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Grant said:
Members of ISIS who have spoken out, and they have their Clerics, seem to know their religion quite well.

It's been the habit of liberals to claim that Islamists don't understand Islam but that has never been demonstrated. Perhaps Islam is just a ridiculous medieval religion, with no place in the modern world, taught to the otherwise uneducated, and has survived mainly through threats, coercion and violence. It's time to get real. Authentic Muslim Moderate Cleric: ISIS Is Following Established Islamic Jurisprudence

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Religion is basically just projection anyway, a method of dealing with subconscious angst in a way that is soothing, and fits in with cultural narrative. As such, it various considerably with its user. Mr and Ms middle class America have a god that that has inherited Enlightenment principles, and also absorbed some of the social values and scientific beliefs of recent decades. Your southern fundamentalist buba has a similar deity, although one that is a bit simpler and comic book like, and occasionally prone to violence. Muslims who join the western middle class often find (perhaps to their surprise) that Allah has now absorbed some liberal beliefs. Those that have a problem with women have a misogynist god, and the truly dysfunctional have one that orders executions, and turns people into pillars of salt, and so forth. It is kind of like one stop shopping. Everyone gets what they need (or think they need).

I don't get worked up about Islam. There are those that cannot bear the cold light of science, and seek shelter. And this is understandable. But god is just an excuse. People do what they want, and then attribute it to someone, or something else, if they cannot also stand to look at themselves in the mirror.
 
APACHERAT said:
The internet is responsible for the large increase of nut jobs all over the world.

Earlier this year I saw an interview of two old geasers who use to work for DARPA who were responsible for creating the internet. One said in hindsight, the U.S. military should have kept the internet classified. It should have never been released to the public. You are aware that the internet was created for the U.S. Air Force ?
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Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave:

Thank God for the internet! Without having the entire world at our beck and call to debate with, we'd be arguing with our family and our neighbors on a daily basis - just to relieve stress! :mrgreen:
 
polgara said:
Greetings, APACHERAT. :2wave:

Thank God for the internet! Without having the entire world at our beck and call to debate with, we'd be arguing with our family and our neighbors on a daily basis - just to relieve stress! :mrgreen:
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Remember when you could actualy carry on a verbal conversation with someone ? Have you tried to have a verbal conversation with a teen ager or young adult lately ? They rather text you from six feet away. :lamo

You have kids graduating from high school today who don't even know cursive writing, basically they can't write a paragraph using a pen and paper. :eek:

What's even worst, some thought that society would become more informed with the internet and what happened, society is now more misinformed. If it's on the internet, it must be true.

Do you think a community organizer would be sitting in the White House today if there was no internet ?
 
APACHERAT said:
Remember when you could actualy carry on a verbal conversation with someone ? Have you tried to have a verbal conversation with a teen ager or young adult lately ? They rather text you from six feet away. :lamo

You have kids graduating from high school today who don't even know cursive writing, basically they can't write a paragraph using a pen and paper. :eek:

What's even worst, some thought that society would become more informed with the internet and what happened, society is now more misinformed. If it's on the internet, it must be true.

Do you think a community organizer would be sitting in the White House today if there was no internet ?
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Have you noticed how seriously intent they get when they're texting? You'd almost think they were negotiating a treaty or something - the concentration is amazing, and that's just to say "I'm cool, how ya doin'! :mrgreen:
 
polgara said:
Have you noticed how seriously intent they get when they're texting? You'd almost think they were negotiating a treaty or something - the concentration is amazing, and that's just to say "I'm cool, how ya doin'! :mrgreen:
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I'm hanging in there.

Just having more fun than Obama is having on the golf course watching the left go all loony as we get closer to the mid-term elections.
 
Ganesh said:
I don't get worked up about Islam.
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The fact that you don't get worked up about Islam is beside the point. What we have to deal with is Muslims who get worked up about Islam, and all that entails.
 
APACHERAT said:
Remember when you could actualy carry on a verbal conversation with someone ? Have you tried to have a verbal conversation with a teen ager or young adult lately ? They rather text you from six feet away. :lamo

You have kids graduating from high school today who don't even know cursive writing, basically they can't write a paragraph using a pen and paper. :eek:

What's even worst, some thought that society would become more informed with the internet and what happened, society is now more misinformed. If it's on the internet, it must be true.

Do you think a community organizer would be sitting in the White House today if there was no internet ?
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Is their such a thing as 'Penmanship" anymore?
 
Grant said:
Is their such a thing as 'Penmanship" anymore?
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Don't see it that much today.

But it's even worse, there are young people and young adults in America today who can't even read "cursive" aka long hand writing.

There were millions of us who were surprised during the Zimmerman trial when Trayvon Martin's girlfriend was on the witness stand and said she couldn't read or write cursive. She's able to read words that are in type text but not in long hand. Then we find out there are school districts in America today who no longer are teaching students penmanship or even how to read it.

Not good, it's the dumbing down of America.
 
APACHERAT said:
The internet is responsible for the large increase of nut jobs all over the world.

