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Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say how

Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

And, yes, it's quite clear you don't like the woman. That comes through loud and clear.

Oh good, I'm glad you got that. Not personal, since I don't know her that way, just as a politician. I consider her an enemy of our Constitution.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Yep, definitely the new "Kenya."
 
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Yeah, she should name names, after all..look how well Anita Hill was supported when she did so.
Anita Hill had balls (so to speak) and what she did brought sexual harassment out of the shadows and on to the front pages. Regardless of whether she was believable or not, she did a great favor to women and helped alter the way women are treated in the workplace. Warren has a similar opportunity here, but chose not to take it. To Warren, her own victimhood status is more important I guess.
 
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Probably not. If you start attacking those men.. bigger more powerful men in DC, you put yourself at risk as a politician. Those guys have sway and access to the media, and they have big ass, rich supporters and donors who want them to stay in office. The lobbyist would defend them. The right wing media would defend them. The spineless liberal media would debate the topic.

Really... you don't think Fox News would do their job in propping up any of those men in a sexual harassment scandal... ****ing please. Rush Limbaugh would go the hell off calling these women liars and sluts. He would demand to know what they were wearing, because they were probably begging for the guys to compliment and smack their asses. Megan Kelly and Misha Brzezinski would suspiciously criticize all the women making the allegations. The 24 hour news media spin would make it a debate issue, not congratulate these women for their bravery and courage.

I think you mean "Mika" Brzezinski? She's on MSNBC, not Fox News, and she was talking about this yesterday on Morning Joe and agreeing with the rest of the gang that Warren & Gillibrand need to name names. Mika herself brought action against MSNBC a few years ago at the risk of alienating her employers, but she knew naming names was the only thing to do.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

She answered a direct question. Pretty ingenious political ploy to answer 'Yes' to a direct question! :roll:

And I'm not sure why anyone needs to respond to a headline and a flack's take on it, when what she actually said was just a couple dozen words.

Then why are you posting in this thread?
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

My highly trained detective skills tell me you don't like Elizabeth Warren very much.

And you'd be right about that. And apparently I'm not alone. MSNBC must not like her either. They said the same things about this issue as I did. Maybe MSNBC is turning far right.
 
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wow... and right wing women are attacking her for saying that. Amazing.

This is a "left-right" issue? Interesting. Looks to everyone else like a male-female issue. Even Senators Warren & Gillibrand didn't make it a "left-right" issue.

By the way, are women in this country supposed to just bob their heads and agree with everything other women say? Do you think every woman should agree with, oh let's say, Michelle Bachmann when she says abortion should be illegal, simply because she's a woman, and they're all women?
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Then why are you posting in this thread?

The 'flack' referred to the reporter, and "when what she actually said was just a couple dozen words."
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

And you'd be right about that. And apparently I'm not alone. MSNBC must not like her either. They said the same things about this issue as I did. Maybe MSNBC is turning far right.

Or like any show touching politics, MSNBC likes a scandal O the Day to gin up interest and viewership, and this non-story was the best they could do that morning.
 
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This is a "left-right" issue? Interesting. Looks to everyone else like a male-female issue. Even Senators Warren & Gillibrand didn't make it a "left-right" issue.

I think the point was "that" which she said wasn't much - the claim, such as it was, consisted entirely of her answering the question - have you been treated differently in the Senate because you're a woman - "Yes", which is as extraordinary a claim for D.C. as republicans don't appear to like Obama all that much, John Boehner likes to drink alcohol, or Barney Frank is....GAY!
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

That's sort of the point I've been making.
She answered a direct question, "Yes" and made no actual claim that needed defending or elaboration.
Senators treated her differently....



As I said, all the rest is projection. See ^^^^

So then she could have meant she was offended by someone holding the door open and we're left to assume she meant the real thing.
Hey, maybe that's what she wanted us to believe huh.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

So then she could have meant she was offended by someone holding the door open and we're left to assume she meant the real thing.
Hey, maybe that's what she wanted us to believe huh.

I suppose, but what's "the real thing." She didn't say yes to a question, "Have you been sexually harassed" so no reason or support for that kind of leap.

What's kind of funny is clearly Warren didn't want to make a big deal out of this - hence, after the topic was introduced in the form of a direct question, the "Yes" "Nope" "I said all I'm going to say" responses followed by a longer one that is politician-side-step of the issue.

I've been thinking hard about this, and I've finally concluded after much deliberation that whole thing is a thin excuse to bash a prominent and apparently not liked liberal. :roll:

Also, too, I'm sure CNN and the reporter are pleased. Bunch of people clicking on a non-story is a "news" organization WIN!
 
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I don't see anything Warren said to be out of the norm for a left-feminist whose very thinking is based on victimhood as they view women as victims due to men. Never understood that concept of trying to empower women through victimhood.

