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Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

"Has the US stopped requiring people to request a visa to come here, other than on the southern border where undocumented democrats flood across (enterovirus for your children anybody?)?"

Most of what needs to happen? We control our permission to come here, through visas.


Explain why you believe this is relevant to us refusing to allow people from Ebola country the permission to come here.


Or we can do the very simple thing of refusing to grant permission for people to come here who have been to Ebla country recently.

All of your other hand-wringing nonsense is, well, nonsense.


This is your fault. Close the borders. Secure the borders. Refuse entry to people who have been to Ebola country.



I want it to run its course in Ebola country. I do not want the US to become a part of Ebola country.

As with any viral outbreak, Ebola, measles, chickenpox, whatever, containment of the virus until it is no longer transmissible is the only reasonable course of action.

I fail to understand why such a simple fact escapes so many. When you were a child, and contacted chickenpox, did you mother send you off to school to infect the other children? No, she kept you home until you were no longer contagious. Same principal here, just with bigger group of people and world wide, given modern air travel.
 
Actually she was symptomatic (not asymptomatic) before the flight to Cleveland, Ohio. She lied to the CDC about her other symptoms for days and probably took aspirin to lower her fever while in Ohio. Ohio's department of health is worried and are actually in the process of trying to find over 1,000 people she might have contact with on Saturday and Sunday.

This isn't hysteria, this is turning into a pandemic VERY quickly in the US due to CDC and others not actually understanding Eloba fully or flat out telling half-truths to the public. Rate of Infection is key.. and right now it's for every 1 patient with Eloba, 2 will get it. Right now you have 70 some in Dallas, plus head health officials and idiot politicians (Judge) who were in DIRECT contact.

She lied, huh? I doubt that.

Actually, for each 1 in Africa, 2 will get it. And that's with people living in close quarters and sometimes getting little medical care, and their bodies are then prepared by family members without protection.

In the US, if we had a mini outbreak, transmission would be rare... Close to zero.

It just goes to show that healthcare in Texas is not real good, given their failure in precautions.
 
She lied, huh? I doubt that.

Actually, for each 1 in Africa, 2 will get it. And that's with people living in close quarters and sometimes getting little medical care, and their bodies are then prepared by family members without protection.

In the US, if we had a mini outbreak, transmission would be rare... Close to zero.

It just goes to show that healthcare in Texas is not real good, given their failure in precautions.

You doubt that a Nurse who was having symptoms but didn't tell CDC she was fatigued and aching prior to her flight? Other option is the CDC knowingly risked hundreds of lives on purpose. You chooses.. either way it's pretty ****ty.

No, Actually it is in the US. You had one patient with Ebola, now you have 2 Nurses with Ebola. That's a 2 to 1 ratio. Or you just gonna be a CDC lap dog and lie about the 2 nurses?

It has nothing to do with Texas health care. It has everything to CDC failures. CDC protocol is 100% different then what Doctors and Nurses who volunteer in Africa have. CDC protocol isn't a full bio-hazard suit, in Africa it is (head of CDC wore same suit when visiting and he wasn't even treating patients).

Yes, Africa has different issues but in Africa don't have is massive access to mass transit (flying, car, rail).
 
You doubt that a Nurse who was having symptoms but didn't tell CDC she was fatigued and aching prior to her flight? Other option is the CDC knowingly risked hundreds of lives on purpose. You chooses.. either way it's pretty ****ty.

No, Actually it is in the US. You had one patient with Ebola, now you have 2 Nurses with Ebola. That's a 2 to 1 ratio. Or you just gonna be a CDC lap dog and lie about the 2 nurses?

It has nothing to do with Texas health care. It has everything to CDC failures. CDC protocol is 100% different then what Doctors and Nurses who volunteer in Africa have. CDC protocol isn't a full bio-hazard suit, in Africa it is (head of CDC wore same suit when visiting and he wasn't even treating patients).

Yes, Africa has different issues but in Africa don't have is massive access to mass transit (flying, car, rail).

Well, given that the primary symptom to watch is fever, and she had none, that's considered asymptomatic. If she's lying, I don't think you can blame the CDC!

Mass transit really isn't an issue with transmission, unless the patient is bleeding, vomiting or ****ting all over the place. Even if she had a fever, it's pretty minimal risk.

