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AP-GfK Poll: Most expect GOP victory in November

Erod said:
OK, Mr. Alinsky. Whatever you say.

Now, if you can get blacks to vote like North Koreans again in two weeks, maybe you can save that Senate!
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Nothing in your post can be remotely interpreted as a coherent response. My name is Slyfox696, not Mr. Alinksky and I'm not running for office so I don't need anyone to vote like anyone.

I do notice, however, you don't even try to back up your obviously erroneous statement about the data being made up. I'll ask once more before assuming even you know how badly you're talking out of your ass and how foolish your comment sounded...what proof do you have that the data is made up?
 
Slyfox696 said:
Nothing in your post can be remotely interpreted as a coherent response. My name is Slyfox696, not Mr. Alinksky and I'm not running for office so I don't need anyone to vote like anyone.

I do notice, however, you don't even try to back up your obviously erroneous statement about the data being made up. I'll ask once more before assuming even you know how badly you're talking out of your ass and how foolish your comment sounded...what proof do you have that the data is made up?
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If your data is so golden, then why is this election looking so dreary for the Democrats? Shouldn't a landslide be looming?

I run a business. Actually, my partners and I run a business. The climate is isn't good for anyone, unless you have dry capital, then it's a goldmine, and we've been quite fortunate. Obama has taken care of the "haves" so incredibly well. The stock market is a boon for folks that were wealthy enough to take advantage, but it doesn't translate to main street at all.

People have just quit. They're not looking. They're off the radar. Just like Obama likes them. Codependency is the lifeblood of liberalism.

As for your "data", it isn't relevant, nor accurate. The internet is filled with data to support whatever position or cause you want. 87.6 percent of it is made up on the spot.
 
Erod said:
If your data is so golden, then why is this election looking so dreary for the Democrats? Shouldn't a landslide be looming?
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What the hell do you think my point has been in this entire thread? Geez, pay attention, would you?

As for your "data", it isn't relevant, nor accurate.
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It is both relevant and accurate. The fact you refuse to show any evidence it is not accurate just proves even you don't believe the BS you're spewing.

The internet is filled with data to support whatever position or cause you want.
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Then please provide the evidence which shows the BLS is lying about the number of jobs created and the number of people working. Show the evidence where the CBO is lying about the deficits. Show your evidence that DADT wasn't repealed and DOMA is actually being defended by the current administration.

But you can't because you know your comments are nothing more than lies. Everything I said was 100% accurate. Which is why I simply do not understand the Democratic campaign strategy this year and which is why I think they are going to lose.

You say you run a business, but you cannot even remember what you're talking about, even though you're just making stuff up we both know isn't true. Just so you know, delusions and wishes are not valid arguments, no matter how often you try to pass them off as such.
 
Slyfox696 said:
What the hell do you think my point has been in this entire thread? Geez, pay attention, would you?

It is both relevant and accurate. The fact you refuse to show any evidence it is not accurate just proves even you don't believe the BS you're spewing.

Then please provide the evidence which shows the BLS is lying about the number of jobs created and the number of people working. Show the evidence where the CBO is lying about the deficits. Show your evidence that DADT wasn't repealed and DOMA is actually being defended by the current administration.

But you can't because you know your comments are nothing more than lies. Everything I said was 100% accurate. Which is why I simply do not understand the Democratic campaign strategy this year and which is why I think they are going to lose.

You say you run a business, but you cannot even remember what you're talking about, even though you're just making stuff up we both know isn't true. Just so you know, delusions and wishes are not valid arguments, no matter how often you try to pass them off as such.
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See, you operate from a position that the New York Times is an objective news source. You ignore the actions of the IRS and DoJ and consider them politically neutral. And you apply that same illogic to random numbers pulled from the arses of the Obama-friendly heads of the BLS and CBO.

That's called naivete, and I was cured of it long ago.
 
Slyfox696 said:
No, they are completely accurate.

No, they are based on the surveys which have been done by the government for years.

If you think it is made up, then it is on you to prove. So what proof do you have my facts are wrong?

