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Elizabeth Warren says she's been treated differently in the Senate but won't say how

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tres borrachos said:
And you'd be right about that. And apparently I'm not alone. MSNBC must not like her either. They said the same things about this issue as I did. Maybe MSNBC is turning far right.
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Sure, but the reaction to this "story" is nonsense, and judging her for some unflattering pic that someone snapped of her is silly. All this and the stupid Native American thing is manna for those who would eat their young before voting for her, but outside of that bloc it's all noise to everyone else. If there was a legitimate criticism of her policies in this thread it was the proverbial needle in the haystack.
 
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JasperL said:
Actually I don't see it. Where's the card she's playing? The reporter was trolling for a controversy to get eyeballs and clicks on this interview, posed a vague question - treated 'differently' - Warren answered a direct question with the shortest possible answer, the reporter tried to lure her into saying more, and Warren deflected that attempt. I'm not clear what you think she should have said.

Look, if she'd named any name or event not on videotape in HD, the same right wingers whining about her on this thread would be blowing a gasket about her unsubstantiated specific claims. We all know that's true.
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I'm sorry you can't see or understand my point. There's always hope that in the future you will.
 
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VanceMack said:
Thats like saying Tawana Brawley did women a great service about lying about being assaulted because somewhere out there, women are being assaulted.

Anita Hill followed the man around to different jobs and sent him cards, gifts, and called him over the next 10 years. She parlayed her allegations into teaching gigs and speaking engagements. The allegations she made against him were lame at best. But she was a 'hero' for the cause. So was Sandra Fluke.
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I wasn't vouching for accuracy of Hills accusation. I was pointing out how sexual harassment in the workplace came out of the shadows due to her arrival on the scene. Good things actually came out of the Anita Hill fiasco whether she was honest in her charges or not. Tawana Brawley was proven to have been lying. That isn't true for Anita Hill
 
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JasperL said:
OK, doesn't rise above, "Huh, that's interesting, whats on TV?" for me, but whatever floats your boat I guess.
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Leftists are more prepared to accept lies from politicians than normal people.
 
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Grant said:
Leftists are more prepared to accept lies from politicians than normal people.
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LMAO... I think it's fairer to say that "leftists" recognize lies fall on some very, very long continuum, from those that are helpful, harmless, serious in rare cases and on the other end very harmful, poisonous to society, and/or reflecting something fundamentally dishonest or corrupt about the person making a false claim.

"Lying" about being part Cherokee falls on the "harmless" end of the scale in my humble opinion. There isn't a person, certainly not a politician, who hasn't 'lied' more times that he or she can count about something. Someone will have to point out to me why I should care about this claim of Warren's of her part Cherokee heritage. I've made similar claims 100 times over the years with no more than what my mother has told me as evidence. If that turns out to be false, does that really reflect on my character?
 
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JasperL said:
Another critic failing to quote what Warren actually said in response to a direct question by a reporter... LMAO.
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I watched the video. Is there some sort of rule or regulation that says I am supposed to quote her? Did you? She implied she was treated unfairly and then flatly refused to go any further. Thats chicken **** behavior. If it is enough of a problem to address it then address it. If you are unwilling to address it, then maybe you are the problem.
 
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Fletch said:
I wasn't vouching for accuracy of Hills accusation. I was pointing out how sexual harassment in the workplace came out of the shadows due to her arrival on the scene. Good things actually came out of the Anita Hill fiasco whether she was honest in her charges or not. Tawana Brawley was proven to have been lying. That isn't true for Anita Hill
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Had then confirmation chairman Senator Biden actually offered the items available during a hearing, they would have been. Both sides were pretty upset with his handling of the situation.
 
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VanceMack said:
I watched the video. Is there some sort of rule or regulation that says I am supposed to quote her? Did you? She implied she was treated unfairly and then flatly refused to go any further. Thats chicken **** behavior. If it is enough of a problem to address it then address it. If you are unwilling to address it, then maybe you are the problem.
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Yes, I've quoted her a half dozen times, the entire exchange. The point is didn't 'imply' anything. She was asked a direct question - treated DIFFERENTLY because you're a woman? - to which she replied "Yes." Care to elaborate? "Nope."

What do you expect?
 
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JasperL said:
Yes, I've quoted her a half dozen times, the entire exchange. The point is didn't 'imply' anything. She was asked a direct question - treated DIFFERENTLY because you're a woman? - to which she replied "Yes." Care to elaborate? "Nope."