In Africa, hazmat suits are certainly not standard, and they aren't in the US either. If you have them, great, but recommendations are for standard blood, fluid and droplet precautions.



http://www.cdc.gov/vhf/ebola/hcp/in...tml?mobile=nocontent#modalIdString_CDCTable_0
 
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Just ones from Ebola-hit African countries and ban Africans coming from Europe who came from said parts of Africa.

After they've been on planes with Europeans and spent all that time with them in airports? And the Europeans still come here? :roll:
 
OMG, but that's sooooo complicated, as a board lib exclaimed earlier today. :roll:

After they've been on planes with Europeans and spent all that time with them in airports? And the Europeans still come here? :roll:
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Given their recent track record... I think you're right.

What really disgusts me is that they are being *reactionary* instead of proactive.

They have to react to every new problem instead of getting ahead of it.

Even I would have put a no-flight or even no-travel ban on anyone who had worked with the Ebola patient in TX.

People...including apparently the CDC...seem to be very reluctant to impose on people's civil rights and it's long long been known that to curb the spread of disease, that is what it takes. Unpleasant, ugly, even deadly, and certainly opening legal action....it still comes down to that.
 
That's clearer.

So she flew when she was a symptomatic. No fever, and her temp was recorded before the flight.

Shouldn't be an issue.

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Thing is...an entire plane had to be decontaminated...what do you think that costs?

All other passengers on that flight need to be tracked....$$$

What if she had been/become symptomatic....planeload of people need to be quarantined? $$$$

The numbers of people who have decided not to fly (as discussed on the news) because of this incident?.....$$$$
 
Thats true, if this starts to really grow, it will shut down whats left of this economy. Schools and business, especially places where crowds congregate will turn into ghost towns.

And its going to fall back on the CDC and the Obama administration's initial process of dealing with this virus.

Their decision to continue to allow travel out of Ebola plagued Nations.

Pretty much my main point.
 
"Has the US stopped requiring people to request a visa to come here, other than on the southern border where undocumented democrats flood across (enterovirus for your children anybody?)?"

"Most of what needs to happen? We control our permission to come here, through visas. Or going to other countries first.

*sigh* that does not force them to stop letting them on the plane there and infecting everyone on the plane. Or going to other countries first.


"Explain why you believe this is relevant to us refusing to allow people from Ebola country the permission to come here.

*sigh* that does not force them to stop letting them on the plane there and infecting everyone on the plane. Or going to other countries first.


"Or we can do the very simple thing of refusing to grant permission for people to come here who have been to Ebla country recently.

*sigh* that does not force them to stop letting them on the plane there and infecting everyone on the plane. Or going to other countries first.

And then we have Americans on that plane...who are not subject to monitoring ($$$) or quarantine ($$$ and civil rights objections) and the costs of decontaminating entire aircraft for a level 4 virus ($$$) And fewer and fewer people choosing to travel by air for pleasure and business ($$$$) and people at the airlines being laid off ($$$) It could reach that point in less than 2 months, regarding airline losses.


"All of your other hand-wringing nonsense is, well, nonsense.

And yet you have not refuted a single thing. You are going with, as usual, 'na huh.'


"This is your fault.

:lamo


"Close the borders. Secure the borders. Refuse entry to people who have been to Ebola country.

Never said we shouldn't. I have however, pointed out why it will be very damaging...to the economy and American's civil rights to do so. And why it was and continues to be in America's best interests to control and reduce Ebola over in West Africa rather than dealing with it here.


"I want it to run its course in Ebola country. I do not want the US to become a part of Ebola country.

ROFLMAO Hence why it was and is in our national interests to have our military there working on infrastructure, transportation, supply control, supporting medical operations, and acting as security (also of ***transportation and people's movements***). OMG! LOLOLOL :lamo
 
Thing is...an entire plane had to be decontaminated...what do you think that costs?

All other passengers on that flight need to be tracked....$$$

What if she had been/become symptomatic....planeload of people need to be quarantined? $$$$

The numbers of people who have decided not to fly (as discussed on the news) because of this incident?.....$$$$

The plane may have been decontaminated... But it didn't HAVE to be.

