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SC allows Texas to use New Voter ID Law

Deuce said:
Ok, so ID laws for guns don't help, but ID laws for fraudulent votes do?
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That is not logical since casting a vote "on the street" will not count. There is no alternative to the official polling places that matter. The idea of using an official ID that contains but one name/address combination works fairly well for FFL purchases as well as for polling places for the same reason. My point, that you seem determined to avoid, is that if requiring an official ID is deemed to be a "discriminatory burden" for one right then it should be deemed to be so for all rights.
 
nota bene said:
So you think that voter intimidation is okay?
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Black Man Standing is not "intimidation." What, do you think black people are inherently intimidating? Is open carry inherently intimidating?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
That is not logical since casting a vote "on the street" will not count. There is no alternative to the official polling places that matter. The idea of using an official ID that contains but one name/address combination works fairly well for FFL purchases as well as for polling places for the same reason. My point, that you seem determined to avoid, is that if requiring an official ID is deemed to be a "discriminatory burden" for one right then it should be deemed to be so for all rights.
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The vast majority of voter fraud occurs via absentee ballots. Not "on the street," but certainly not at the official polling place and none of these will be caught by voter ID laws.
 
Deuce said:
The vast majority of voter fraud occurs via absentee ballots. Not "on the street," but certainly not at the official polling place and none of these will be caught by voter ID laws.
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OK - then come up with a fix for that problem as well. The use of mail-in ballots is very much on the rise - probably because it is easier to cheat and vote multiple times that way.
 
Deuce said:
The vast majority of voter fraud occurs via absentee ballots. Not "on the street," but certainly not at the official polling place and none of these will be caught by voter ID laws.
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I suppose that means that apart from ID cards being issued there should be more checks made on absentee ballots in order to ensure as honest an election as possible. Everyone should have cconfidence in the process, and the 'nothing to see here' folks really aren't winning the debate.
 
ocean515 said:
What I don't get is, with Obamacare and centralized medical records, proper ID will be critical to insure a patient is being treated properly. Why are liberal/progressives ignoring that fact when claiming getting an ID for voting is impossible?
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It's pretty cool that you managed to invent TWO straw men in just two short sentences! Nice job!

"Proper ID" =/= Photo ID acceptable under Texas' voting laws. Can you show me anywhere in the rules for implementing centralized medical records that there is a requirement for every patient to produce a state or federally issued Photo ID with current address, that isn't a college ID or several other forms of photo ID with a persons name, photo and/or address, and without such ID, no records can be established, perhaps the person not treated? Of course not.

Also, who claimed that getting such an ID is "impossible?" No one. It's difficult, burdensome, especially as about 1/3 of Texas counties have NO outlets that issue the special voting IDs, would require some people without a drivers license find a way to travel in excess of 150 miles round trip, the underlying documents can be difficult and/or expensive to acquire, etc. But only in rarest cases is getting such an ID "impossible."
 
Grant said:
I suppose that means that apart from ID cards being issued there should be more checks made on absentee ballots in order to ensure as honest an election as possible. Everyone should have cconfidence in the process, and the 'nothing to see here' folks really aren't winning the debate.
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I think the point is, if nearly all "voter" fraud occurs through absentee ballots, and those are ignored, and almost NO "voter" fraud occurs through impersonation at the polls, anyone who believes that clean elections are the motivation of the new Photo ID rules is delusional.

The purpose is to drive down the voting by democratic leaning demographics. We're all adults, we can recognize the obvious.
 
JasperL said:
The purpose is to drive down the voting by democratic leaning demographics. We're all adults, we can recognize the obvious.
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How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
 
ttwtt78640 said:
OK - then come up with a fix for that problem as well. The use of mail-in ballots is very much on the rise - probably because it is easier to cheat and vote multiple times that way.
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Really. You think that's why mailing in ballots is popular.
 
Grant said:
How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
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Why do you think difficulty in getting an id requires a person to be stupid?
 
Grant said:
How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"?
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You already know the answer Grant.
That's why yer in denial.
Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or
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The Dems are dead and buried moronic nonsense from the bottom of Nixon's deck of cards.
B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
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And then you finish by calling Democrats stupid--
none of this moronic spew will change the current GOP SCOTUS that is fed up with 21st century high tech Jim Crow .
 
Deuce said:
Why do you think difficulty in getting an id requires a person to be stupid?
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You could be the Democratic poster boy for this anti ID campaign. Any living person who doesn't know how to get an id can have it explained. If that doesn't do the trick then perhaps it's just as well they stayed home in order that the best available people be elected, rather than relying on party loyalty.
 
NIMBY said:
You already know the answer Grant. That's why yer in denial.
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You feel a little uncomfortable in answering the question? Why not give it a go anyway.
The Dems are dead and buried moronic nonsense from the bottom of Nixon's deck of cards.
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Nixon? Why not get back on the topic?
And then you finish by calling Democrats stupid--none of this moronic spew will change the current GOP SCOTUS that is fed up with 21st century high tech Jim Crow .
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You've just proven my point for me.
 
