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Police Officer in Ferguson Is Said to Recount a Struggle

Excon said:
:doh
The source was the police.
It was the Assistant (Police) Chief who took him to the hospital.
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Nah. The news reports whatever they want. Come on. You know this. They don't even try to confirm the stories.
 
stonewall50 said:
Nah. The news reports whatever they want. Come on. You know this. They don't even try to confirm the stories.
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:naughty
We know things are gotten wrong all the time. Which is usually confirmed at a later point in time. Not so here.
In this case, it was what the police stated.
 
JC_CT said:
It really adds a certain something to the discussion when you play criminologist, psychiatrist, attorney, otolaryngologist, and conspiracy theorist all in the same post.
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Said the one who believes incredible accounts. :doh
 
Excon said:
No Black Dog, we (as in, you and I) are not. We are talking about a false assertion made by you because you did not know the evidence.


And this latest comment by you just confirms your dishonestly in deflecting from being wrong in what you said and to what was actually being discussed.
First of all the basis of what was being discussed is irrelevant to your false statement.
Secondly, you don't even have that right.
In regards to your false assertion, what you now say is betrayed by your own word usage and what you provided in support of your assertion.
It shows that you were not speaking to the "initial" engagement by Officer Wilson. It also shows that you didn't even know there were two separate engagements. So stop trying to obfuscate the fact that you were wrong.

What you said was;
That story (about the robbery) never got around because it had absolutely nothing at all to do with his arrest or shooting, at all.
That is a false statement because the contact you spoke about was the second engagement of "arrest" (which specifically was what you were speaking about) and it had every thing to do with the robbery and his eventually being shot.
And even though you were corrected, you still clung to your false assertion by providing an incorrect report/headline.

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The Chief never said any such thing. He said the initial contact had nothing to do with the robbery or the shooting.
It was the subsequent contact which did. You know, after he disengaged and drove off, he became aware of them fitting the description of those who robbed the store, so he reversed his vehicle and reengaged Brown and Johnson.
This contact had everything to do with the robbery and lead to the shooting.

And even though it was pointed out to you what the Chief actually said, and that he never said what the report you provided indicated, you again falsely state that is what the Chief said. D'oh! :doh

No, we are not talking about why it was not reported right off, especially as it was. It is why folks like you have glommed on to the false report of what the Chief really didn't say. Because the Robbery was known and reported on.

So to what was originally being spoken about. Which you also got wrong, and were wrong in what you said.

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Said the partisan hack. :doh

As this is what was originally being spoken about in that exchange, you are wrong again. There is, and was no equivalency between the two.
"Thug" did not come into play until Brown's actions as a thug were known.
And his involvement in the robbery was known before the store video was released by the Police and before the riots/protests.
So you are just speaking nonsense, as usual.
Yeah, the knee jerking belongs to you as well as the rioters.
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Hey guess what...

I did not read this block of text and neither will most here. It is just the same old.

This is how little most of us care about your arguments, lol.
 
Black Dog said:
Hey guess what...

I did not read this block of text and neither will most here. It is just the same old.

This is how little most of us care about your arguments, lol.
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:lamo
Just more deflection from the person already shown, to lack knowledge of the evidence, as well as to be untruthful.
 
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Excon said:
:lamo
Just more deflection from the person already shown, to lack knowledge of the evidence, as well as to be untruthful.
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Your use of commas in lieu of information, reliable sources and common sense is almost as impressive as your comparable use of emoticons.

No Excon, you are wrong and the facts, say so. :doh :lamo

I remember now why I said I wouldn't engage you, shame on me. You bring nothing to the discussion but your own confirmation bias.
 
JC_CT said:
Your use of commas in lieu of information, reliable sources and common sense is almost as impressive as your comparable use of emoticons.

No Excon, you are wrong and the facts, say so. :doh :lamo

I remember now why I said I wouldn't engage you, shame on me. You bring nothing to the discussion but your own confirmation bias.
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:doh
Said the one who believes in incredible accounts.
No, the evidence doesn't show I am wrong.
It shows what you believed is nonsense, and yorr own bias wont allow you to see that.
 
Excon said:
:lamo
Just more deflection from the person already shown, to lack knowledge of the evidence, as well as to be untruthful.
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Coming from you I will take that as a compliment because pretty much everything you post is the opposite of right.
 
Black Dog said:
Coming from you I will take that as a compliment because pretty much everything you post is the opposite of right.
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:doh
I see you are speaking of yourself again. Figures.
Just more deflection from the person already shown, to lack knowledge of the evidence, as well as to be untruthful.
 
MaggieD said:
If it can be proven that the officer's gun was fired within the confines of his squad car? Game.Over.
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Not necessarily

Mr. Johnson has said that Officer Wilson was the aggressor, backing up his vehicle and opening the door, which hit Mr. Johnson and Mr. Brown and then bounced back.

“He just reached his arm out the window and grabbed my friend around his neck, and he was trying to choke my friend,” Mr. Johnson told reporters after the shooting. “He was trying to get away, and the officer then reached out and grabbed his arm to pull him inside the car.”

