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Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

Lursa said:
Of course I did, I posted it twice and now you have failed twice to show any reasons why it failed except 'na huh!'

Again, see my signature below in green.....we all know what 'na huh!' looks like :mrgreen:
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You have failed. You will continue to fail. You may have the final word.
 
Misterveritis said:
You have failed. You will continue to fail. You may have the final word.
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Lursa said:
Of course I did, I posted it twice and now you have failed twice four times to show any reasons why it failed except 'na huh!'

Again, see my signature below in green.....we all know what 'na huh!' looks like.
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Final word? I doubt it but still....no actual ability to prove me wrong is forthcoming. I can live with that :)
 
Μολὼν λαβέ;1063871056 said:
So that's how the caregivers contracted the disease? :bs
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From what they are saying in the media, it could be from prolonged contact with an improperly worn suit. But they dont know for sure.
 
countryboy said:
From West Africa, yes. Any reason you feel the need to exaggerate?
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Of course not. I really have to write this out?

Those people (not just 'black people' either) from West Africa can come from other airports in other countries too. And buy separate tickets that dont show country of origin.
 
American said:
Don't play dumb about this, if you've even spent a little time watching the news you'd know the CDC director thought every hospital in the country could handle this sort of thing. He even admits he didn't do enough. He's an idiot who doesn't know what he's doing, just like our President. He totally botched this especially now that a second nurse got infected, AFTER THE CDC HAD STEPPED IN. YOU GOT IT NOW???


Ebola nurse Am​ber Vinson called CDC several times before flying - CBS News


Un****ing-believable. :roll:
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Well I cant disagree with that....that overall assumptions were not stringent enough.

But we also dont know that hospitals across the nation had reported their actual readiness or were competent to evaluate that.

As for the woman infected who got on an airplane? She's an idiot and so is everyone in authority at that hospital, including the CDC personnel there.
 
Lursa said:
I also pointed out it is a Level 4 hazard. And the buddy is there to make sure that all protocols, including suiting up and taking off, are done step by step and accurately.

Do you know anything about this?
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Ok, then you know that a "buddy system" is not part of bsl4 protocols.

It's a sealed SCBA, where you leave, get a decontamination shower, then take off the SCBA suit.

The greater point was that this virus is far more contagious than is suggested above about requiring intimate contact.

It's not airborne, but it can be aerosolized, like if the person coughs up blood and a person is exposed to the droplet, the person might just contract the disease.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Ok, then you know that a "buddy system" is not part of bsl4 protocols.

It's a sealed SCBA, where you leave, get a decontamination shower, then take off the SCBA suit.

The greater point was that this virus is far more contagious than is suggested above about requiring intimate contact.

It's not airborne, but it can be aerosolized, like if the person coughs up blood and a person is exposed to the droplet, the person might just contract the disease.
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I dont know that. Are you claiming that in the more controlled facilities, no one is observing the suiting up and decontamination?

But yes, it is more (not far more IMO) contagious than they initially claimed. I always said it could be aeresolized...just need blood in saliva or a sneeze for that but they still need to land on vulnerable areas (mucus membranes, wounds) to infect.

I would like something *definitive* on how long the virus can survive on surfaces...to me, that is the area where they have not been definite. I've read a few things but they all differ. To me...that is a real danger....however it could be the same as for AIDS. Which can be transmitted that way, but almost never (ever) is. Because it's not viable for long outside the body and must be transmitted to a mucus membrane/wound. And still be in great enough numbers of active viral particles.
 
Lursa said:
Of course not. I really have to write this out?

Those people (not just 'black people' either) from West Africa can come from other airports in other countries too. And buy separate tickets that dont show country of origin.
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Has the US stopped requiring people to request a visa to come here, other than on the southern border where undocumented democrats flood across (enterovirus for your children anybody?)?
 
Lursa said:
I dont know that. Are you claiming that in the more controlled facilities, no one is observing the suiting up and decontamination?

But yes, it is more (not far more IMO) contagious than they initially claimed. I always said it could be aeresolized...just need blood in saliva or a sneeze for that but they still need to land on vulnerable areas (mucus membranes, wounds) to infect.