What do you expect?
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I expect her to kick a little ass and change things. Or whine about it like a little bitch. Whatever. Maybe she is just used to the Kennedy way in the Senate.
 
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JasperL said:
Yes, I've quoted her a half dozen times, the entire exchange. The point is didn't 'imply' anything. She was asked a direct question - treated DIFFERENTLY because you're a woman? - to which she replied "Yes." Care to elaborate? "Nope."

What do you expect?
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Look, it is patently obvious that there are only two things that can be drawn from this:

1) She is making it up out of thin air because she thought it might help her politically

2) It is true but the poor treatment was by Democrats so she doesn't want to blow the whistle (aka. "Pulling a Gillibrand")
 
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jmotivator said:
Look, it is patently obvious that there are only two things that can be drawn from this:

1) She is making it up out of thin air because she thought it might help her politically

2) It is true but the poor treatment was by Democrats so she doesn't want to blow the whistle (aka. "Pulling a Gillibrand")
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Hilarious. She answered a direct question. And what is "it" that she's making up? That been treated differently by at least one Senator because she's a woman? :doh

Got to love the projection at work too. There are 1,000 good reasons not to name names, times, places of this "different" treatment, especially unless it's on HD video. But partisans hate her so she can't win, which is understandable.

I see Tres liked this, but she's yet to come up with an option other than 1) lie (giving Warren some benefit of the doubt that at least ONE Senator treated her differently at some point in the past few years because she's a woman) or 2) full scorched earth, naming names, times, places, details.

BTW, this might be a record length for a thread about what someone said in an interview with (AFAIK) not ONE critic of what this person said on camera actually quoting words she actually said. :confused:
 
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JasperL said:
Hilarious. She answered a direct question. And what is "it" that she's making up? That been treated differently by at least one Senator because she's a woman? :doh

Got to love the projection at work too. There are 1,000 good reasons not to name names, times, places of this "different" treatment, especially unless it's on HD video. But partisans hate her so she can't win, which is understandable.

I see Tres liked this, but she's yet to come up with an option other than 1) lie (giving Warren some benefit of the doubt that at least ONE Senator treated her differently at some point in the past few years because she's a woman) or 2) full scorched earth, naming names, times, places, details.

BTW, this might be a record length for a thread about what someone said in an interview with (AFAIK) not ONE critic of what this person said on camera actually quoting words she actually said. :confused:
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She would have made up that she was treated differently. She didn't elaborate because she would run the risk of libel if it was found that her answer and details were knowingly wrong. OR she was treated differently and it was by her fellow Democrats (aka. "Pulling a Gillibrand") so she would have been hurting her party while she is still climbing the ladder.

If she was treated poorly by Republicans then she would have been flowing with details.
 
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JasperL said:
LMAO... I think it's fairer to say that "leftists" recognize lies fall on some very, very long continuum, from those that are helpful, harmless, serious in rare cases and on the other end very harmful, poisonous to society, and/or reflecting something fundamentally dishonest or corrupt about the person making a false claim.

"Lying" about being part Cherokee falls on the "harmless" end of the scale in my humble opinion. There isn't a person, certainly not a politician, who hasn't 'lied' more times that he or she can count about something. Someone will have to point out to me why I should care about this claim of Warren's of her part Cherokee heritage. I've made similar claims 100 times over the years with no more than what my mother has told me as evidence. If that turns out to be false, does that really reflect on my character?
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As the Clintons and Obamas understand very well, their supporters are prepared to accept all lies, with the size of them not of any consequence whatsoever.
 
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tres borrachos said:
This is a "left-right" issue? Interesting. Looks to everyone else like a male-female issue. Even Senators Warren & Gillibrand didn't make it a "left-right" issue.

By the way, are women in this country supposed to just bob their heads and agree with everything other women say? Do you think every woman should agree with, oh let's say, Michelle Bachmann when she says abortion should be illegal, simply because she's a woman, and they're all women?
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Of course I don't expect all women to agree and all that nonsense. But if you are going to criticize her perhaps you should quote her and address what she said. Every criticism thus far has been a total fabrication about what they think might have happened. Nothing about the minute tiny bit she actually said.