What stood out to me in the OP was that this piece sympathizing feminist victimhood was posted on Yahoo. Yahoo's CEO is Marrissa Mayer. Ms. Mayer is a big bundler for the Democrat party. So in the piece it wasn't surprising to see the (D) left off of the deceased Hawaii Sen. Daniel K. Inouye in regard to his alleged remarks to Kirsten Gillibrand in regard to her weight. I believe she published her memoirs naming Sen. Daniel Inouye after he was no longer around to defend himself. Whether you agree with Inouye's politics, he was a war hero and a huge supporter of civil rights. Some of the same rights that pave the way for the Hilldibrands and the Warrens to pursue seats in the Senate. So to make accusations about someone when they are no longer around to defend them puts the B in itch in my opinion.
 
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I don't see anything Warren said to be out of the norm for a left-feminist whose very thinking is based on victimhood as they view women as victims due to men. Never understood that concept of trying to empower women through victimhood.

Looked to me that nothing she said appeared out of the norm for women who work in male dominated professions.... And her prescription, such as there was one in that interview, was to elect more strong women to the Senate. I'm not sure how that's empowering women through victimhood.

What stood out to me in the OP was that this piece sympathizing feminist victimhood was posted on Yahoo. Yahoo's CEO is Marrissa Mayer. Ms. Mayer is a big bundler for the Democrat party. So in the piece it wasn't surprising to see the (D) left off of the deceased Hawaii Sen. Daniel K. Inouye in regard to his alleged remarks to Kirsten Gillibrand in regard to her weight. I believe she published her memoirs naming Sen. Daniel Inouye after he was no longer around to defend himself. Whether you agree with Inouye's politics, he was a war hero and a huge supporter of civil rights. Some of the same rights that pave the way for the Hilldibrands and the Warrens to pursue seats in the Senate. So to make accusations about someone when they are no longer around to defend them puts the B in itch in my opinion.

You're kidding, right? Did you see the picture they selected? And why would an article about what Warren said in an interview include a comprehensive rundown of the claims made by Gillibrand?

I also doubt that Mayer is a bundler for the Democrat Party, at least not in the U.S. Could be a Democrat party in some other country I suppose.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Looked to me that nothing she said appeared out of the norm for women who work in male dominated professions.... And her prescription, such as there was one in that interview, was to elect more strong women to the Senate. I'm not sure how that's empowering women through victimhood.



You're kidding, right? Did you see the picture they selected? And why would an article about what Warren said in an interview include a comprehensive rundown of the claims made by Gillibrand?

I also doubt that Mayer is a bundler for the Democrat Party, at least not in the U.S. Could be a Democrat party in some other country I suppose.

Mentioning Gillibrand's memoirs was to bring validity to Warren's claims.
As far as Ms Mayer goes, educate yourself.
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Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Mentioning Gillibrand's memoirs was to bring validity to Warren's claims.

Which "claims" did Warren make. She answered a question - have you been treated differently? - Yes. Then changed the subject. The reporter wanted a scandal, didn't get it, but right wingers jumped on it anyway.


Oh, I see, you meant the Democratic Party. My mistake....
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Anita Hill had balls (so to speak) and what she did brought sexual harassment out of the shadows and on to the front pages. Regardless of whether she was believable or not, she did a great favor to women and helped alter the way women are treated in the workplace. Warren has a similar opportunity here, but chose not to take it. To Warren, her own victimhood status is more important I guess.
Thats like saying Tawana Brawley did women a great service about lying about being assaulted because somewhere out there, women are being assaulted.

Anita Hill followed the man around to different jobs and sent him cards, gifts, and called him over the next 10 years. She parlayed her allegations into teaching gigs and speaking engagements. The allegations she made against him were lame at best. But she was a 'hero' for the cause. So was Sandra Fluke.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Which "claims" did Warren make. She answered a question - have you been treated differently? - Yes. Then changed the subject. The reporter wanted a scandal, didn't get it, but right wingers jumped on it anyway.



Oh, I see, you meant the Democratic Party. My mistake....

She laid it on about the male dominated senate as treating her "different". I almost feel sorry for the men. They are walking on eggshells to parch their words to be politically correct. The New York Times has written about Warren's friendship with Hillibrand. If I were a male senator I would go out of my way to avoid women who claim war on women when in fact they refuse to acknowledge that they have a war on men. But after reading your comments claiming that Tennessee treats women poorly which is a bunch of bloviating BS. Tennessee is just 2 1/2 hours from my state border by car. In this region of the country what you claim is just not true. There is always going to be the occasional instance but to make such a broad claim as you did is preposterous but it is certainly in line with what the Warren's and the Hillibrand's do. :lol:
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