“In the same moment, the first shot went off,” he said. “We looked at him. He was shot. There was blood coming from him. And we took off running.””
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The one thing that is the common denominator here. Both stories agreed that there was shots fired by the door. Blood on the gun can correlate to both stories. Like I said for the 15,00 times, people need to chill on both sides and wait for everything to come out. I personally believe that this guy will get off even before the forensic reports. Cops are never found guilty. Epecially when it involves blacks.

That is not my opinion, that is fact.
 
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apdst said:
Wilson will get charged with something. The race pimps will see to that.

If I were Wilson, I'd be figure who all I'm going to sue.
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You are no better than these so called "race pimps". How many times have you posted stories about black crimes against white people?

What is your objective doing so?

You are no better than Al Sharpton. The only difference is that he is Team Black and you Team White.
 
Excon said:
My Johnson has been shown to be a liar and has been shown to have lied about this event.
He isn't credible.




No, that is your opinion, which does not stand up to scrutiny.
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Give me one case in history where the cop is found guilty in the killing of a black?
 
JC_CT said:
This is like a scene from the twilight zone.

There are 9 eyewitnesses who have gone public with their accounts (Johnson, Crenshaw, Mitchell, Brady, McKnight, Walker, Freeman, construction worker, and the latest anonymous resident) and exactly 0 of them said that Brown charged, bumrushed or otherwise aggressively moved towards Wilson prior to Wilson opening fire after Brown turned around.

Out of the 3 that said that Brown made ANY voluntary movement towards Wilson (Walker, construction worker and anonymous resident), 2 said Brown had his hands up in the air (Walker, construction worker), the other (anonymous resident) said he had his hands in plain sight and away from his body but were more like being up in disbelief that he was being shot at, and that the officer shouldn't have been shooting. Either way, his hands were in the air and away from his body.

McKnight, who said that Brown only stumbled towards Wilson, specifically clarified that Brown did not rush Wilson, as did Walker.

The closest at all to "charging Wilson" came from the construction worker, who said that Brown had his hands up as he turned and started to walk back towards Wilson still with his hands up, when Wilson opened fire and the construction worker couldn't tell whether Brown's next movement forward was "you are shooting me anyway so I'll attack you" or whether he was just falling forward to his death after being shot multiple times, because he just couldn't tell from his perspective. And we've seen the construction workers' reactions real time on video, which were of the nature of "wtf."

How anyone actually thinks that any of the 9 eyewitness accounts support justification for the shooting after Brown stopped and turned around, regardless of what happened at the SUV, is a genuine miracle of ignorance.

As is the belief by anyone that the justice system is working on the side of objectivity and fairness, and not to protect its own.

"The entire scene from the car door to the...uh...shooting was about 35 feet."

And yes, Wilson will get off without even an indictment. That makes him legally not guilty, but it does not make him innocent.
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can anyone tell me one thing

was the officer yelling at Brown to get down?

There are so many eyewitnesses....surely some said what the officer was yelling?

And if he was, why didnt Brown just get down and surrender?

Can anyone answer that question?
 
rcart76 said:
Not necessarily




The one thing that is the common denominator here. Both stories agreed that there was shots fired by the door. Blood on the gun can correlate to both stories. Like I said for the 15,00 times, people need to chill on both sides and wait for everything to come out. I personally believe that this guy will get off even before the forensic reports. Cops are never found guilty. Epecially when it involves blacks.

That is not my opinion, that is fact.
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I do not believe that story. Not for one New York Minute do I believe the officer tried to choke the guy by reaching through his door and pulling him into the car. And a jury won't either.
 
rcart76 said:
You are no better than these so called "race pimps". How many times have you posted stories about black crimes against white people?

What is your objective doing so?

You are no better than Al Sharpton. The only difference is that he is Team Black and you Team White.
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Team White? :lamo

I have a nifty idea: how about YOU tell us how many stories about black on white crime I've posted? There might be one, maybe two in 5 years, but IIRC, I haven't posted any. In fact, I've never played the victim card. If you're going to make it personal, at least be able to back it up.
 
MaggieD said:
I do not believe that story. Not for one New York Minute do I believe the officer tried to choke the guy by reaching through his door and pulling him into the car. And a jury won't either.
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Maggie

All do respect, why do you not believe it? Is it because who is involved?

One thing I will agree with. The jury will not convict.
 
rcart76 said:
Not necessarily




The one thing that is the common denominator here. Both stories agreed that there was shots fired by the door. Blood on the gun can correlate to both stories. Like I said for the 15,00 times, people need to chill on both sides and wait for everything to come out. I personally believe that this guy will get off even before the forensic reports. Cops are never found guilty. Epecially when it involves blacks.

That is not my opinion, that is fact.
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Brown was twice Wilson's size. :lamo.

Do you know how rediculous it sounds to claim that Wilson was man handling someone twice his size, from a sitting position?

