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Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

Papa bull said:
Equality isn't the issue. No one is barred from marriage because they're a homosexual. Homosexuals have all the rights everyone else has.
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Homosexuals do not have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, unlike heterosexuals. So no, they don't have the same rights. Try again.
 
Paschendale said:
Imagine what we're hostile to that will be seen that way in another century... It's difficult to imagine that equal rights for gays isn't one such issue. But I imagine that there will be things we haven't even thought of yet that will be fundamental rights to future generations.
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According to the SSM haters, it will be marriage to our pets and 3 year olds.

I'd imagine cognitive research will reveal behaviors we've traditionally viewed as immoral to be more rooted in biology instead, possibly leading to rights we can't foresee. To an extent, this accounts for how SSM became possible.
 
Papa bull said:
If you don't want to flyfish, don't insist on fishing a flyfishing only stream and don't whine that you are being persecuted because you prefer spinning tackle.

Marriage is a heterosexual thing and always was despite specious arguments by homosexuals and advocates of homosexuality. Two people of the same sex living together may be a relationship of one sort or another but it isn't a marriage.
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Are you seriously comparing someone's sexual preference to fly fishing? :shock: :damn

Sorry but someone not being able to be what they are and not liking it is not the same thing as frigging fly fishing, that is just insanity.

Marriage is not a heterosexual thing, religious people have decided that and that means that it discriminates against gays and lesbians and that is not moral nor is it right IMHO. And gays or lesbians living together for life is a marriage, sorry but marriage is nothing more than 2 people living together and affirming their love and their desire to live together for life and gays and lesbians are just as capable of doing that as straight people.
 
Zinthaniel said:
Homosexuals do not have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, unlike heterosexuals. So no, they don't have the same rights. Try again.
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Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
 
Peter King said:
Are you seriously comparing someone's sexual preference to fly fishing? :shock: :damn

Sorry but someone not being able to be what they are and not liking it is not the same thing as frigging fly fishing, that is just insanity.

Marriage is not a heterosexual thing, religious people have decided that and that means that it discriminates against gays and lesbians and that is not moral nor is it right IMHO. And gays or lesbians living together for life is a marriage, sorry but marriage is nothing more than 2 people living together and affirming their love and their desire to live together for life and gays and lesbians are just as capable of doing that as straight people.
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I understand that you don't think other people's definition of marriage should be forced on you but what you don't seem to get is that other people don't want your definition of marriage forced on them, either, and to most sane people in this world, a marriage isn't a marriage unless it has one member of BOTH sexes.
 
Papa bull said:
Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
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lol did you just compare child rape to marriage? LMAO
another post of yours completely fails
 
Papa bull said:
I understand that you don't think other people's definition of marriage should be forced on you but what you don't seem to get is that other people don't want your definition of marriage forced on them, either, and to most sane people in this world, a marriage isn't a marriage unless it has one member of BOTH sexes.
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good thing nobody is forcing any definition on you, if you disagree simply post facts that prove its being forced on you. We will wait. LOL
 
Papa bull said:
I understand that you don't think other people's definition of marriage should be forced on you but what you don't seem to get is that other people don't want your definition of marriage forced on them, either, and to most sane people in this world, a marriage isn't a marriage unless it has one member of BOTH sexes.
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You really think anyone's going to care if you personally hold fingers in ears and wear a blindfold every time a gay couple gets hitched. All they want is the rights and legal equality. It doesn't affect you in the least, so you'd be taken more sincerely if you dropped the martyr crap.
 
Papa bull said:
Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
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Playing the "pedophile" card is pretty weak. It's right up there with bestiality as a legitimate argument against SSM, which involves two consenting, competent, sane adults who are capable of the same love for their partner as you are. BTW, if the "whatever you genuinely love" word choice was intentional, you're flying the bigotry flag pretty high! Gays aren't a "what" they're human beings same as you.

Besides, what makes you think there is some right for you to pick and choose who can and cannot get married? Like you, I'm over 50 and no one has ever asked me permission to get married.
 