She laid it on about the male dominated senate as treating her "different". I almost feel sorry for the men. They are walking on eggshells to parch their words to be politically correct. The New York Times has written about Warren's friendship with Hillibrand. If I were a male senator I would go out of my way to avoid women who claim war on women when in fact they refuse to acknowledge that they have a war on men. But after reading your comments claiming that Tennessee treats women poorly which is a bunch of bloviating BS. Tennessee is just 2 1/2 hours from my state border by car. In this region of the country what you claim is just not true. There is always going to be the occasional instance but to make such a broad claim as you did is preposterous but it is certainly in line with what the Warren's and the Hillibrand's do. :lol:

It's almost as if she's trying to create a new card.... there's the race card and we know what that is. Now we have the "sex card", so criticisms levied at Warren will now be viewed as ..."Hmm... is that guy one of the 'good old boys' she was talking about? Another wedge issue to deflect criticisms of her and turn the tables because she's a woman. That's why I think she doesn't want to name names...
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

She laid it on about the male dominated senate as treating her "different". I almost feel sorry for the men. They are walking on eggshells to parch their words to be politically correct. The New York Times has written about Warren's friendship with Hillibrand. If I were a male senator I would go out of my way to avoid women who claim war on women when in fact they refuse to acknowledge that they have a war on men.

OK, let's do this one more time. Here's the entire exchange. Where did she "lay it on" etc.? And notice she was asked a direct question - the reporter introduced this topic.

Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
Warren: Yes.
Q: Can you elaborate?
W: Nope?
Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
W: I've said all I'm going to say.
Q: Surprising to you?
W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I just think that's powerfully important.
Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...

It's weird - no one criticizing Warren actually quotes her...

But after reading your comments claiming that Tennessee treats women poorly which is a bunch of bloviating BS. Tennessee is just 2 1/2 hours from my state border by car. In this region of the country what you claim is just not true. There is always going to be the occasional instance but to make such a broad claim as you did is preposterous but it is certainly in line with what the Warren's and the Hillibrand's do. :lol:

If you want to quote me and dispute an actual claim I did make, be my guest, but you don't get to create your own straw men like this whole thread has done with Warren's "claims" and then proceed to beat them into pulp. What I said was based on my experiences in the workplace in Tennessee, and many experiences of my wife, who's not a wilting flower. The large majority of Tennessee men treat women with the professional respect they are owed, no more no less. It's not an isolated case to find men who do not. It's getting better. That's different than the problem has disappeared.
 
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It's almost as if she's trying to create a new card.... there's the race card and we know what that is. Now we have the "sex card", so criticisms levied at Warren will now be viewed as ..."Hmm... is that guy one of the 'good old boys' she was talking about? Another wedge issue to deflect criticisms of her and turn the tables because she's a woman. That's why I think she doesn't want to name names...

Can you tell me which words said by Warren indicate she's creating a 'new card?' Please be specific. Did she mention 'Good Old Boys?' I missed it. For your convenience, here's the exchange:

Question: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
Warren: Yes.
Q: Can you elaborate?
W: Nope?
Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
W: I've said all I'm going to say.
Q: Surprising to you?
W: I wish it was, but it's hard to change these big, male dominated institutions. What I am very happy about is there are now enough women in the U.S. Senate to begin to change that place, and I just think that's powerfully important.
Q: But if a US Senator is treated differently than her colleagues?
W:...if you don't have a seat at the table, you're probably on the menu... So it's important that we have women in the United States Senate, strong women, and women who are there to help advance an agenda important to women...
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Warren is laying the groundwork for a generic "War on Women" presidential campaign while trying hard to not piss off her fellow senators.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Can you tell me which words said by Warren indicate she's creating a 'new card?' Please be specific. Did she mention 'Good Old Boys?' I missed it. For your convenience, here's the exchange:

uestion: Have you had any similar experiences, of being treated differently because you're a woman by your colleagues in the Senate?
Warren: Yes.
Q: Can you elaborate?
W: Nope?
Q: I'm not asking you to name names...
W: I've said all I'm going to say.

See it? It's right there.. read what I quoted over and over and over. See it yet?
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

See it? It's right there.. read what I quoted over and over and over. See it yet?

Actually I don't see it. Where's the card she's playing? The reporter was trolling for a controversy to get eyeballs and clicks on this interview, posed a vague question - treated 'differently' - Warren answered a direct question with the shortest possible answer, the reporter tried to lure her into saying more, and Warren deflected that attempt. I'm not clear what you think she should have said.

Look, if she'd named any name or event not on videotape in HD, the same right wingers whining about her on this thread would be blowing a gasket about her unsubstantiated specific claims. We all know that's true.
 
Re: Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say

Warren is laying the groundwork for a generic "War on Women" presidential campaign while trying hard to not piss off her fellow senators.

Another critic failing to quote what Warren actually said in response to a direct question by a reporter... LMAO.
 
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