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SECOND Dallas Hospital Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

Notice I also stated that if the news story is accurate, the CDC also has work to do (beyond what has been a suboptimal PR approach to date). IMO, the best approach is to let the facts come out and drive decision making.

Moreover, the early issues that have arisen highlight that the U.S. has at least a degree of vulnerability to significant health system shocks, whether they arise from epidemics/pandemics or even biological weapons. The early handling of the Ebola situation has demonstrated gaps in preparedness, training, and equipment.

This will exist regardless. Healthcare is a finite resource and the funds to fund that finite resource are finite itself. We simply don't have the money or the will to fund healthcare to the point where we can maintain a reasonable level of preparedness.

Your average total hospital bed capacity of a city is nowhere even hear what is necessary to handle patients in the event of an outbreak or major disaster because the cost to maintain them the rest of the time is prohibitive. Most hospitals are trying to make some money, but maintaining the necessary "stuff" to handle rare incidents like this will bleed them dry. A profitable hospital is not a hospital that can handle a pandemic.
 
No, that just means the political media is making it out to be far more an issue than it really is.

Do you know just how many Americans died last flu season from the flu with healthcare?
Do you know just how many Africans died of Ebola without healthcare this epidemic?

Hint: One is bigger than the other and it's the opposite of what raging partisans think it is.

Right and Obama said it was highly unlikely that ebola would come here, too.

Whatever Liberals say, you can bet the opposite is reality. Hell, it turns out there were WMD in Iraq, afterall...lol!
 
Right and Obama said it was highly unlikely that ebola would come here, too.

Politicians say a lot of things.

You haven't answered the question.


Whatever Liberals say, you can bet the opposite is reality. Hell, it turns out there were WMD in Iraq, afterall...lol!

You know, if you took a fraction of the amount of energy you spend on being a ridiculous partisan hack and educated yourself, you'd be a decent poster.

Anyone who thinks that chemical weapons in shells that have been subjected to desert heat and corrosion for over two decades are viable WMD is really beyond reasonable discussion.
 
Politicians say a lot of things.

You haven't answered the question.




You know, if you took a fraction of the amount of energy you spend on being a ridiculous partisan hack and educated yourself, you'd be a decent poster.

Anyone who thinks that chemical weapons in shells that have been subjected to desert heat and corrosion for over two decades are viable WMD is really beyond reasonable discussion.

We have a president who can't find his ass with both hands, so of course he's playing it down, not to mention the odds the Dems are up against in the mid-terms.

Hos followers--you--know he can't find his ass with both hands and are willing to back up whatever crap he spews.
 
We have a president who can't find his ass with both hands, so of course he's playing it down, not to mention the odds the Dems are up against in the mid-terms.

Hos followers--you--know he can't find his ass with both hands and are willing to back up whatever crap he spews.

How does any of that address my point?

If all you have is partisan vomit, please don't respond to me.
 
I work in a resort that attracts visitors from every corner of the globe, I've got a big horse in this fight.
Pfft. I live 5 blocks from Nina Pham's apartment. My daughters elementary school is caddy corner to it.

Your horse is a mouse. But I understand how you feel nonetheless. Believe me.
 
Texas health officials say second healthcare worker at Dallas hospital tests positive for Ebola | Fox News

I wonder how many more there will be just from that one guy coming to the United States.

I'm not worried. There is one death, and there may be as many as several more before it's over....... Which pales in comparison to......

Heart Disease 616,067
Cancer 562,875
Stroke 135,952
Chronic lower respiratory disease 127,924
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) 123,706
Alzheimer’s Disease 74,632
Diabetes 71,382
Influenza and Pneumonia 52,717
Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome, Nephrosis 46,448
Septicemia 34,828
Suicide 34,598
Chronic Liver Disease 29,165
Hypertension 23,965
Parkinson’s Disease 20,058
Assault (Homicide) 18,361
All Other Causes 451,034
Total Annual U.S. Deaths 2,423,712
 
Never said that. But yelling fire will only make things worse.

No one is proposing we yell fire. What's being proposed is that we do something.

The cat running the center for diabolicle confusion doesn't have a clue; Fienberger, or whatever that clown's name is. He should be sacked.
 
I'm not worried. There is one death, and there may be as many as several more before it's over....... Which pales in comparison to......

Heart Disease 616,067
Cancer 562,875
Stroke 135,952
Chronic lower respiratory disease 127,924
Accidents (Unintentional Injuries) 123,706
Alzheimer’s Disease 74,632
Diabetes 71,382
Influenza and Pneumonia 52,717
Nephritis, Nephrotic Syndrome, Nephrosis 46,448
Septicemia 34,828
Suicide 34,598
Chronic Liver Disease 29,165
Hypertension 23,965
Parkinson’s Disease 20,058
Assault (Homicide) 18,361
All Other Causes 451,034
Total Annual U.S. Deaths 2,423,712

How many of those are contageous? And how many are the most dangerous virus' known to mankind?
 
Look who's talking.

I'm not the one routinely accused of being a raging partisan.