Earlier this year I saw an interview of two old geasers who use to work for DARPA who were responsible for creating the internet. One said in hindsight, the U.S. military should have kept the internet classified. It should have never been released to the public. You are aware that the internet was created for the U.S. Air Force ?
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The point is refusing to allow immigration will not stop these kinds of things from happening.
 
I saw the vid of the dirt bag getting out of his car and running with a rifle, not one armed citizen to stop him. Everyone ran like scared rats.
 
CRUE CAB said:
I saw the vid of the dirt bag getting out of his car and running with a rifle, not one armed citizen to stop him. Everyone ran like scared rats.
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And if we had more lax laws, I am sure the gunman would have used a semi instead of a ****ty rifle and killed more people.
 
Middleground said:
And if we had more lax laws, I am sure the gunman would have used a semi instead of a ****ty rifle and killed more people.
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And you would be wrong.
States that implemented "shall-issue" concealed carry laws reduced murders by 8.5%, rapes by 5%, aggravated assaults by 7%, and robbery by 3%, according to a 2000 analysis of FBI crime data by economist and political commentator John R. Lott Jr., PhD. Lott calculated that 1,570 murders, 4,177 rapes, 60,000 aggravated assaults, and 12,000 robberies could have been prevented between 1977 and 1992 if concealed carry had been legal in every US state during that time period. [8] In addition, a 2013 peer-reviewed study in Applied Economic Letters, found that between 1980 and 2009, "states with more restrictive CCW [carrying concealed weapons] laws had gun-related murder rates that were 10% higher." [52] Detroit Chief of Police Larry Craig said permitted concealed weapons are "a deterrent," and "Good Americans with CPLs [concealed permit licenses] translates into crime reduction." [64] A 2013 survey of 15,000 current and retired police officers found that 91.3% support the concealed carry of guns by civilians. [80]
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Carrying a concealed handgun could help stop a public shooting spree. After the Apr. 20, 1999 Columbine High School massacre, the state of Colorado enacted the 2003 Concealed Carry Act to allow law-abiding citizens the right to carry a concealed weapon. The CATO Institute concluded that this law helped to stop a massacre at the New Life megachurch in Dec. 2007 when a volunteer security guard for the church who was carrying a concealed handgun shot an attacker who had opened fire in the church. [61] According to John R. Lott Jr., PhD, "when states passed concealed carry laws during the 19 years we studied (1977 to 1995), the number of multiple-victim public shootings declined by 84%. Deaths from these shootings plummeted on average by 90%, injuries by 82%." [62]
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Concealed Guns ProCon.org
 
Middleground said:
And if we had more lax laws, I am sure the gunman would have used a semi instead of a ****ty rifle and killed more people.
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So you are ok with unarmed people (unarmed victims), being gunned down as long as its with a old rifle.
 
Grant said:
The fact that you don't get worked up about Islam is beside the point. What we have to deal with is Muslims who get worked up about Islam, and all that entails.
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How about those Christians? Christians have committed far more murders in Canada than Muslims have. Maybe we could deport them all..........

There have always been "causes" that have drawn young men with unresolved personal issues, because they helped to cover them up, or perhaps gave them an outlet to act out their dysfunction. Throw in a few political agitators who see some sort of gain, a few more immature followers who don't really understand the full ramifications of what they are doing, and voila, you have ISIS.....or before that the FLQ, the IRA, or the Red Brigades, or the Shinning Path, or any number of other organizations that ended up being magnets for the stupid, the violent, and the troubled.

It's not about Muslims per se, but about the masses of young men disconnected from the world due to ignorance and dysfunction, and trying to find a target for their angst. Unfortunately conditions in the Middle East today provide for quite a supply.
 
Ganesh said:
How about those Christians? Christians have committed far more murders in Canada than Muslims have. Maybe we could deport them all..........

There have always been "causes" that have drawn young men with unresolved personal issues, because they helped to cover them up, or perhaps gave them an outlet to act out their dysfunction. Throw in a few political agitators who see some sort of gain, a few more immature followers who don't really understand the full ramifications of what they are doing, and voila, you have ISIS.....or before that the FLQ, the IRA, or the Red Brigades, or the Shinning Path, or any number of other organizations that ended up being magnets for the stupid, the violent, and the troubled.

It's not about Muslims per se, but about the masses of young men disconnected from the world due to ignorance and dysfunction, and trying to find a target for their angst. Unfortunately conditions in the Middle East today provide for quite a supply.
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Did they do it in the name of Christianity?
 
Ganesh said:
How about those Christians? Christians have committed far more murders in Canada than Muslims have. Maybe we could deport them all..........
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You find Christian terrorism to be a problem?
It's not about Muslims per se, but about the masses of young men disconnected from the world due to ignorance and dysfunction, and trying to find a target for their angst. Unfortunately conditions in the Middle East today provide for quite a supply.
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Actually it is about Muslims per se, and screw those young men. There is no need to import more. As soon as they get their act together then more can be accepted but Canada does not have to prove anything regarding immigration, and there are plenty of people around the world who would love to come to Canada without bringing any Islamic baggage with them, or encouraging Islamic violence here..
 
Quag said:
The point is refusing to allow immigration will not stop these kinds of things from happening.
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It will make a huge statement to the world, perhaps a statement that those 'moderate' Muslims aren't making.
 
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