I'll wait, but I know you have nothing.
I'm not cherry picking anything. I suggest you go back and actually read what I said in this thread. It will make more sense to you. Start with post #7.
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No need the liberals lie and deceive to justify their agenda
 
Erod said:
See, you operate from a position that the New York Times is an objective news source. You ignore the actions of the IRS and DoJ and consider them politically neutral. And you apply that same illogic to random numbers pulled from the arses of the Obama-friendly heads of the BLS and CBO.

That's called naivete, and I was cured of it long ago.
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ptif219 said:
No need the liberals lie and deceive to justify their agenda
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Why are people so allergic to the truth? It's like you're scared to death you might learn something. It saddens me there are people out there who refuse any facts which doesn't perfectly align to what they want to believe, and that those people get a vote which counts as much as mine.

Instead of throwing around stupid rhetoric, try dealing in facts. It would be a welcome change. Seriously, you BOTH just claimed you weren't going to be bothered with any actual facts or truth, because they might interfere with what you want to believe. Hell, ptif doesn't even bother to find out what the hell he's talking about, but he'll be damned if he'll ever admit he isn't 100% correct (which you are completely wrong, by the way). Don't you ever become ashamed of such antics?
 
Thankfully both of my Senators have a while before they can be voted on. I like my Republican Senator and the Democratic Senator. Both are moderates for their Party. Now if we could only ouste our Tea Partier in the House and put in an establishment guy in there.

For this, I would say Democrats should watch out. It could be 2009 in reverse by 2017. It's going to be statistically difficult for the same Party to be granted 3 terms by way of two Presidents.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Why are people so allergic to the truth? It's like you're scared to death you might learn something. It saddens me there are people out there who refuse any facts which doesn't perfectly align to what they want to believe, and that those people get a vote which counts as much as mine.

Instead of throwing around stupid rhetoric, try dealing in facts. It would be a welcome change. Seriously, you BOTH just claimed you weren't going to be bothered with any actual facts or truth, because they might interfere with what you want to believe. Hell, ptif doesn't even bother to find out what the hell he's talking about, but he'll be damned if he'll ever admit he isn't 100% correct (which you are completely wrong, by the way). Don't you ever become ashamed of such antics?
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Your liberal links in post#38 are partisan and full of lies as i proved on the NYT article on unemployment. It is you that does not like facts when you use these democrat run liberal sources
 
ptif219 said:
Your liberal links in post#38 are partisan and full of lies as i proved on the NYT article on unemployment. It is you that does not like facts when you use these democrat run liberal sources
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God, you just don't get it, do you? What's more, you don't want to get it.

First of all, they are not lies. They are truth. The data is directly from the BLS. I'm sorry if the truth sucks for you because you're nothing more than a cheerleader for the Republican Party, but it is still the truth. Second of all, because they are the truth, my point all along (Which you have been too damn lazy to uncover for yourself) is I don't understand why the Democrats have not been touting those successes in their campaigning. My original comment (which, again, you were too damn lazy to figure out) was that, much like Republicans in 2012, I do not understand the campaign strategy of the Democrats and they deserve to lose for running from the good things that have happened over the last 6 years.

Look, I understand you don't like the truth. I get partisan hacks never care for the truth which contradicts them. But just because you want to play make believe, it doesn't change the fact everything I said is the truth and you posting a DIFFERENT statistic from anything I said does not disprove anything I said.
 
American said:
I'd like to see that bastard frog-marched all the way to Levenworth with ten life sentences to be serve consecutively.
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On what grounds? "Being a lousy Senator" is not a crime.
 
Erod said:
OK, Mr. Alinsky. Whatever you say.

Now, if you can get blacks to vote like North Koreans again in two weeks, maybe you can save that Senate!
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Alinsky! Everybody drink!
 
Kobie said:
On what grounds? "Being a lousy Senator" is not a crime.
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If it were, the prisons would be full...well, more full than they already are.
 
Slyfox696 said:
Why are people so allergic to the truth? It's like you're scared to death you might learn something. It saddens me there are people out there who refuse any facts which doesn't perfectly align to what they want to believe, and that those people get a vote which counts as much as mine.