An asymptomatic patient should not be shedding virus. If they are, it's confined to bodily secretions and the infectious potential of those is time sensitive.

Learn something about it before you panic.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiam...rd-to-catch-confused-heres-how-to-understand/
 
The plane may have been decontaminated... But it didn't HAVE to be.

An asymptomatic patient should not be shedding virus. If they are, it's confined to bodily secretions and the infectious potential of those is time sensitive.

Learn something about it before you panic.

Ebola's Incredibly Infectious. Ebola's Also Hard To Catch. Confused? Here's How To Understand. - Forbes

Liability liability liability. And the CDC has been wrong on transmission...yes, difficult but not impossible thru surfaces.

Not only that...how else you going to (try to) get the public back on your planes?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I have a strong layman's background in epidemiology after my college microbio courses. Love it. I am very disappointed with the CDC being reactionary in so many ways to the occurrences of Ebola here in the US.
 
Liability liability liability. And the CDC has been wrong on transmission...yes, difficult but not impossible thru surfaces.

Not only that...how else you going to (try to) get the public back on your planes?

$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$

I have a strong layman's background in epidemiology after my college microbio courses. Love it. I am very disappointed with the CDC being reactionary in so many ways to the occurrences of Ebola here in the US.

I'll be on multiple planes next week. Not an issue for me.

The CDC was not wrong. We know nothing new about Ebola today than we didn't know last month. Or really, last year. Transmission from surfaces is remote except for bodily fluids that common sense tells you not to touch.

I have a background in treating infectious disease, including some HIV patients in the mid 80s. This is a concern, but not a 24 hours news concern.
 
I'll be on multiple planes next week. Not an issue for me.

The CDC was not wrong. We know nothing new about Ebola today than we didn't know last month. Or really, last year. Transmission from surfaces is remote except for bodily fluids that common sense tells you not to touch.

I have a background in treating infectious disease, including some HIV patients in the mid 80s. This is a concern, but not a 24 hours news concern.


Bodily fluids on surfaces that people don't expect or cannot see? Really?

I know it is remote, however as the 2 nurses in Dallas are clear proof of....the CDC has underestimated contagion factors. And 'remote' means nothing when an individual gets it. It esp. means nothing with our media and it's potential effects on the economy.
 
Bodily fluids on surfaces that people don't expect or cannot see? Really?

I know it is remote, however as the 2 nurses in Dallas are clear proof of....the CDC has underestimated contagion factors. And 'remote' means nothing when an individual gets it. It esp. means nothing with our media and it's potential effects on the economy.

No. The nurses are proof that the hospital didn't train their staff well. The CDC needs to intensify their remedial training program.

The effects on the economy are miniscule, and will continue to be.
 
No. The nurses are proof that the hospital didn't train their staff well. The CDC needs to intensify their remedial training program.

The effects on the economy are miniscule, and will continue to be.

The CDC has admitted they didn't assess the Dallas situation correctly. And the suits were inadequate and the CDC was supposed to have provided the protocols for the training. The gap in the necklines....if it's not airborne....at least by blood in human aerosols...how did they get it?

And the effects on the economy have the potential to show people what a real 'crash' is.
 
BREAKING: Carnival Cruise Passengers Flagged For Ebola
posted (October 16, 2014)

There is a major developing story in the Belize harbor this evening - and it is that two cruise ship passengers who have been flagged as possible Ebola cases - are on a boat tender trying to come into Belize City tonight for movement to the PGIA where an air ambulance is reportedly waiting. But, our information says Belizean authorities are currently refusing them entry to Belize so that they can get to the airport. Those authorities are asking that they be sent back to the cruise ship. That's where it is at this hour - and there is no official information - though we have been trying to reach multiple senior persons in the ministry of health. The tender reportedly remains in the harbor - between the cruise ship and Belize City - with US authorities seeking assistance of Belizean authorities to grant them passage. It is reportedly a couple. Again, no confirmation at this hour but more than one credible report.

We'll keep following this and have more tomorrow...​

UPDATE: US STATE - LEVEL REQUESTS FOR DISEMBARKATION AND TRANSFER TO AIR AMBULANCE WERE DENIED AND THE CRUISE SHIP HAS LEFT BELIZE'S WATERS. THE SHIP TURNED AT 9:00PM, AND AIR AMBULANCE LEFT PGIA AIRPORT.

