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South Carolina Supreme Court Halts Same-Sex Marriage Licenses

Paleocon said:
I can't help it if you don't know what words mean.

Ontology - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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That's an extremely simple definition. You have completely denied even reading the 2 I posted earlier in the thread. That is very odd...can you explain why you ignored them?
Did you understand what the words meant?


Lursa said:
This was a direct quote:

Ontological argument:

: an argument for the existence of God based upon the meaning of the term God

Here's the link: Ontological argument - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary


We can go with this one too, which also is explicitly about hierarchies of existence:

Ontology is the philosophical study of the nature of being, becoming, existence, or reality, as well as the basic categories of being and their relations. Traditionally listed as a part of the major branch of philosophy known as metaphysics, ontology deals with questions concerning what entities exist or can be said to exist, and how such entities can be grouped, related within a hierarchy, and subdivided according to similarities and differences.

Ontology - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


It all comes back to a higher authority running the show. Your denial is clear dishonesty. What does your 'higher authority' think about lying?
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roguenuke said:
This is like saying that mixed children are stigmatized by their families for making them believe that interracial relationships are normal and that mixed children's stigmatization (which still does exist in some places) is due to their parents, not those who are simply being taught to hate others based on who their parents are, to stigmatize, tease, or ostracize others based on who their parents are.
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No it's not and you are smart enough to know it.
 
roguenuke said:
"Horrible example for our young people" would be a subjective assessment and therefore meaningless. And you cannot turn someone gay by mentoring them or setting an example for them.
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Any more subjective than allowing Gays to redefine marriage? Or that Gay deserve special rights?

This whole Gays rights issue is subjective. (based om emotion)

Yes it does effect a parent/child relationship when public schools and the media make kids feel that they have to accept Gays or be called names. (stigmatized)
 
Lursa said:
Once people like you die out....aging away...those generations with such prejudices will be gone and that stigma will disappear.

As it is disappearing for interracial marriage... but sadly, not gone.
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Despising an abomination is not prejudice. It's following the word of the Lord.

That will never "die out"

THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NOT ALLOW THE ABOMINATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY TO GO UNCHALLENGED AND UNPUNISHED. Unless something is done to stop the moral degeneration, America would do well to prepare for the inevitable, divine expulsion.

Apologetics Press - The Founders on Homosexuality
 
WCH said:
Despising an abomination is not prejudice. It's following the word of the Lord.

That will never "die out"

THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NOT ALLOW THE ABOMINATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY TO GO UNCHALLENGED AND UNPUNISHED. Unless something is done to stop the moral degeneration, America would do well to prepare for the inevitable, divine expulsion.

Apologetics Press - The Founders on Homosexuality
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Not murder? Rape? War? Genocide? Homosexuality is what will bring God's wrath?
 
WCH said:
Any more subjective than allowing Gays to redefine marriage? Or that Gay deserve special rights?

This whole Gays rights issue is subjective. (based om emotion)

Yes it does effect a parent/child relationship when public schools and the media make kids feel that they have to accept Gays or be called names. (stigmatized)
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gays and the huge crowd of hetero sexuals who support ssm now ty very much only its not a special right you can get married to another guy if you want

you cant explain why homosexuality is wrong no one can so many have tried sorry but what names do you not want t be called and why are they not accurate?
 
WCH said:
Despising an abomination is not prejudice. It's following the word of the Lord.

That will never "die out"

THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NOT ALLOW THE ABOMINATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY TO GO UNCHALLENGED AND UNPUNISHED. Unless something is done to stop the moral degeneration, America would do well to prepare for the inevitable, divine expulsion.

Apologetics Press - The Founders on Homosexuality
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you still don't have evidence that their is a god and that the god is murder happy homophobic jack ass

if your going to use your faith alone to condemn people then your evil and you deserve only contempt
 
Deuce said:
Not murder? Rape? War? Genocide? Homosexuality is what will bring God's wrath?
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those are all in good fun like slavery god will let those slide apparently
 
Just another procedural stay? What is the big deal?
 
CriticalThought said:
Just another procedural stay? What is the big deal?
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well gay marriage and homosexuality is teh evil so any actions against it are a valiant stand o the righteous against the oncoming tide of der darkness and corruption that threatens to destroy us all because reasons

god, its yucky, state rights, unnatural, :2bigcry: :2bigcry: :2bigcry:
 
Paleocon said:
I can't help it if you don't know what words mean.

Ontology - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster Dictionary
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You do not get what we mean. It is just another belief system that you seem to want others to subscribe to and create law around it. Your beliefs are duly noted and are irrelevant to the application of law.

I am not sure how to get you to understand that your belief system is yours to enjoy and not force on others.

In terms of law, marriage is essentially a contract between two people. Just like a normal contract, it can be dissolved.

If your faith may not allow you to get divorced, that is fine. You can still get divorced LEGALLY, but you of course will have divorce may be problematic with your church - but that is not going to stop the government from allowing the divorce. Your metaphysical idealization of divorce is yours to own.
 
WCH said:
Any more subjective than allowing Gays to redefine marriage? Or that Gay deserve special rights?