Instead of throwing around stupid rhetoric, try dealing in facts. It would be a welcome change. Seriously, you BOTH just claimed you weren't going to be bothered with any actual facts or truth, because they might interfere with what you want to believe. Hell, ptif doesn't even bother to find out what the hell he's talking about, but he'll be damned if he'll ever admit he isn't 100% correct (which you are completely wrong, by the way). Don't you ever become ashamed of such antics?
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No, what's far more disturbing is that you won't look out your window at what's REALLY happening, and instead will latch on to whatever chum is thrown before you. These economic numbers, while fantastic for a small few, are grotesquely misleading and likely made up. Watching a work force that is shrinking by the month and littered with people downgrading to positions not worthy of their experience and know-how isn't progress. McDonalds hiring a new night crew from former mid-management office staff is not the goal here.

You read what is cited to you as fact, and you accept it as fact. Open your eyes and look around at the storm that surrounds you.

Black unemployment is at an all-time high. There is nothing worthy waiting for college graduates. People are being forced into retirement before they're wanting it.

The result is that only 47 percent of the American population is working, much of which doesn't pay diddly in federal taxes. The strain and burden of that scrawny workforce to support and finance a nation of growing dependence and oversized government is unsustainable.

It is comical to me that liberals (which you are, don't kid yourself or us) cling to such meaningless concepts like the deficit, and in turn, ignore the reality of the national debt. That maybe somehow we're wasting less money than we were is both figuratively and literally bankrupt thought. It's an amazing trick how government has conned people into equating deficit with debt. It's almost criminal.

So stay atop your paper high horse. You are living in a cloud of denial or deceit, I'm not sure which.
 
Erod said:
No, what's far more disturbing is that you won't look out your window at what's REALLY happening
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This country is made up of over 300 million people and nearly 3.8 million square miles. Only an idiot would think what is happening in their small corner of the country can be equally applied to the rest of the country.

These economic numbers, while fantastic for a small few, are grotesquely misleading and likely made up.
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I hear you desire to have sexual relations with your dog.

Sure, I have no evidence to support that and cannot name you a single person who has given me evidence of it (hell, I don't even know if you own a dog), but it's what I believe anyways and thus it has to be true and, if you say you don't, it's obvious you are lying.

Do you see what a waste of time it is to claim something while have zero evidence to support it? Well, you may not, but most people will.

Watching a work force that is shrinking by the month
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Yes, DAMN my father for retiring after 30+ years of teaching and contributing to his retirement fund. And my mother? What a jackass for deciding to retire after 13 years of being superintendent, in addition to the 15 years she spent as teacher and principal. They clearly are nothing but welfare queens, who want the government to provide for them so the government doesn't have to count them as unemployed.

Since I'm sure the obviously sarcastic nature of my comment flew over your head, I'm pointing out that claiming a work force which is shrinking, while ignoring the reasons WHY it is shrinking (retirement of Baby Boomers being a major factor), is ridiculous.

I'm not even going to read the rest of your post, as I'm sure it is filled with the same ridiculous and baseless comments you've posted ad nauseum. All I'll say is that EVERY thing I said has gotten better has gotten better and the Democrats are being stupid in running from it. At the end of the day, there has been MUCH improvement since January 2009 and I think it's asinine the Democrats are not slam dunking it. And the Republicans have managed to do a much better job of not saboting themselves like they did in the 2012 election. Republicans have clearly done a better job for this election.
 
American said:
When you have a govt that's constant overreaching, all you can do is vote against something. :shrug:
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But don't you think that's a slippery slope? Voting against you're not getting what you want. It's like trying to reach a destination walking away from the old place, and not towards the new one.

jmotivator said:
I think it needs to be changed, sure. But you need a greater agreement to make the change happen. I think like everyone else that money in national politics has gotten way out of hand, but the solution to that is to take the power out of the Federal government. Power is the commodity that is being sold in Washington. The only way to reduce the money is to reduce the commodity. If the government is no longer in the business of picking winners and losers then nobody pay pay extra to ensure they are the winners.

I think the biggest move to taking power out of Washington is simplifying the tax code and eliminating loopholes. The greatest power the Federal Government yields is the power to levy, and not levy taxes. If you simplify the tax code so that every person and every business can expect the exact same treatment under the tax code then half of the lobbyists are out of a job.

