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Alaska ban on same-sex marriage ruled unconstitutional

No, what we are talking about is overturning the will of the people on some bogus argument that marriage is a civil right.
What kind of right is it then?

This is an issue for the people to decide
Why and on what principle?

it is a much bigger issue than two consenting adults signing a legal document
No it is just that simple, it is you who wants to make it a bigger issue, but lack any evidence that would support that.
 
Wouldn't want to force you to pray to my God as you will have to face yours one of these days. I couldn't care less what you think or believe but you want to force your beliefs on me and nothing is going to ever change my mind, marriage is a union between a man and a woman. You want a legal relationship create one, oh wait, we have it is called a civil union. Leave decades and centuries of tradition and precedence alone.

Why do you fundies always get moist when you fantasize about others going to hell?
You don't make the decisions for your "god", quit getting off at trying to be him/her.
 
And by far those attacks are brought on by the acts of self righteous religious bigots. For the other instances, well bigotry is not exclusive to the religious and can be found in all other walks of life. Fortunately for all of us they are fewer and fewer of them.

Actually from both, as it should.

Oh, thank you very much, and of course there are no other zealots other than religious ones? Your onesided, biased, partisan opinions if executed by the majority will destroy this country all because you cannot see the forest because of the trees. This country was built on the foundation of limited central govt and power give by the people, for the people, to the people and not the courts. This is a states' rights issue, you better wake up.
 
Now all of a sudden you want the courts to overrule the laws you lived under. Why is that?
Yea, slave owners said the same thing along with those who opposed interracial marriage, desegregation etc. etc so you are in good company.
 
Why do you fundies always get moist when you fantasize about others going to hell?
You don't make the decisions for your "god", quit getting off at trying to be him/her.


Every time I get into this topic I do visit Hell. I don't make decisions for my God and never will. My God will make a decision about me. So far my God has been very good to me and my family. Why is it that people like you are so miserable and unhappy? Liberals are such a miserable lot and calling yourself a moderate is a joke
 
Yea, slave owners said the same thing along with those who opposed interracial marriage, desegregation etc. etc so you are in good company.

Slave owners never was the issue, the Constitution was amended by those very people you seem to fear now. Why? Put it on the ballot and let the people of the states decide, not the courts
 
So put it on the ballot again and see what happens. Let the people of your state decide on a state issue not the courts. Since this fight has been going on for decades and decades what is a few more years? Since as you state it doesn't affect you as you are married then your passion for this issue is misguided.

As I've said multiple times, don't have to. The other avenue, through the courts, which is completely constitutional, worked for my state just fine. You are just upset because your side lost.

A few more years to older people trying to get married can be a big difference.

Oh, and just to give you a little information about me, I'm part of Generation X, which should give you some clue as to how old I am.
 
No, what we are talking about is overturning the will of the people on some bogus argument that marriage is a civil right. This is an issue for the people to decide not the courts and until marriage is in the Constitution my position stands.

it is a much bigger issue than two consenting adults signing a legal document, it is about the roles and responsibilities of govt. and about promoting a limited federal govt. that is responsible solely for our defense not our personal responsibility issues.

You are demanding the government enforce the "will of the people" onto the rights of the minority, based on nothing other than their moral disapproval of the choice of the minority.

That's not what this country is founded on. This country is founded on the rights of the individual. Our constitution exists specifically to prevent the government from stepping on the rights of the individual. State oppression of individual liberty is still oppression of individual liberty.

This isn't a direct democracy. Putting the rights of the minority to the vote is not what this country is about.

You want to ban same-sex marriage? Elect representatives to overturn the 14th amendment.
 
As I've said multiple times, don't have to. The other avenue, through the courts, which is completely constitutional, worked for my state just fine. You are just upset because your side lost.

A few more years to older people trying to get married can be a big difference.

The people in North Carolina lost, I haven't lost anything. This is a states' right issue and you don't seem to comprehend the ramifications of this ruling in the big picture
 
The people in North Carolina lost, I haven't lost anything. This is a states' right issue and you don't seem to comprehend the ramifications of this ruling in the big picture

Lost what? The right to suppress individual freedom? Where is that right written in the constitution?
 
You are demanding the government enforce the "will of the people" onto the rights of the minority, based on nothing other than their moral disapproval of the choice of the minority.