Dorian Johnson is a lieing piece of ****.
 
gdgyva said:
can anyone tell me one thing

was the officer yelling at Brown to get down?

There are so many eyewitnesses....surely some said what the officer was yelling?

And if he was, why didnt Brown just get down and surrender?

Can anyone answer that question?
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None of the witnesses said he yelled "get down" or anything other than "stop," which is when Brown stopped and turned around.
 
rcart76 said:
Give me one case in history where the cop is found guilty in the killing of a black?
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Killed?
Now you are changing the goal posts.

You said; "Cops are never found guilty. Epecially[sp] when it involves blacks."
That does not indicate incidences of "killing" only.
Secondly, "guilty" would indicate having gone to trial, which is generally putting the verdict on the shoulders of a jury.
And thirdly. Why in the world would an Officer be found guilty when he had done nothing wrong?
Regardless. Your comment was opinion and not fact. Your own bias has lead you to say such.
So in answer to your question; Ever heard of Johannes Mehserle?
 
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JC_CT said:
None of the witnesses said he yelled "get down" or anything other than "stop," which is when Brown stopped and turned around.
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:naughty
He was ordering him to stop as he continued approaching the Officer.
 
rcart76 said:
All do respect, why do you not believe it? Is it because who is involved?
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I do not speak for MaggieD, but of course it is about who is involved. What was it you did not understand from the earlier statements of incredible witnesses with incredible accounts?
Johnson is a liar and was shown to be lying about this incident.

I think the question should be is why you believe a liar like Johnson?
 
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rcart76 said:
Maggie

All do respect, why do you not believe it? Is it because who is involved?

One thing I will agree with. The jury will not convict.
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Cops aren't idiots. The cop has NO strength in a sitting position in his squad car. He has no leverage. All he's got is arm strength to wrestle with a guy on his feet standing over him. Nope, didn't happen that way. The guy standing over him is going to beat the living crap out of him. Cops aren't trained like that. He would have been out of his car and on his feet. No way would he have initiated a physical confrontation from a sitting position. No way.

Think about it. Put your prejudice aside. Would you??

Edit: Cops are trained that their squad cars make very efficient coffins. In close quarters, in their squad cars, they are sitting ducks. They can't maneuver. They can't use leverage. They can't use their weight. Nothing but the strength in their arms. No cop would initiate a wrestling match from a sitting position, behind a steering wheel, through a window. Nope. Never going to happen.
 
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JC_CT said:
None of the witnesses said he yelled "get down" or anything other than "stop," which is when Brown stopped and turned around.
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really?

just "stop"

does that make any sense whatsoever?

i seen a few chases, and its always "get down" with a LOT of expletives thrown in, or i am gonna ****ing shoot you

and they yell it....stop, or ill shoot........and then get down on your belly

every freaking time........

something just isnt adding up.......
 
gdgyva said:
really?

just "stop"

does that make any sense whatsoever?

i seen a few chases, and its always "get down" with a LOT of expletives thrown in, or i am gonna ****ing shoot you

and they yell it....stop, or ill shoot........and then get down on your belly

every freaking time........

something just isnt adding up.......
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A black witness who claims to have seen the killing of Mike Brown by Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson “from start to finish” and who also purports to have just completed testifying in front of the Grand Jury, has subsequently been interviewed by the local St. Louis Post-Dispatch newspaper (on condition of anonymity).

Key facets of his testimony to the grand jury, as he recounts it, include:

  • Officer Wilson did not fire while Brown was moving away form him, but only when Brown turned back towards him.
  • Brown motioned with his arms out to his sides, but never raised them high.
  • Brown continued to advance on Wilson despite repeated orders to stop.
  • When Wilson fired his last rounds Brown was only ~20 feet away (those of you familiar with the Tueller drill understand the tactical implications of that distance, although this witness almost certainly did not).
  • Brown’s friend and criminal cohort Dorian Johnson took off running when the first round was fired inside Wilson’s police vehicle (thus casting further doubt on his testimony of later events, as if further doubt was needed).
  • He saw a struggle inside the patrol car, and saw Wilson’s hat fly off.
  • A shot was heard, at which point Brown ran, followed by Wilson (thus measurements of Brown’s body from Wilson’s vehicle are not likely representative of the distance between the men when Wilson fired).
  • Wilson, gun drawn, shouted repeatedly at Brown to stop his flight.
  • Brown stopped, mumbled something inaudible, and began advancing on Wilson, despite Wilson having his gun in hand.
  • Wilson again ordered Brown to stop, and fired three shots.
  • Brown staggered, apparently from being struck by one or more rounds, then continued to advance on Wilson.
  • Wilson fired four more rounds, the last of which discharged as Brown was falling.

Remarkably, after having provided this testimony, the witness is quoted in the interview as saying “He was already on his way down when he fired those last shots. What transpired to us, in my eyesight, was murder. Down outright murder.”

Ferguson | Mike Brown |Grand Jury Testimony​
 
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