie, said there was no chance of a murder conviction because two jurors thought Dunn was justified in his actions.
Juror in Michael Dunn trial wanted murder conviction
Which later changed to three jurors.


If the jury had accepted it, Dunn would have been acquitted on all of the murder charges. That's not what happened.
And again you are wrong and again showing that you are completely ignorant of that which you speak.

The Juror mentioned above said she believed his account but thought he shouldn't have kept shooting. Making it 4 who believed his account.
And it was obvious by the reason she gave for her decision that she didn't understand the evidence presented.
Again exemplifying the fact that juries get things wrong all the time.


So again, back to the actual evidence. You know, that stuff you keep avoiding.

Lets see if you will at least be honest here.

The evidence says that Davis was the only one angry and irate and it was directed towards Dunn.
It also shows that Davis got out of the Durango as Dunn stated.

So for what purpose do you suppose the angry and irate Davis got out of the vehicle?
The only logical conclusion from the evidence would be to carry through with his threats to Dunn.
No other reason exists.
 
Is that what I said? No? I didn't think so. I said civil rights. Care to discuss what I said and not what I didn't?

This is what you said....


You do if you're working for the United States government. That protection is probably in their contract. I know I wouldn't sign a contract without out it.

So yes, it is what you said. Your civil rights comment was shot down several posts ago and then you mentioned contracts with the government. Don't run away from what you said. Man up and own it.
 
They're American citizens working for The United States government. They don't fit the description of a mercenary.

Mercenary | Define Mercenary at Dictionary.com

adjective
1.
working or acting merely for money or other reward; venal.
2.
hired to serve in a foreign army, guerrilla organization, etc.

noun, plural mercenaries.
3.
a professional soldier hired to serve in a foreign army.

They fit all 3 definitions. Stating anything else is semantics.
 
So again, back to the actual evidence. You know, that stuff you keep avoiding.

Actually, I've provided news links on multiple occasions. I've asked for links for your statements that the jury did not reject the self-defense alibi. I received none. I'm not surprised, because there was no such outcome.

I've posted news stories that revealed that the teens were unarmed, Davis was sitting inside the vehicle when shot, the Durango was attempting to drive away when the shots were fired, Dunn never reported the shooting, etc.

I've also noted that Dunn was not a credible witness. He claimed Davis was outside and posed a threat to him. The Medical Examiner revealed that Davis was inside the vehicle and sitting when shot. Sometime after the incident Dunn concocted a story that a shotgun had been pointed at him. His fiance told the court that Dunn never mentioned a gun to her. The teens were found to have been unarmed and none of the witnesses saw a gun.

Those are two examples where Dunn's testimony was in conflict with what others said and/or other evidence. Given those and other differences, I've made clear, I don't accept Dunn's account. It wasn't believable. Moreover, even if a theoretical actual or perceived threat existed (it didn't), the threat had ended when the teens were attempting to drive away.

The two juries, both of which had the full set of information rather than the more limited information that was published by the media, also drew the conclusion that he did not act in self-defense. If he had, there would have been no convictions as the bullets would have been deemed to have been fired at the alleged threat not indiscriminately at the others. So no, the jury didn't by the self-defense claim.

That two juries reached the same conclusion that Dunn deserved to be convicted on at least second degree murder reduces the probability of jury error. The notion that the juries didn't "understand the evidence" in reaching their verdict is a vast stretch.
 
This is what you said....




So yes, it is what you said. Your civil rights comment was shot down several posts ago and then you mentioned contracts with the government. Don't run away from what you said. Man up and own it.

Civil rights is what I meant, becausw I referred to civil right in a previous post and you damn well know it. Don't resort to lieing, just to try and win an argument. That's cowardly.
 
Civil rights is what I meant, becausw I referred to civil right in a previous post and you damn well know it. Don't resort to lieing, just to try and win an argument. That's cowardly.

You might have "meant" civil rights. But in that post you talked about contracts with the government and making sure that you had a contract for protection also. I didn't lie. The proof is right there in the post. Instead of claiming that I was lying and you "meant" "civil rights" then you should have just admitted you made a mistake instead of posting this and calling me a liar.
 
Actually, I've provided news links on multiple occasions.
Which has nothing to do with what I said,
You keep avoiding the actual evidence and keep going to stuff like a reporters opinion which is irrelevant.
Obviously you purposely left it out of what you quoted because you want to avoid it.