That's not what this country is founded on. This country is founded on the rights of the individual. Our constitution exists specifically to prevent the government from stepping on the rights of the individual. State oppression of individual liberty is still oppression of individual liberty.

This isn't a direct democracy. Putting the rights of the minority to the vote is not what this country is about.

You want to ban same-sex marriage? Elect representatives to overturn the 14th amendment.

Guess you must have missed the history class on the founding of this country. Interesting that the SC hasn't ruled yet, wonder why? You seem to fear the same group of people that created all those amendments, why? You want marriage in the Constitution, put it there. If not let the people of the states decide their own issues.
 
Yep, let's have a country ruled by the courts and not the people. Brilliant short term liberal strategy that is destroying this country. Your selfishness is recognized as you fail to see the bigger picture.

Was it selfish of Loving to appeal to the courts for the right to marry a different race? Do you realize it would've taken 20+ years before all states had legalized interracial marriage on their own?

The courts run this country because the voters and legislature have failed
 
Guess you must have missed the history class on the founding of this country. Interesting that the SC hasn't ruled yet, wonder why? You seem to fear the same group of people that created all those amendments, why? You want marriage in the Constitution, put it there. If not let the people of the states decide their own issues.

The states can decide whatever they want, but their laws are subject to the constitution. As much as you really, really wish the 14th only applied to "laws in the constitution," that's not how it works.

Same-sex marriage bans violate equal protection, therefore they are unconstitutional. It's interesting that the Supreme Court hasn't disagreed with a single circuit court on this issue. They have, however, outright rejected your personal notion that equal protection only applies to "laws in the constitution." Or is SCOTUS only an authority when you want them to be?

You have an alternative: get your state to stop recognizing any form of marriage. That would also satisfy equal protection.
 
The people in North Carolina lost, I haven't lost anything. This is a states' right issue and you don't seem to comprehend the ramifications of this ruling in the big picture

Nope. The people in NC won, equality. Some may be upset about that, but they'll get over it quickly when they realize that same sex couples getting married really doesn't affect them at all.
 
Lost what? The right to suppress individual freedom? Where is that right written in the constitution?

What did the SS couples lose? The will of the people was overturned by the courts. You call it discrimination, you call it a violation of civil rights. I call it a violation of states' rights since marriage isn't in the Constitution. No matter how many times you make the claim you are ignoring the big picture and the foundation upon which this country was built, limited central govt. and power to the people not the courts. 19 states had the will of the people overturned by the courts. You don't have a problem with that because it is an issue you support. Think of one you don't support and have that happen to you? What is happening in this country today is damn scary and you are part of the problem because you don't understand states rights at all.
 
Slave owners never was the issue, the Constitution was amended by those very people you seem to fear now. Why? Put it on the ballot and let the people of the states decide, not the courts

Either you're defending slavery here or...you don't know how the amendment process works. There's never a ballot involved, and back then over the half the population couldn't vote anyway.
 
Nope. The people in NC won, equality. Some may be upset about that, but they'll get over it quickly when they realize that same sex couples getting married really doesn't affect them at all.

noticed that the minority, 61%, disagreed with you
 
Either you're defending slavery here or...you don't know how the amendment process works. There's never a ballot involved, and back then over the half the population couldn't vote anyway.

We have a Representative democracy, learn how it works. In the meantime do a little studying of states rights and see how it relates to our Founders
 
Then put it on the ballot again to legitimize your opinions and the court rulings.

What a stupid waste of time and money you are suggesting. Not going to happen.

But interesting to see how you have no issue with trying to waste more taxpayer money to try to maintain your hateful, discriminatory, unconstitutional position within the laws.
 
I call it a violation of states' rights since marriage isn't in the Constitution..

Interracial marriage isn't in the constitution. Race isn't in the 14th amendment. Explain to me why you believe interracial marriage bans are unconstitutional. (or, if you don't believe that, let me know. would hate to attack a straw man)
 
We have a Representative democracy, learn how it works. In the meantime do a little studying of states rights and see how it relates to our Founders

Yet you are pushing for a direct democracy in continually asking for it to be put on the ballot.

I know about states' rights. They lost the Civil War and therefore were limited by the 14th Amendment. Not all the Founding Fathers were for the states to have so much power, hence why the Articles of Confederation failed.
 
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