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Papa bull said:
Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
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You keep whining that people compare gay marriage to interracial marriage, and then keep bringing up pedophilia. Why, a few pages back you even brought up the "everyone has the same right to marry someone of the opposite gender," logic you know full well was shot down with "everyone has equal right to marry someone of the same race." You keep bringing up pedophilia, and I'm going to keep bringing up race. You keep making identical arguments to the people who opposed Loving, and I'm going to keep pointing out all of those arguments have been dismissed in the past.

Children cannot sign legal contracts nor consent to sexual activity. This is upheld by the compelling state interest to protect children from abuse. Pedophilia, therefore, is not required to be protected under the equal protection clause. Slippery slope over. We know you'll keep bringing it up anyway. You cannot identify a similar interest in preventing two male adults from marrying each other.
 
chromium said:
You really think anyone's going to care if you personally hold fingers in ears and wear a blindfold every time a gay couple gets hitched. All they want is the rights and legal equality. It doesn't affect you in the least, so you'd be taken more sincerely if you dropped the martyr crap.
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This is always a mystery to me. They recently moved, but we had a gay couple living four houses down the street. I don't know if they were married or not, and I can't imagine how my life would be affected in the slightest if they were, or weren't. I no more care about their 'marriage' status than I do about the marriage status of Newt Gingrich. He's been divorced and married twice since I got married and none of those events affected me or my marriage in the slightest.

And let's say you are concerned about the "institution" of marriage. First of all, the biggest threat to traditional marriage in my part of the world is by straight couples divorcing or never marrying. But I've yet to understand how preventing same sex couples from marrying strengthens "traditional" marriage. For myself, I deeply value my marriage, love my wife, she's been there for me during some very tough times, and I want everyone to have what I have. It increases happiness in the world around me. How can my well being, or society's well being, improve by denying what I have to others? I'm at a loss....
 
Papa bull said:
Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
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Let's see, sex and marriage to underage children is ILLEGAL, being gay and having a consentual homosexual relationship is not. Way to keep riding that fail train in idiotic comparisons. And you wonder why Cons are losing this fight, they can't even make logical comparisons.
 
JasperL said:
Playing the "pedophile" card is pretty weak. It's right up there with bestiality as a legitimate argument against SSM, which involves two consenting, competent, sane adults who are capable of the same love for their partner as you are. BTW, if the "whatever you genuinely love" word choice was intentional, you're flying the bigotry flag pretty high! Gays aren't a "what" they're human beings same as you.

Besides, what makes you think there is some right for you to pick and choose who can and cannot get married? Like you, I'm over 50 and no one has ever asked me permission to get married.
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The "pedophile card" isn't weak at all if the argument is that people should be allowed to marry whatever they love and want to have sex with. It might not be an argument against homosexual marriage, but it's certainly proof that there's no right to marry whatever you want to have sex with and that was the argument I was responding to.
 
Papa bull said:
Pedophiles don't have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, either. What makes you think there is some right to marry whatever you genuinely love and are sexually attracted to?
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Marriage is a contract, children are legally unable to enter into contracts. Do try again though, it's so much fun to watch you make a fool of yourself.
 
Cephus said:
Marriage is a contract, children are legally unable to enter into contracts. Do try again though, it's so much fun to watch you make a fool of yourself.
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The point was valid. There is no right to marry whatever you have "feelings for".
 
Papa bull said:
The point was valid. There is no right to marry whatever you have "feelings for".
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Between two consenting adults, there is no legal reason why they cannot enter into a legal contract, which is all marriage is.
 
Deuce said:
No man, he's correct on one part. It does impact his state taxes. He believes in higher taxes for homosexuals. Probably just being jealous, wanting to redistribute their wealth. That's the usual excuse for supporting higher taxes, right?
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The funniest part is that it has been shown that same sex couples being allowed to marry actually helps us when it comes to the taxes. It has been determined that there is likely to be a net positive for our public coffers when it comes to marriage.
 