7 News Belize

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Belize refuses entry to Carnival cruise ship carrying Texas hospital worker who may have handled Ebola victim’s specimen - The Washington Post
 
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The NBC photojournalist with Ebola thinks he became sick after helping clean out a car. Scary to think of the possibility that Ebola can linger on surfaces this way. Frontier Airlines is removing the seat covers and carpet in the immediate vicinity of the infected nurse. Frontier to remove carpet, seat covers in Ebola plane
 
"We control our permission to come here, through visas."
*sigh* that does not force them to stop letting them on the plane there and infecting everyone on the plane. Or going to other countries first.
I will leave it to other sovereign countries to determine what to do. We can stop more ebola-infected from coming here by denying them visas.
 
"Or we can do the very simple thing of refusing to grant permission for people to come here who have been to Ebla country recently."
*sigh* that does not force them to stop letting them on the plane there and infecting everyone on the plane. Or going to other countries first.
Why do you believe this is relevant? We can do what is right. If other nations fail to do the same we can add them to Ebola country. No one has a right to travel to the United States.
 
"Or we can do the very simple thing of refusing to grant permission for people to come here who have been to Ebla country recently."
And then we have Americans on that plane...who are not subject to monitoring ($$$) or quarantine ($$$ and civil rights objections) and the costs of decontaminating entire aircraft for a level 4 virus ($$$) And fewer and fewer people choosing to travel by air for pleasure and business ($$$$) and people at the airlines being laid off ($$$) It could reach that point in less than 2 months, regarding airline losses.
Anyone who has been to Ebola country should be denied entry until after they have exceeded the incubation period of 21 days.

You caused this.
 
The plane may have been decontaminated... But it didn't HAVE to be.

An asymptomatic patient should not be shedding virus. If they are, it's confined to bodily secretions and the infectious potential of those is time sensitive.

Learn something about it before you panic.

Ebola's Incredibly Infectious. Ebola's Also Hard To Catch. Confused? Here's How To Understand. - Forbes
Yeah, learn something before spouting off. Good advice that.

From the CDC:
How long does Ebola live outside the body?
Ebola is killed with hospital-grade disinfectants (such as household bleach). Ebola on dried on surfaces such as doorknobs and countertops can survive for several hours; however, virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

It's utterly irresponsible to suggest the plane didn't have to be decontaminated.
 
What really disgusts me is that they are being *reactionary* instead of proactive.

They have to react to every new problem instead of getting ahead of it.

Even I would have put a no-flight or even no-travel ban on anyone who had worked with the Ebola patient in TX.

People...including apparently the CDC...seem to be very reluctant to impose on people's civil rights and it's long long been known that to curb the spread of disease, that is what it takes. Unpleasant, ugly, even deadly, and certainly opening legal action....it still comes down to that.

I don't think it's an accurate depiction of the CDC - there is nothing that shows the CDC is worried about impinging peoples civil rights. The CDC isn't supposed to be an activist group nor view what they do with personal rights in mind. That is for others to deal with.
 
Yeah, learn something before spouting off. Good advice that.

From the CDC:

It's utterly irresponsible to suggest the plane didn't have to be decontaminated.

It really didnt. Its totally reasonable - a cheap infectious disease control for a potentially lethal virus.

But realistically, as long as you handle the blue ice in the proper way there should be no viable virus on that plane in a few hours. And frankly, there probably was no virus on the plane on the first place - the woman was asymptomatic. She wasnt leaving body fluid all over the place...
 
It really didnt. Its totally reasonable - a cheap infectious disease control for a potentially lethal virus.

But realistically, as long as you handle the blue ice in the proper way there should be no viable virus on that plane in a few hours. And frankly, there probably was no virus on the plane on the first place - the woman was asymptomatic. She wasnt leaving body fluid all over the place...

Apparently you missed this:
...virus in body fluids (such as blood) can survive up to several days at room temperature.

And you'll forgive me if I am skeptical of the word of a dumbass nurse who boarded a plane after being exposed to a critically ill Ebola patient. I don't understand why liberal drones have made this a partisan issue.
 
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