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Texas Health Care Worker Tests Positive for Ebola

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Paranoia? How much do West Africans from Ebola stricken nations contribute to the US economy? Restrictions will keep the disease out. Your attitude about it doesn't.
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Do you want to rethink those statements? I found I had to expand on it for someone else as well. This is not about 'West Africans' and their $$. :doh
 
Lursa said:
Unless you have blood in your boogers and your boogers land on someone's open wound or mucas membrane, then no.
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Clearly it's not as difficult as you suggest or that Texas nurse would not have contracted the disease.
 
BmanMcfly said:
Clearly it's not as difficult as you suggest or that Texas nurse would not have contracted the disease.
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She was in intimate contact with the victim and it's proposed (possible) that her gear was not put on/used properly.

Do we know yet?
 
MMC said:
Reading is fundamental.....that's why they went and decontaminated her apartment and isolated the dog. :doh

Again.....you stated that it didn't leave the hospital. She went home to her apartment.....she was infected. :doh

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And you stated it is spreading from her to others. Absolutely not true.

Next!
 
CRUE CAB said:
Of course he wouldnt hedge the truth to get to the only place he had a chance of living. What was I thinking.
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You're assuming and your assertion is based on heresay.
 
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Misterveritis said:
"Explain it. Why is this in our national interest? Be specific. or don't play the game."

Be specific. Or don't play the game.

C'mon, you can do it standing on your head."

Given that we have no vital national interest it was clear from the beginning that you would be unable to articulate it. That is common sense.
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We have no vital national interest if it comes here? Do you know what it would do to our economy if people are afraid to go out and socialize, work. etc.? It's one of the most pressing threats to our national security out there bar none.

Dude get a clue.
 
Lursa said:
She was in intimate contact with the victim and it's proposed (possible) that her gear was not put on/used properly.

Do we know yet?
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Wearing protective gear that would outright prevent the scenario that was suggested is required to contract the disease.

There's obviously a reason why Ebola is a bsl-4 contagion.
 
It appears that the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas, where a 2nd worker has now tested positive for Ebola, initially lacked proper equipment and training. From The Washington Post:

The CDC’s Rollin, who spent nearly three months in West Africa fighting the Ebola outbreak, and who has studied Ebola for three decades, flew to Dallas on Sunday and held intensive discussions with doctors and nurses at the hospital about how they had handled the Duncan case.

He said the hospital originally had no full-body biohazard suits equipped with respirators but now has about a dozen. Protocols evolved at the hospital while Duncan was being treated, he said: “Collecting samples, with needles, then you have to have two people, one to watch. I think when the patient arrived they didn’t have someone to watch.”

Dallas hospital learned its Ebola protocols while struggling to save mortally ill patient - The Washington Post
 
donsutherland1 said:
It appears that the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas, where a 2nd worker has now tested positive for Ebola, initially lacked proper equipment and training. From The Washington Post:

The CDC’s Rollin, who spent nearly three months in West Africa fighting the Ebola outbreak, and who has studied Ebola for three decades, flew to Dallas on Sunday and held intensive discussions with doctors and nurses at the hospital about how they had handled the Duncan case.

He said the hospital originally had no full-body biohazard suits equipped with respirators but now has about a dozen. Protocols evolved at the hospital while Duncan was being treated, he said: “Collecting samples, with needles, then you have to have two people, one to watch. I think when the patient arrived they didn’t have someone to watch.”

Dallas hospital learned its Ebola protocols while struggling to save mortally ill patient - The Washington Post
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This failure rests squarely on the CDC. They were suppose to be there to see that protocols were implemented and followed.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
And you stated it is spreading from her to others. Absolutely not true.

Next!
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I do not vouch for the source, but your claim may have been premature.

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In addition.
Though not attributable to her, and as mentioned above, just a different source.


2nd health care worker tests positive for Ebola at Dallas hospital
By Holly Yan, CNN
updated 6:18 AM EDT, Wed October 15, 2014

2nd Dallas worker tests positive for Ebola - CNN.com​
 
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donsutherland1 said:
It appears that the Texas Health Presbyterian Hospital Dallas, where a 2nd worker has now tested positive for Ebola, initially lacked proper equipment and training. From The Washington Post:

The CDC’s Rollin, who spent nearly three months in West Africa fighting the Ebola outbreak, and who has studied Ebola for three decades, flew to Dallas on Sunday and held intensive discussions with doctors and nurses at the hospital about how they had handled the Duncan case.