So again, back to the stuff you keep avoiding, the actual evidence.

Lets see if you will at least be honest here. (so far you have failed)

The evidence says that Davis was the only one angry and irate and it was directed towards Dunn.
It also shows that Davis got out of the Durango as Dunn stated.

So for what purpose do you suppose the angry and irate Davis got out of the vehicle?
The only logical conclusion from the evidence would be to carry through with his threats to Dunn.
No other reason exists.


I've asked for links for your statements that the jury did not reject the self-defense alibi. I received none.
:doh
Stop with the dishonesty.
I just provided you the information which was being spoken about.
There were jurors who believed his account the first time.
Which is why the crap you spew is nonsense.


I've posted news stories that revealed that the teens were unarmed,
:lamo
And?
A reporter's opinion means absolutely squat. The actual evidence (you know, that stuff you wont discuss and continually avoid) leaves open the possibility that Davis had been armed.


Davis was sitting inside the vehicle when shot, the Durango was attempting to drive away when the shots were fired, Dunn never reported the shooting, etc.
:doh
And as already pointed out to you, her testimony wasn't even credible, and it was destroyed on cross. The angle of the entry wounds does not suggest he was sitting there.
You again have nothing and instead argue nonsense, all because you do not know the evidence.


I've also noted that Dunn was not a credible witness.
Which isn't true, as previously pointed out there were those jurors who did believe him and people who still do.
You have nothing but false claims.


He claimed Davis was outside and posed a threat to him.
Learn the evidence and stop ignoring it when it is provided to you.

Davis got out of the vehicle.
It is a claim that is supported by testimony of Davis's friend.


The Medical Examiner revealed that Davis was inside the vehicle and sitting when shot.
Irrelevant as it was shown during trial that that wasn't true.


Sometime after the incident Dunn concocted a story that a shotgun had been pointed at him.
Just another false claim by you.


His fiance told the court that Dunn never mentioned a gun to her.
Still going in circles.
Her, an emotionally unstable person, not remembering what she was told means absolutely nothing.


The teens were found to have been unarmed and none of the witnesses saw a gun.
Yet their suspicious activity in the other parking lot, and in leaving that area leaves open the possibility that there was a gun. Especially as they didn't bother to tell the police about being in the other parking lot.


It wasn't believable.
Suuuuurrrrrrrreeeee! :doh
That's why jurors from the first trial believed him and other folks still do.
You speak nonsense.


Moreover, even if a theoretical actual or perceived threat existed (it didn't), the threat had ended when the teens were attempting to drive away.
Bs!
Davis wasn't the driver. His being a threat doesn't just magically disappear because the vehicle he jumped back into backed up and stopped immediately behind you,. THat put the threat just feet away. D'oh! That is still a threat.
The threat could only have ended once the vehicle was far enough away making any possible return fire ineffective.

Which just shows that jurors do get things wrong all the time.


The two juries, both of which had the full set of information rather than the more limited information that was published by the media, also drew the conclusion that he did not act in self-defense.
This is you not paying attention and not understanding what occurred, leading you to again make a false claim.
Members of the first jury did believe him, as shown, that is why the jury was hung.
The first juries decision on the other charges is irrespective of the first, especially as he could not claim self defense as they did nothing to warrant the use of self defense. Your continued failure to understand that is your problem.


If he had, there would have been no convictions as the bullets would have been deemed to have been fired at the alleged threat not indiscriminately at the others. So no, the jury didn't by the self-defense claim.
Simply wrong, all because you do not know what you are talking about.
There were 3 jurors who wanted to acquit. That is why the jury was hung.
Nor would have an acquittal changed any verdict the jury rendered in regards to the other charges. Only the trial Judge or the appellate process could have overturned them.


That two juries reached the same conclusion that Dunn deserved to be convicted on at least second degree murder reduces the probability of jury error.
Said the guy who knows not of what he speaks.
The Juries decisions are separate and distinct from each other and deal with two separate set of facts and law.
There is no reduction in the probability of Jury error. What an absurd claim to make.


The notion that the juries didn't "understand the evidence" in reaching their verdict is a vast stretch.
More nonsense from you.

It has already been shown that jurors from the first trial did not understand evidence and based their decisions outside of the law.
 
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