Expecting them to vote this power away is a pipe dream however.

I think of all the political groups with the will to push such a measure the Libertarians come closest, but unfortunately I think the Libertarian party is better suited for a Parliamentary form of government which I do not favor.
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Once, a great agreement created this country. I believe, there's still a potential to make a change. Yes, I'm an optimist. ;)
At least, we can start a new party, push it forward, make it a real power, make it create all the changes you're talking about. Just like Lincoln did. ;)
 
Slyfox696 said:
God, you just don't get it, do you? What's more, you don't want to get it.

First of all, they are not lies. They are truth. The data is directly from the BLS. I'm sorry if the truth sucks for you because you're nothing more than a cheerleader for the Republican Party, but it is still the truth. Second of all, because they are the truth, my point all along (Which you have been too damn lazy to uncover for yourself) is I don't understand why the Democrats have not been touting those successes in their campaigning. My original comment (which, again, you were too damn lazy to figure out) was that, much like Republicans in 2012, I do not understand the campaign strategy of the Democrats and they deserve to lose for running from the good things that have happened over the last 6 years.

Look, I understand you don't like the truth. I get partisan hacks never care for the truth which contradicts them. But just because you want to play make believe, it doesn't change the fact everything I said is the truth and you posting a DIFFERENT statistic from anything I said does not disprove anything I said.
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The BLS says labor participation is at record breaking proportions

92,594,000: Americans Not in Labor Force Hits All-Time Record; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low | CNS News
 
Slyfox696 said:
Much as I did not understand the GOP's strategy in 2012, I do not understand the Democratic strategy now. Why they are not pounding the successes of the last 6 years (growing economy, more jobs, lower deficits, advancement of civil rights, etc.) is beyond me. It's like they are so terrified to run on their own record of successes.

They deserve to lose this election based on terrible campaigning.
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Yes, unfortunately, it has been (for a long while) and continues to be the Party of Wimps v. the Party of Fools. It doesn't give America much of a choice but to blindly run FROM one to another and back again. We never seem to run to something (a vision), we just run FROM. We have a real leadership void in this country. Our nations leaders are a sorry lot.
 
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pinqy said:
You do realize that Americans in the Labor Force is also at an all time high? There are more people. And Participation is lower because a lower percentage of the population wants to work: retirees, disabled, students, stay home spouses.
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Elections are all about perceptions. Truth, reality, need not apply. They are all lost in the heat of a political campaign that concentrates on lies, half truths, slogans, mud slinging, to destroy the truth and reality. The idea is to ingrain the perception that the other side is pure evil in the minds of the voters.
 
ptif219 said:
The BLS says labor participation is at record breaking proportions

92,594,000: Americans Not in Labor Force Hits All-Time Record; Participation Rate Matches 36-Year Low | CNS News
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Why do you keep talking about a statistic I never said anything about? Are you allergic to staying on point or is it just that you know everything I said was true so you're trying to ignore it in order to continue playing Republican cheerleader?

No, that's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know why you keep bringing up something I never said.
 
pinqy said:
You do realize that Americans in the Labor Force is also at an all time high? There are more people. And Participation is lower because a lower percentage of the population wants to work: retirees, disabled, students, stay home spouses.
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Nice opinion but that is your way of ignoring what i have shown
 
Slyfox696 said:
Why do you keep talking about a statistic I never said anything about? Are you allergic to staying on point or is it just that you know everything I said was true so you're trying to ignore it in order to continue playing Republican cheerleader?

No, that's not a rhetorical question, I genuinely want to know why you keep bringing up something I never said.
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It is not true if the reason for lower unemployment is people have stopped looking for work because there is no jobs
 
ptif219 said:
It is not true if the reason for lower unemployment is people have stopped looking for work because there is no jobs
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Yes, yes it is still true. More people are working now than in January 2009. Millions of jobs have been created in that time. People dropping out has nothing to do with the fact more people are working and millions of jobs have been created.

Furthermore, as I've already said, referencing a declining labor participation rate without investigating WHY the rate is declining is pointless. It's a well known fact a significant portion of those who are leaving the labor force are doing so due to retirement.

You could not be more wrong. I am 100% correct in everything I said.
 
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