He said the hospital originally had no full-body biohazard suits equipped with respirators but now has about a dozen. Protocols evolved at the hospital while Duncan was being treated, he said: “Collecting samples, with needles, then you have to have two people, one to watch. I think when the patient arrived they didn’t have someone to watch.”

Dallas hospital learned its Ebola protocols while struggling to save mortally ill patient - The Washington Post
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This is the CDC's fault, not the Hospitals or the health workers. It was THEIR PROTOCOLS.

They still haven't determined how the Nurse contracted the virus.
 
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That hasn't stopped anybody from blaming the nurse for not following whatever the protocols are.
 
American said:
This failure rests squarely on the CDC. They were suppose to be there to see that protocols were implemented and followed.
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Look at this White House asks for $30M for CDC's Ebola efforts They are saying that the ebola spread is crazy and they need money to fight ebola in africa back in the begining of september, before patient zero

“We have quarantine stations at all the major ports of entry,” he said. People cannot transmit Ebola to others unless they are sick, and Ebola makes you so sick that it’s pretty obvious pretty quickly, Frieden said. A traveler will be flagged by the flight crew and if someone gets sick after arrival in the U.S. they will almost certainly seek medical care.

“Ebola poses little risk to the U.S. general population,” Frieden said. “Ebola is spread as people get sicker and sicker. They have fever and may develop serious symptoms.” Ebola doesn’t spread through the air like measles. People who get sick are family members or healthcare workers in prolonged and close contact with victims. - Tom frieden on NBC Ebola Outbreak 'Not in the Cards' for U.S., CDC Director Says - NBC News


There are only 19 level 4 bio-containment beds in the United States | Ready Nutrition

"First and foremost, I want the American people to know that our experts, here at the CDC and across our government, agree that the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low. We’ve been taking the necessary precautions, including working with countries in West Africa to increase screening at airports so that someone with the virus doesn’t get on a plane for the United States. In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores, we’ve taken new measures so that we’re prepared here at home. We’re working to help flight crews identify people who are sick, and more labs across our country now have the capacity to quickly test for the virus. We’re working with hospitals to make sure that they are prepared, and to ensure that our doctors, our nurses and our medical staff are trained, are ready, and are able to deal with a possible case safely." - Barack Obama september -16 Remarks by the President on the Ebola Outbreak | The White House

Do you honostly think that any of these people are going to be held responsible for the complete incompatence. We have no way in dealing with Ebola and OBAMA is planning on spending 750 million dollars on the military to go "fight ebola" when we only have 19 level four beds here in america? U.S. military will lead $750 million fight against Ebola in West Africa - The Washington Post


Hopefully this does not kill alot of people in america, as the tragedy of those who have died in africa, but how many deaths will it take until somone is actually fired?
 
nota bene said:
That hasn't stopped anybody from blaming the nurse for not following whatever the protocols are.
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They have to blame her.

The only other alternative for them is to blame the CDC or Obama's appointment to the CDC, which they won't do because it makes Obama look bad.
 
Libertie76 said:
Look at this White House asks for $30M for CDC's Ebola efforts They are saying that the ebola spread is crazy and they need money to fight ebola in africa back in the begining of september, before patient zero

“We have quarantine stations at all the major ports of entry,” he said. People cannot transmit Ebola to others unless they are sick, and Ebola makes you so sick that it’s pretty obvious pretty quickly, Frieden said. A traveler will be flagged by the flight crew and if someone gets sick after arrival in the U.S. they will almost certainly seek medical care.

“Ebola poses little risk to the U.S. general population,” Frieden said. “Ebola is spread as people get sicker and sicker. They have fever and may develop serious symptoms.” Ebola doesn’t spread through the air like measles. People who get sick are family members or healthcare workers in prolonged and close contact with victims. - Tom frieden on NBC Ebola Outbreak 'Not in the Cards' for U.S., CDC Director Says - NBC News


There are only 19 level 4 bio-containment beds in the United States | Ready Nutrition

"First and foremost, I want the American people to know that our experts, here at the CDC and across our government, agree that the chances of an Ebola outbreak here in the United States are extremely low. We’ve been taking the necessary precautions, including working with countries in West Africa to increase screening at airports so that someone with the virus doesn’t get on a plane for the United States. In the unlikely event that someone with Ebola does reach our shores, we’ve taken new measures so that we’re prepared here at home. We’re working to help flight crews identify people who are sick, and more labs across our country now have the capacity to quickly test for the virus. We’re working with hospitals to make sure that they are prepared, and to ensure that our doctors, our nurses and our medical staff are trained, are ready, and are able to deal with a possible case safely." - Barack Obama september -16 Remarks by the President on the Ebola Outbreak | The White House