And of course its a left right issue. She's a strong lefty, all right wingers in here are criticizing her without even addressing the actual quote, then digging up false fox news talking points from a couple years ago when she ran for office to further explain why they hate her not to mention that these right wingers would be the first to embrace Sarah Palin crying about how she is being attacked by any and everything every single time she plays the victim card. Its been a right vs left thread from its obvious first page.
 
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jmotivator said:
1)She would have made up that she was treated differently. She didn't elaborate because she would run the risk of libel if it was found that her answer and details were knowingly wrong. 2) OR she was treated differently and it was by her fellow Democrats (aka. "Pulling a Gillibrand") so she would have been hurting her party while she is still climbing the ladder.

If she was treated poorly by Republicans then she would have been flowing with details.
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Yep, those are the only two possibilities.... :doh

I'm trying to figure out if you all are having a hard time believing the 'treated differently' claim (that seems impossible), or if the proof goes like this: In political arena, (1) Claim + Liberal = Lie. With the additional mathematical identity, (2) Bad Behavior = Democrat. QED.
 
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poweRob said:
Of course I don't expect all women to agree and all that nonsense. But if you are going to criticize her perhaps you should quote her and address what she said. Every criticism thus far has been a total fabrication about what they think might have happened. Nothing about the minute tiny bit she actually said.
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Pavlov could use this as an example of his theory. Seeing the name "Elizabeth Warren" is the bell, and they react like a pack of rabid dogs even though there's NOTHING THERE...
 
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JasperL said:
Pavlov could use this as an example of his theory. Seeing the name "Elizabeth Warren" is the bell, and they react like a pack of rabid dogs even though there's NOTHING THERE...
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She's an absolute hack and a hypocrite.

Its important to call out trash like her early before she fools even more people with her hackish narratives.
 
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poweRob said:
Of course I don't expect all women to agree and all that nonsense. But if you are going to criticize her perhaps you should quote her and address what she said. Every criticism thus far has been a total fabrication about what they think might have happened. Nothing about the minute tiny bit she actually said.

And of course its a left right issue. She's a strong lefty, all right wingers in here are criticizing her without even addressing the actual quote, then digging up false fox news talking points from a couple years ago when she ran for office to further explain why they hate her not to mention that these right wingers would be the first to embrace Sarah Palin crying about how she is being attacked by any and everything every single time she plays the victim card. Its been a right vs left thread from its obvious first page.
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Blame Yahoo. I quoted their story.

You can also download CNN, and Wapo, and Salon, and any number of the other outlets that ran the same story...

No, it's a male-female issue, unless you don't know what this thread is about? She never said she was treated differently because she was a Democrat. Did she? Did Gillibrand say that? No they did not. So it's only a left-right issue because, well to be honest, the posters on this board on the left ran to her defense, while the ones on the right didn't run to her defense.

She needs to put up names or more details if she expects any thinking person to believe her. It sounds like she's whining. She promotes the idea that Republicans are sexist while at the same time claiming that she is a victim of sexism in Congress, but when pressed for names or details, she won't give them. Either she's lying and this is a political ploy, or the sexists are people she wants to protect - and somehow I doubt any Republicans are on that list.

But be partisan and believe her. I don't accept a politician's word as the gospel. Most people don't either.
 
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JasperL said:
Yep, those are the only two possibilities.... :doh

I'm trying to figure out if you all are having a hard time believing the 'treated differently' claim (that seems impossible), or if the proof goes like this: In political arena, (1) Claim + Liberal = Lie. With the additional mathematical identity, (2) Bad Behavior = Democrat. QED.
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Wouldn't you think a vocal person like Senator Warren would want to expose the sexists in Congress?
 
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VanceMack said:
Warren is laying the groundwork for a generic "War on Women" presidential campaign while trying hard to not piss off her fellow senators.
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Yeah, that is as clear as day. There are never enough victims for the left, especially for someone like Warren, who really preys on the victim type. They are essential for jerks like her. Here, let me fight for you! (and, let's ignore the real problems the left has caused). It never hurts to try and create more victims.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Wouldn't you think a vocal person like Senator Warren would want to expose the sexists in Congress?
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Actually, unless there is HD video of each incident (and perhaps even WITH such video) I can't imagine why anyone would make public accusations of anything other than physical abuse, or extreme verbal abuse with many eye witnesses. There are many, major, serious reasons NOT to and very few if any advantages in doing so unless the activity is legally actionable.

I've said it before - unless you are burning bridges on your way out the door, women let the kind of 'sexism' recounted by Gillibrand (if that's what we assume happened) roll off their backs. I'd be happy to discuss that in more detail, but it's clear this is a "Bash Warren!" thread, so there's no point.
 