This whole Gays rights issue is subjective. (based om emotion)

Yes it does effect a parent/child relationship when public schools and the media make kids feel that they have to accept Gays or be called names. (stigmatized)
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You mean like they did to bastards? We got over that thru education and acceptance in the schools. You mean like they did to the kids of broken divorced homes? We got over that thru education and acceptance in the schools. You mean like they did/do to the kids of interracial couples? We're getting over that thru education and acceptance. It's all about overcoming ignorance. It's nice if it starts in the schools if the ignorant parents cant manage it.

And 'marriage' or not...the children of gay parents arent 'going anywhere.' They are and will be part of our society.
 
WCH said:
No it's not and you are smart enough to know it.
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Yes it is. You simply don't want to recognize this fact because you do not agree with same sex couples raising children.
 
WCH said:
Despising an abomination is not prejudice. It's following the word of the Lord.

That will never "die out"

THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NOT ALLOW THE ABOMINATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY TO GO UNCHALLENGED AND UNPUNISHED. Unless something is done to stop the moral degeneration, America would do well to prepare for the inevitable, divine expulsion.

Apologetics Press - The Founders on Homosexuality
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Why should your hate and intolerance and ignorance be the law of the land? Please explain that.
 
WCH said:
Any more subjective than allowing Gays to redefine marriage? Or that Gay deserve special rights?

This whole Gays rights issue is subjective. (based om emotion)

Yes it does effect a parent/child relationship when public schools and the media make kids feel that they have to accept Gays or be called names. (stigmatized)
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There is no "defining" going on in reality. Legal marriage isn't changing its function at all. It is still used to make two people legal spouses with each other.

No, it doesn't legitimately affect the parent/child relationship unless people like you teach your children or other children that there is something wrong with kids who are raised by same sex parents. But if you are talking about the other children, too bad. They need to learn to accept that people are different, despite what their parents or their church/religion may be pushing them toward.
 
year2late said:
You do not get what we mean. It is just another belief system that you seem to want others to subscribe to and create law around it. Your beliefs are duly noted and are irrelevant to the application of law.

I am not sure how to get you to understand that your belief system is yours to enjoy and not force on others.

In terms of law, marriage is essentially a contract between two people. Just like a normal contract, it can be dissolved.

If your faith may not allow you to get divorced, that is fine. You can still get divorced LEGALLY, but you of course will have divorce may be problematic with your church - but that is not going to stop the government from allowing the divorce. Your metaphysical idealization of divorce is yours to own.
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I understand the current system. I just think it horrible.
 
Paleocon said:
I understand the current system. I just think it horrible.
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Your system sounds horrible and tyrannical, with no respect for free will. It is the opposite of what our Founding Fathers desired.

However it is so far from their precepts that I'm not worried about it being implemented here.
 
WCH said:
Despising an abomination is not prejudice. It's following the word of the Lord.

That will never "die out"

THE GOD OF THE BIBLE WILL NOT ALLOW THE ABOMINATION OF HOMOSEXUALITY TO GO UNCHALLENGED AND UNPUNISHED. Unless something is done to stop the moral degeneration, America would do well to prepare for the inevitable, divine expulsion.

Apologetics Press - The Founders on Homosexuality
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And this...boys and girls...is why we have a separation of church and state.
 
Deuce said:
Wait, are you suggesting someone will try to force a real estate salesman to make a wedding cake? And you think anti-discrimination laws would require them to make a wedding cake?
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No, I am saying that when retailers refuse to make a wedding cake for ANYBODY, what are you going to do, force them?

Scenario: The best baker/photographer/caterer in town is a Christian. He/she no longer does weddings because of this crap, but his/her work is still highly prized.

What are you going to do, force him to serve you?
 
it's just me said:
1.)No, I am saying that when retailers refuse to make a wedding cake for ANYBODY, what are you going to do, force them?
2.)Scenario: The best baker/photographer/caterer in town is a Christian. He/she no longer does weddings because of this crap, but his/her work is still highly prized.
3.)What are you going to do, force him to serve you?
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1.) nobody is being forced now and nobody will be forced for the made up scenario
2.) not doing wedding cakes is perfectly legal, doesnt break the law nor infringe on the rights of others
3.) cant force them to serve you just like they cant be forced to serve now.

do you understand the law and rights? you scenario has nothing to do with illegal discrimination and rights violations.
 
it's just me said:
No, I am saying that when retailers refuse to make a wedding cake for ANYBODY, what are you going to do, force them?

Scenario: The best baker/photographer/caterer in town is a Christian. He/she no longer does weddings because of this crap, but his/her work is still highly prized.

What are you going to do, force him to serve you?
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if they wont work with you on what they still do because your gay punishing them seems to be the right thing to do

if they give up serving every one in the way they refuse you that's seems fair

**** those bigots
 
it's just me said:
Why should yours?
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intolerance of groundless intolerance seems like a good thing

for example

your bad because I believe you are what you do is wrong because I believe it is!

no reason to put up with that kind of bull **** from the government or those you do business with
 
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