Do you honostly think that any of these people are going to be held responsible for the complete incompatence. We have no way in dealing with Ebola and OBAMA is planning on spending 750 million dollars on the military to go "fight ebola" when we only have 19 level four beds here in america? U.S. military will lead $750 million fight against Ebola in West Africa - The Washington Post


Hopefully this does not kill alot of people in america, as the tragedy of those who have died in africa, but how many deaths will it take until somone is actually fired?
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Examples here of money-squandering and links to more: President Obama Already Has An Ebola Czar. Where Is She?

One of the links: The Facts About Ebola Funding - Gov. Bobby Jindal - POLITICO Magazine
 
" The chances of a Ebola Outbreak are extremely low "....

President Obama
 
American said:
This failure rests squarely on the CDC. They were suppose to be there to see that protocols were implemented and followed.
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Just so it's clear, I'm not blaming the hospital. It appears that the hospital did the best that it could under very challenging circumstances where equipment and training were lacking. That some initial errors occurred e.g., lack of full comminication of the initial patient's presence in Liberia, does not change this. Moreover, the CDC has now accepted some responsibility. From The Washington Post:

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the agency regretted its initial response to the first Ebola diagnosis in the United States, acknowledging that more could have been done to combat infection at the hospital treating the patient.

“We did send some expertise in infection control,” Thomas Frieden said during a news conference Tuesday. “But I think we could, in retrospect, with 20/20 hindsight, have sent a more robust hospital infection control team and been more hands-on with the hospital from day one about exactly how this should be managed.”

CDC director: We could have done more to prevent second Ebola infection in Texas - The Washington Post

IMO, the U.S. and other countries would do best to learn from what happened, develop more robust approaches so that hospitals are prepared for dangerous viruses, assure that hospitals have the equipment they need, etc. Almost certainly, the U.S. and/or other countries will face a pandemic of some kind--maybe not in our lifetimes, but at some point in the future--be it from natural events, accident, biological attack, etc.
 
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Lursa said:
Do you want to rethink those statements? I found I had to expand on it for someone else as well. This is not about 'West Africans' and their $$. :doh
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Of course you failed in your explanation.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
We have no vital national interest if it comes here? Do you know what it would do to our economy if people are afraid to go out and socialize, work. etc.? It's one of the most pressing threats to our national security out there bar none.

Dude get a clue.
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Two things, prevent potentially ebola exposed people from coming here. You do not want to take this simple, precautionary step. The One has not told you it is okay to be sensible yet. Second of two things, you have still not made your case for the vital national interest that compelled The One to give the order, between rounds of golf, to send 4,000 precious American troops to ebola country.

Why haven't you?
 
EnigmaO01 said:
And you stated it is spreading from her to others. Absolutely not true.

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I never said it was spreading from her to others.....Show us where this was said to you.

I pointed out you were wrong about the disease not leaving the hospital.

Not even BO peep can help you with lying.
 
donsutherland1 said:
Just so it's clear, I'm not blaming the hospital. It appears that the hospital did the best that it could under very challenging circumstances where equipment and training were lacking. That some initial errors occurred e.g., lack of full comminication of the initial patient's presence in Liberia, does not change this. Moreover, the CDC has now accepted some responsibility. From The Washington Post:

The director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention said the agency regretted its initial response to the first Ebola diagnosis in the United States, acknowledging that more could have been done to combat infection at the hospital treating the patient.

“We did send some expertise in infection control,” Thomas Frieden said during a news conference Tuesday. “But I think we could, in retrospect, with 20/20 hindsight, have sent a more robust hospital infection control team and been more hands-on with the hospital from day one about exactly how this should be managed.”

CDC director: We could have done more to prevent second Ebola infection in Texas - The Washington Post

IMO, the U.S. and other countries would do best to learn from what happened, develop more robust approaches so that hospitals are prepared for dangerous viruses, assure that hospitals have the equipment they need, etc. Almost certainly, the U.S. and/or other countries will face a pandemic of some kind--maybe not in our lifetimes, but at some point in the future--be it from natural events, accident, biological attack, etc.
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Knowing how deadly this virus is should have raised red flags and set off huge alarms at the CDC. Frieden's confessions are galactic understatements to say the least. People are dying because of CDC negligence. In the case of this particular virus, it's really criminal negligence.
 
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