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tres borrachos said:
She needs to put up names or more details if she expects any thinking person to believe her. It sounds like she's whining.
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So, when asked a direct yes or no question, she answered with the shortest possible answer - "Yes." Care to elaborate? "Nope." That's "whining?" What is an example of not-whining?

I'm still unclear what you think her third option was: 1) lie, 2) full metal scorched earth, or 3)_________________.

She promotes the idea that Republicans are sexist while at the same time claiming that she is a victim of sexism in Congress, but when pressed for names or details, she won't give them. Either she's lying and this is a political ploy, or the sexists are people she wants to protect - and somehow I doubt any Republicans are on that list.

But be partisan and believe her. I don't accept a politician's word as the gospel. Most people don't either.
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I'll keep this short. She said, yes, she was treated differently. That =/= "I am a VICTIM"

And I just love these things in the same post: "she's lying" OR "the sexists are people she wants to protect" and "doubt any republicans are on that list" and more paired with "BUT BE A PARTISAN AND BELIEVE HER." :shock:

What we're asked to believe is one or more members of the Senate at some point in time treated her differently, presumably sexism, minor or major, since she was elected. I can't think of an adult person not blinded by partisan hatred of Warren who would find that claim any harder to believe than saying, "John Boehner likes to drink alcohol." It's why this whole thread is so fascinating.
 
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JasperL said:
I suppose, but what's "the real thing." She didn't say yes to a question, "Have you been sexually harassed" so no reason or support for that kind of leap.
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What's kind of funny is clearly Warren didn't want to make a big deal out of this - hence, after the topic was introduced in the form of a direct question, the "Yes" "Nope" "I said all I'm going to say" responses followed by a longer one that is politician-side-step of the issue.

I've been thinking hard about this, and I've finally concluded after much deliberation that whole thing is a thin excuse to bash a prominent and apparently not liked liberal. :roll:

Also, too, I'm sure CNN and the reporter are pleased. Bunch of people clicking on a non-story is a "news" organization WIN!
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Let me try it this way.
"the real thing" is actual sexual harassment.
As you've seen, "the feigned thing" would be holding a door open or, frankly, any criticism of her.
Since she won't say, Warren could have meant something like either one or she could be fos entirely.
Either way it works as a play to both the anger of the feministas or to the empathy of women in general.
Since she never divulged any supporting information we'll never know.
 
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JasperL said:
Actually, unless there is HD video of each incident (and perhaps even WITH such video) I can't imagine why anyone would make public accusations of anything other than physical abuse, or extreme verbal abuse with many eye witnesses. There are many, major, serious reasons NOT to and very few if any advantages in doing so unless the activity is legally actionable.

I've said it before - unless you are burning bridges on your way out the door, women let the kind of 'sexism' recounted by Gillibrand (if that's what we assume happened) roll off their backs. I'd be happy to discuss that in more detail, but it's clear this is a "Bash Warren!" thread, so there's no point.
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Okay, I got you now. In your opinion, sexism is prevalent among the politicians in DC but we need to just ignore it because boys will be boys. It's okay that neither female Senator wants to give details. Let's all just look the other way but cheer those sexist men on when they tell women that they don't need to put up with sexism while they're out pandering for votes. Thanks for your input.
 
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tres borrachos said:
Okay, I got you now. In your opinion, sexism is prevalent among the politicians in DC but we need to just ignore it because boys will be boys. It's okay that neither female Senator wants to give details. Let's all just look the other way but cheer those sexist men on when they tell women that they don't need to put up with sexism while they're out pandering for votes. Thanks for your input.
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Where did I say "prevalent?" I don't know one way or the other. And it's difficult for women to walk the tightrope at work when confronted with sexism, and there are many possible responses to it. Ignore minor cases, address some cases with the person, address some with management, if it gets into sexual harassment, file formal complaints, file charges, lawsuits, quit, etc. There is no one right way, it will depend on all kinds of factors from the details of the incident, whether it can be proved, etc.

If I thought you had ANY interest in a rational conversation I'd do so, but when you presume that Warren's ONLY options are to 1) Lie, or 2) to retain her integrity, go full on scorched earth with public accusations against individual Senators, you obviously just want to bash Warren. It's an insane expectation of her, or any other woman dealing with sexism at work.
 
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