Papa bull said:
The "pedophile card" isn't weak at all if the argument is that people should be allowed to marry whatever they love and want to have sex with. It might not be an argument against homosexual marriage, but it's certainly proof that there's no right to marry whatever you want to have sex with and that was the argument I was responding to.
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No one has made an argument that you should be able to marry your cat or your dog or the sex doll you have in the closet (these "whats") or children who society has a duty to protect and who the law recognizes in 100 ways aren't capable of making informed choices, especially when it comes to sex and marriage. Those are nice, inviting straw men pulled out by people like you floundering for an argument not based on bigotry.

The SSM debate is about two consenting adults, people just like you with emotions like you and a desire for love and intimacy like you, who want to make a commitment to one another same as straight couples. At least have the courtesy to address the subject head on.
 
Papa bull said:
The point was valid. There is no right to marry whatever you have "feelings for".
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That's BS. No one is making the assertion that people have a right to marry "WHATever" they have feelings for. These are people - adults - in consensual, loving relationships.
 
Papa bull said:
State endorsement of marriage at the state level is very much about taxes. Homosexual marriage will lower state and federal revenues. Basically, it's a tax dodge for homosexuals.
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Proven wrong.

Same-sex marriage: Good for the economy | Arkansas Blog | Arkansas news, politics, opinion, restaurants, music, movies and art

The Economic Benefits of Gay Marriage | The Rundown | PBS NewsHour

In fact, the research was done over 10 years ago to show this and no research since has contradicted it.

http://www.cbo.gov/sites/default/files/06-21-samesexmarriage.pdf
 
JasperL said:
No one has made an argument that you should be able to marry your cat or your dog or the sex doll you have in the closet (these "whats") or children who society has a duty to protect and who the law recognizes in 100 ways aren't capable of making informed choices, especially when it comes to sex and marriage. Those are nice, inviting straw men pulled out by people like you floundering for an argument not based on bigotry.

The SSM debate is about two consenting adults, people just like you with emotions like you and a desire for love and intimacy like you, who want to make a commitment to one another same as straight couples. At least have the courtesy to address the subject head on.
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I did address the subject head on. Homosexuals have the same rights everyone else has. The person who didn't come at this head on was the one that said that if you don't have the right to marry whatever gives you a chubby then you don't have equal rights and I pointed out that was wrong.
 
JasperL said:
That's BS. No one is making the assertion that people have a right to marry "WHATever" they have feelings for. These are people - adults - in consensual, loving relationships.
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The quote was: "Homosexuals do not have the right to marry who they genuinely love and are sexually attracted to, unlike heterosexuals. So no, they don't have the same rights. Try again.".

And I merely pointed out that pedophiles don't get to marry who they "genuinely love and are sexually attracted to", either. So much for the "rights" issue.
 
Crovax said:
The word marriage has religious connotations that is why the gays refused to accept civil unions. The act and benefits might be secular but the gays dont want that they want the word
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Religions do not own marriage just because they use the term too.
 
Papa bull said:
I understand that you don't think other people's definition of marriage should be forced on you but what you don't seem to get is that other people don't want your definition of marriage forced on them, either, and to most sane people in this world, a marriage isn't a marriage unless it has one member of BOTH sexes.
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Problem is that your definition of marriage is discriminatory and mine isn't. You are wanting to exclude people based on their sexual preference and I do not.

And do not speak for other people or think that what you think about gay weddings is any more sane or insane as people who support gay weddings.

And no, most people in this world (in a lot of countries) do not thing marriage should be between 2 parties of differing sexes. In fact, the latest polls in the US show that about 56% of Americans are polled in favor of same sex marriages. Majorities are in a lot of countries who have gay marriage now.
 
Papa bull said:
1.)The "pedophile card" isn't weak at all if the argument is that people should be allowed to marry whatever they love and want to have sex with. It might not be an argument against homosexual marriage

2.) but it's certainly proof that there's no right to marry whatever you want to have sex with and that was the argument I was responding to.
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1.)not only is it weak its laughable, once that mentally retarded analogy is brought up one loses all readability on the subject. Everybody educated and honest just laughs at it
rape =/= marriage
you analogy fails LOL

2.) nobody made that claim lol another failed lie.
 
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