You have COMPLETELY ignored my arguments to run off on a wild hate filled tangent.

Then again, you do think that chemical filled shells subjected to 20+ years of hot desert exposure means they're good as when they rolled off the chemical plant.

Reasonable discussion is beyond you.
 
I'm not worried. There is one death, and there may be as many as several more before it's over....... Which pales in comparison to.

You know the raging partisans here hate facts.

I'd actually love to see one of these "Obama's the fault for everything bad that's ever happened in history" come up with an actual solution. All they do is complain.
 
Maybe it's just me, but doesn't anyone else find it odd that we were initially told that only direct contact with blood or bodily fluids, via an open wound, or intimate contact, would spread the virus, but now they are worried about just being on the same flight as someone who was not yet diagnosed?

I don't find it odd. The concern comes into play when the person is symptomatic. Flights mean close quarters with other people so there is a higher risk of those people being exposed to the virus. It isn't airborne but can be transmitted through droplets of saliva or mucous following a cough or sneeze for example.
 
Mornin Lady P. Here check this out from the Left-leaning Mother Jones. The Nurses aren't going to let this CDC guy keep on lying about hospitals and medical people being ready.


Survey: Four Out of Five Nurses Have Gotten No Ebola Training At All.....

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A new survey conducted by the National Nurses Union shows US hospitals may not be adequately prepared to handle Ebola patients, should the virus continue to spread. Out of the 2,200 nurses who responded to the union's questionnaire, 85 percent reported that their hospitals had not provided education on Ebola. 76 percent said their institution had no policy for how to admit and handle patients potentially infected with the virus. More than a third claimed their hospitals didn't have enough safety supplies, including eye protection and fluid resistant gowns. The survey results were announced on Sunday, just after the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention confirmed that a health worker in Texas had tested positive for the virus. The CDC's director, Thomas Frieden cited a "breach of protocol" as the likely reason. Now—as agency officials scramble to figure out just what that breach was—nurses are pushing back. On Monday, NNU nurses in red shirts rallied in Oakland, Calif. with signs reading, "Stop Blaming Nurses. Stop Ebola."

"We have been surveying nurses for almost two months about Ebola preparedness," Charles Idelson, an NNU spokesman, said Monday. "What these survey results clearly indicate is that hospitals are still not doing enough to be properly prepared to respond." The CDC has announced plans to deploy an Ebola response team "within hours" at any hospital where an Ebola patient is admitted. At a press conference, Frieden said the agency is responding to calls from hospitals that are underprepared to handle the crisis.
The red shirts make them look like the science team members in Star Trek. And we all know what happened to the guys in the red shirts on Star Trek...
 
Never said that. But yelling fire will only make things worse.

Worse than yelling fire is sitting complacent while an epidemic hemorrhagic virus with a 50-90% mortality continues to outsmart our own cdc. Govt "competence" isn't doing it, public outrage might-and its rightly deserved.

The mountains lefties choose to make stands on are truly baffling.
 
She should have known better than to board that plane. If she had been in the military and I was her commanding officer I would push for a court marshal.

More cases potentially because 70 staff had access to Duncan.

She CALLED the CDC (the "experts) several times asking if she could fly and they said yes. Several times.
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that Vinson called the agency several times before flying, saying that she had a fever with a temperature of 99.5 degrees. But because her fever wasn't 100.4 degrees or higher, she didn't officially fall into the group of "high risk" and was allowed to fly.
Ebola nurse Am​ber Vinson called CDC several times before flying - CBS News

You getting the picture yet?
 
Worse than yelling fire is sitting complacent while an epidemic hemorrhagic virus with a 50-90% mortality continues to outsmart our own cdc. Govt "competence" isn't doing it, public outrage might-and its rightly deserved.

The mountains lefties choose to make stands on are truly baffling.

It's complacency and apathy that will get us.
 
The Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said that Vinson called the agency several times before flying, saying that she had a fever with a temperature of 99.5 degrees. But because her fever wasn't 100.4 degrees or higher, she didn't officially fall into the group of "high risk" and was allowed to fly.

Ebola nurse Am​ber Vinson called CDC several times before flying - CBS News


Then, CDC issued a statement that she shouldn't have flown! I was watching the clip on the news with that CDC making a statement. I don't think they ever clearly explained that this nurse asked for their advise about flying. Not being clear on that seems to somehow shifts the blame on this nurse, at least in the press conference.

It's becoming to look like a movie - clichéd incompetent government agencies and all!
 
Life imitating art isn't a good thing here....
 
I'm not the one routinely accused of being a raging partisan.

You have COMPLETELY ignored my arguments to run off on a wild hate filled tangent.

Then again, you do think that chemical filled shells subjected to 20+ years of hot desert exposure means they're good as when they rolled off the chemical plant.

Reasonable discussion is beyond you.

You always take a partisan stand on everything. I couod say the sun rises in the East and you would argue about it. As with every Liberal, whom doesn't have the ability to support his argument, you resort to personal attacks and insults. I'll remind you, you engaged me, not the other way around. You don't want to debate me? THEN DON'T.
 
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