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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News

The Kansas chapter of the United Auto Workers union is using its website to draw attention to GM workers who choose not to pay union dues.

UAW Local 31 dedicates an entire page of its website to listing the names and work stations of employees who have opted to exercise their rights not to be in the union. UAW Local 31 lists nearly 30 workers at the Fairfax, Kansas GM plant who are not in the union. The “Scab List” is published under the union website’s “Important Information” section.
Local 31 president Vicki Hale did not respond to request for comment.
Glenn Taubmann, a lawyer at the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, said that scab lists are used to pressure workers into joining the union. The use of their personal information and where they can be found in the plant make them easy targets for harassment and intimidation.

The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.
 
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The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.

Are you implying non union workers could face harassment or their tires being slashed or their homes being vandalized? This has never happened before!:lol:
 
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The line you bolded is misleading. The Scab List contains the workers name and the dept they work in.

And you don't have a problem with that?
 
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I'm tolerant of this. Scabs should be treated with the contempt they deserve.
 
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The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.

Well, there's no personal infomration, just their neams and department numbers; SCAB LIST So it looks like Fox News is lying again.

Frankly, I think those people should be shamed.
 
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I'm tolerant of this. Scabs should be treated with the contempt they deserve.

And how do they "desire contempt" exactly?
 
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And you don't have a problem with that?

I don't know what you mean by "problem", but I don't think Fox should publish misleading claims
 
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Well, there's no personal infomration, just their neams and department numbers; SCAB LIST So it looks like Fox News is lying again.

Frankly, I think those people should be shamed.

Try reading the article again. No one said they posted personal information in this specific instance. The lawyer with the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation said that unions do this, not that they did this in this specific instance, and he is correct.

So are you going to address the article or the topic or are you just here to bash FOX News because of a damning story about union activities?
 
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And how do they "desire contempt" exactly?

By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.
 
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I don't know what you mean by "problem", but I don't think Fox should publish misleading claims

See post 9, they did not such thing. And I'll ask you the same question I posed to the other FOX News basher, are you going to address the article or the topic or are you just here to bash FOX News because of a damning story about union activities?
 
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Try reading the article again. No one said they posted personal information in this specific instance. The lawyer with the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation said that unions do this, not that they did this in this specific instance, and he is correct.

So are you going to address the article or the topic or are you just here to bash FOX News because of a damning story about union activities?

Can you show that there's any Scab List which lists "personal information" other than a dept # or where they work?
 
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By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.

So by your own logic, the poor and unemployed are taking advantage of the protections and benefits taxpayers provide without paying for them right? And that would make the parasites too right?
 
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See post 9, they did not such thing. And I'll ask you the same question I posed to the other FOX News basher, are you going to address the article or the topic or are you just here to bash FOX News because of a damning story about union activities?

By pointing out misleading info contained in the article, I *am* addressing the article.

So by your own logic, the poor and unemployed are taking advantage of the protections and benefits taxpayers provide without paying for them right? And that would make the parasites too right?

Both the poor and the unemployed pay taxes.
 
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And how do they "desire contempt" exactly?

Dey Terk Er JERB!!!!


Seriously. Using violence and the threat of violence to take money from others is wrong.....

Unless you do it in a union.

How does that make sense. ?
 
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By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.

I think you are thinking of "freeriders". People who come in and work are called "employees". People who do so while a union is busy throwing a fit about something are derisively called "scabs", but they aren't taking advantage of the Union's benefits, but rather of its stupidity and damage.
 
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Both the poor and the unemployed pay taxes.

Having been low income, I can happily say that that is bogus - my tax rate was sharply negative for several years.
 
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As unions continue to lose support with workers, they will continue to try and hold tighter on what little they have left. Such strong arm tactics aren't unusual - years ago when I was a CWA shop steward names of people who did not sign up for picket duty were confronted, pictures of scabs were taken and handed out at the picket line and yes, if possible their cars were targets of "accidents" if possible. Of course I was not told who or what exactly occurred and the union would NEVER sanction such retaliation .... :roll:

There has always been a violent undertone to such tactics which is why picket crosser's are called scabs in the first place. They're just like everyone else with families, kids and bills to pay. Most places do nor require nor benefit from unions these days. It's an archaic labor method that's outlived it's usefulness in most cases. But I will admit there still may be areas where unions could be beneficial - I just don't know of them.
 
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Sub’s Town Plastered with Scab Flyers | fox8.com

This was actually worse than just posting a scab list. They went to the neighborhood where these people lived and did this.

This reminds me of the reporter a while back who posted the addresses of all the gun-owners in a state, and was then horrified when someone responded by posting his address.


I'm thinking, it's FOIA time on public monitoring, such as traffic cameras and the like. I'll betcha we can find out who's posting these fliers, and then we can let everyone who thinks that this is abusive know where they live, where their children go to school, etc. :)
 
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By pointing out misleading info contained in the article, I *am* addressing the article.
There was nothing misleading about the article, only the rush to attack the source due to a preconceived disposition of the poster (that would be you).

Both the poor and the unemployed pay taxes.
Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement or are you going to stick with the lie?
 
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I'm tolerant of this. Scabs should be treated with the contempt they deserve.


LOL !!

Well ofcourse you are.

Why the left advocates " tolerance " and pushes the false narrative of intolerance, true tolerance for your average Liberal has never been about tolerating anything more than what they believe in.
 
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Well, there's no personal infomration, just their neams and department numbers;

Ummm....

A persons name is considered Personally Identifiable Information. I'm pretty sure what department of a business you work in would also qualify as PII
 
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The line you bolded is misleading. The Scab List contains the workers name and the dept they work in.

What was misleading about it?

Did it include their name? Yes, by showing their name

Did it include where they work in the plant? Yes, by showing their department

Does it make them easy targets for intimidation or harassment? Yes, since it allows people to know who they are and what department they're in thus making it easier to find them and know they're a "Scab"

Does it mean they WILL be targets of intimidation or harassment? No, but the line didn't suggest they WILL become targets, only that it makes them easy targets.

Considering the story goes on to say

“The following individuals are NON-dues paying workers. They have chosen to STOP paying Union Dues and still reap the rewards of your negotiated benefits,” the Tennessee “Scab Report” said. “If you work near one of these people listed please explain the importance of Solidarity and the power of collective bargaining.”

And "Harassment" is defined in the oxford dictionary as an "aggressive pressure or intimidation", it definitely seems that the notion that it makes them easy target for harassment is not "misleading". The report itself is indicating that the names and departments are given for the purpose of letting people know who/where these people are so that if they "work near" one of them they can pressure them about the importance of being in the Union.

What was misleading about it?
 
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