Grant said:
You could be the Democratic poster boy for this anti ID campaign. Any living person who doesn't know how to get an id can have it explained. If that doesn't do the trick then perhaps it's just as well they stayed home in order that the best available people be elected, rather than relying on party loyalty.
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Why do you think it's about "not knowing how" to get an ID? Why the assumption of ignorance? Why not assume difficulty or lack of opportunity?
 
Deuce said:
Why do you think it's about "not knowing how" to get an ID? Why the assumption of ignorance? Why not assume difficulty or lack of opportunity?
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What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
 
NIMBY said:
none of this moronic spew will change the current GOP SCOTUS that is fed up with 21st century high tech Jim Crow .
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By the way, it's interesting you invoke Jim Crow laws in this debate. Are you saying that the Black vote Democrats have come to rely on in recent years would be in jeopardy should ID Laws be required? That would certainly appear to be the case.

ID for Hispanics would also present a similar problem.
 
Grant said:
What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
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Elderly poor have difficulty traveling. ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor. The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote. Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
 
Grant said:
How would voter ID effect "democratic leaning demographics"? Or you are saying A) much of their demographics are dead and buried or B) the democrat's demographic is a little too stupid to get the ID?
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A) Dead people voting democratic.... :lamo :2rofll: Seriously, you right wingers need to find different material. This one lost it's appeal for the non-crazy share of the population about the same time these new-fangled things called "computers" were invented and went into widespread use to track voter registrations, voting rolls, etc.

B) And where did anyone but a right winger claim that poor people are too "stupid" to get an ID. Sheesh. Ocean makes up the straw man about it being "impossible" for people to get ID, then you follow up with this one.

Read the district court's opinion. It goes through painful detail about why the rules will prove BURDENSOME, and costly, especially for the poor. If you disagree with any non-made up point, then we can discuss!
 
Deuce said:
Elderly poor have difficulty traveling. ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor. The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote. Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
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The voter ID in Texas is free at any DPS office, so you are wrong about the ID's costing money.
The working poor must have an ID to be working, so you can take them off the list.
On election day, there seems to be an unlimited supply of buses to take the elderly to the polls.

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/driverlicense/electionid.htm
If you do not have any of the following acceptable forms of ID, beginning June 26, 2013, you may apply for an Election Identification Certificate (EIC) at no charge.
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Grant said:
What sort of possible 'difficulty' could there be? What lack of opportunity?
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Sure, if you have no car and no driver's license, how difficult can it be to get to an ID office 75 miles away. Great point Grant. We can tell you've given it a lot of thought. :roll:
 
longview said:
The voter ID in Texas is free at any DPS office, so you are wrong about the ID's costing money.
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Right, because if you have to travel to get to the DPS office two counties away, that's free, and so are the underlying documents, taking time off work as an hourly worker costs nothing, etc.

The working poor must have an ID to be working, so you can take them off the list.
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False and can be debunked with five seconds of effort, which is more than apparently you've devoted to this issue. The funny thing is a picture Id from work doesn't qualify for voting, and neither do many of the forms of ID an employer might require, such as a SS card.

On election day, there seems to be an unlimited supply of buses to take the elderly to the polls.
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If true, and it would depend on the area - some might have many, most areas will have ZERO buses - what does this have to do with anything?
 
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Deuce said:
Elderly poor have difficulty traveling.
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You mean they are shut in the house all the time? No opportunity to go to Church or town? If so it really doesn't matter as they won't be able to show up voting day anyway.
ID's cost money, thus are a larger barrier to the poor.
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In fact several states are offering them for free. Perhaps friends or family may also help.
The working poor have less time available to go sit at the DMV, or to take extra trips to go vote.
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Then perhaps another way can be looked at. Why give up so quickly when everyone knows an honest voting system is essential to any well run democracy?
Apparently you are the sort of person who has never had to be concerned with where $20 bucks might come from.
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I'd certainly like to give that impression but, sadly, it's not true.
 
JasperL said:
A) Dead people voting democratic.... :lamo :2rofll: Seriously, you right wingers need to find different material. This one lost it's appeal for the non-crazy share of the population about the same time these new-fangled things called "computers" were invented and went into widespread use to track voter registrations, voting rolls, etc. B) And where did anyone but a right winger claim that poor people are too "stupid" to get an ID. Sheesh. Ocean makes up the straw man about it being "impossible" for people to get ID, then you follow up with this one.
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You failed to notice that was phrased in the form of a question.
Read the district court's opinion. It goes through painful detail about why the rules will prove BURDENSOME, and costly, especially for the poor. If you disagree with any non-made up point, then we can discuss!
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Rules are BURDENSOME, are they? The American people were once made of sterner stuff. As far as 'costly' did they mention what the cost would be?
 
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