I would like something *definitive* on how long the virus can survive on surfaces...to me, that is the area where they have not been definite. I've read a few things but they all differ. To me...that is a real danger....however it could be the same as for AIDS. Which can be transmitted that way, but almost never (ever) is. Because it's not viable for long outside the body and must be transmitted to a mucus membrane/wound. And still be in great enough numbers of active viral particles.
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Well, it seems we are much closer to agreeing than I though.

And no, a buddy system is not required, though there are supervisors to ensure that the people working in the facility are competent and trained to perform the desired work.

This is a case of the CDC lying to some degree. BSL protocols are publicly available, and if the picture that was shown of the woman's gown is accurate, that's more like BSL2 equipment (I'm not an expert in any sense, just having reread the protocols, and applying logic)

Besides that, I agree. There needs to be more definitive information available.

Our facilities are not going to be able to handle a very big outbreak, if it gets out of control, Obama's executive order where people can be disappeared / quarantined for showing signs of respiratory illness (cough / sneeze).
 
Lursa said:
Of course not. I really have to write this out?

Those people (not just 'black people' either) from West Africa can come from other airports in other countries too. And buy separate tickets that dont show country of origin.
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So we should do nothing concerning travel from Obola infested countries?
 
Misterveritis said:
Has the US stopped requiring people to request a visa to come here, other than on the southern border where undocumented democrats flood across (enterovirus for your children anybody?)?
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Not that I read. They've taken little action at all, beyond recommendations. Most of it needs to happen in other countries where we dont really have control over their ports and airports and if we complain about useless govt workers and bureaucracy here, multiply that by who knows how much in alot of other countries.

It will probably come down to quarantining planes on runways, ships in port. *Americans* sitting on planes for hours or being taken to Q faciilities....against their will? Ugly. The screaming about civil rights will begin. Again, people will stop traveling...with an impact on the economy. They are reporting it today in the news just because of the nurse in Dallas who flew.

Hopefully Ebola will run its course and Q'ing plane loads of people here (I mean beyond 'monitoring like they are doing now) will be a rare occurrence, if it does come to that.
 
countryboy said:
So we should do nothing concerning travel from Obola infested countries?
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I definitely never said that and didnt mean to imply it. I did mean that it's not as simple as people just throw out there....
 
Lursa said:
I definitely never said that and didnt mean to imply it. I did mean that it's not as simple as people just throw out there....
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Actually, it's quite simple. Not sure why you would think otherwise.
 
Is it just me?, or does it seem like liberal progressives want this country to contract this disease?
 
JasperL said:
It's just you.
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So the CDC is now saying that the second nurse SHOULDN'T have been advised to fly on a Commercial airliner

But we're still allowing Flights in from West Africa ?
 
Fenton said:
So the CDC is now saying that the second nurse SHOULDN'T have been advised to fly on a Commercial airliner

But we're still allowing Flights in from West Africa ?
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A reasonable assumption is well meaning, informed people working to stop the spread of ebola while weighing lots of immense trade offs to any approach that might do so will sometimes disagree. An idiotic assumption is that someone who disagrees with YOU or others wants people in this country or anywhere else to get a deadly disease and die.
 
JasperL said:
A reasonable assumption is well meaning, informed people working to stop the spread of ebola while weighing lots of immense trade offs to any approach that might do so will sometimes disagree. An idiotic assumption is that someone who disagrees with YOU or others wants people in this country or anywhere else to get a deadly disease and die.
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I agree, I don't think libs actually want people to die, they just mindlessly follow whatever Obola tells them. Simple partisan hackery.
 
countryboy said:
I agree, I don't think libs actually want people to die, they just mindlessly follow whatever Obola tells them. Simple partisan hackery.
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And others here and elsewhere are partisan hacks and follow what I call Rule #1 - "Obama is always wrong, what is the question?" Using a term like "Obola" is prima facie evidence that you fall into that category.
 
JasperL said:
And others here and elsewhere are partisan hacks and follow what I call Rule #1 - "Obama is always wrong, what is the question?" Using a term like "Obola" is prima facie evidence that you fall into that category.
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It's not partisan hackery if it's true. Obama sucks, get over it.
 
JasperL said:
Using childish labels like "Obola" is self evident partisan hackery. ;)
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Right, and I'm sure you admonish libs equally for using childish labels, right? Oh wait, libs never do that, I forgot. :roll:
 
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