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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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There is always someone willing to work for less, especially with a glut of workers. That does not mean workers should be exploited.

there are too many laws these days. Minimum wage, etc. the leftwing often believes anyone making less than 100K a year is being exploited.

is it wrong for someone to offer to work for less in order to get the job

I go shopping for a car. Joe's cars offers me a car for 35K. I tell the salesman at Dave's Cars what Joe's best offer was. he offers me a car of equivalent value for 32,500. sounds like free contracting to me

Am I exploiting Dave's cars? or is Dave exploiting Joe's cars?

Liberals seem to have real issues with adults being able to make adult decisions. then again, if everyone was treated and acted like an adult, many liberal policies would evaporate as useless
 
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wrong again
Strikebreaker - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


the main definition

A strikebreaker (sometimes derogatorily called a scab, blackleg, or knobstick) is a person who works despite an ongoing strike. Strikebreakers are usually individuals who are not employed by the company prior to the trade union dispute, but rather hired after or during the strike to keep the organization running.

my great grandfather, my grandfather and then my father ran a heavy manufacturing business. It was unionized. in 1937 there was a massive strike. My grandfather hired non union workers to keep the company going. There was a picture of my grandfather standing by the gate of the company holding a thompson machine gun to protect the workers from union thugs. BTW FDR made striking against this business illegal a few years later since it was a deemed an "essential wartime industry"

but the "Scabs" were non union workers

Your right in that workers who take over union workers jobs are also called scabs. It could be used toward other union members who cross the line too.
 
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You posted the definition of 'strikebreaker' to prove you're right about the definition of 'scab'!!! :lamo

you need to read better. what is the first line of the definition I posted

A strikebreaker (sometimes derogatorily called a scab,
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

there are too many laws these days. Minimum wage, etc. the leftwing often believes anyone making less than 100K a year is being exploited.

is it wrong for someone to offer to work for less in order to get the job

I go shopping for a car. Joe's cars offers me a car for 35K. I tell the salesman at Dave's Cars what Joe's best offer was. he offers me a car of equivalent value for 32,500. sounds like free contracting to me

Am I exploiting Dave's cars? or is Dave exploiting Joe's cars?

Liberals seem to have real issues with adults being able to make adult decisions. then again, if everyone was treated and acted like an adult, many liberal policies would evaporate as useless

This is called hyperbole.
 
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Your right in that workers who take over union workers jobs are also called scabs. It could be used toward other union members who cross the line too.

that is a secondary definition. the most common definition involves people who are hired by the company to break a strike by crossing the picket lines and working. Its the most common way of breaking a strike. The second most common way is called a lock out. and the last way (short of capitulation or compromise) is court action. Lock outs are often used in cases where the company can withstand a shut down for a longer period of time than the workers can be out of work
 
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This is called hyperbole.

its called reality. Liberals constantly see themselves as parents ready to tell ignorant children what is best for them.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

that is a secondary definition. the most common definition involves people who are hired by the company to break a strike by crossing the picket lines and working. Its the most common way of breaking a strike. The second most common way is called a lock out. and the last way (short of capitulation or compromise) is court action. Lock outs are often used in cases where the company can withstand a shut down for a longer period of time than the workers can be out of work

These people are harming the union workers.
 
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its called reality. Liberals constantly see themselves as parents ready to tell ignorant children what is best for them.

I doubt unions see themselves as parents.
 
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I was referring to those who work in shops where they get all the same exact benefits of their union counterparts but pay nothing in return. The other members of that group pick up the tab.

those non-members are still required to pay for representation.... they just don't have to pay full dues. ( they pay agency fees or association fees, which are less than the full member dues)

it's a myth that non-members don't pay anything.. the whole "free-rider" thing is pretty much a myth

I don't see why any worker would pay for more than the "agency fees"...paying for your representation is fine, but unions only use a small portion of their revenues for representation... some as little as 10%, some as much as 30%.... the rest goes to overhead, political contributions, gifts , grants, and employees of the union
 
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I doubt unions see themselves as parents.

How many local presidents have you known :mrgreen:

I am talking about often wealthy liberals and academics who whine about "exploitation"
 
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These people are harming the union workers.

they are doing what they need to do-help themselves. Nothing wrong with that. If unionists won't work, someone else ought to
 
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those non-members are still required to pay for representation.... they just don't have to pay full dues. ( they pay agency fees or association fees, which are less than the full member dues)

it's a myth that non-members don't pay anything.. the whole "free-rider" thing is pretty much a myth

I don't see why any worker would pay for more than the "agency fees"...paying for your representation is fine, but unions only use a small portion of their revenues for representation... some as little as 10%, some as much as 30%.... the rest goes to overhead, political contributions, gifts , grants, and employees of the union

Negotiating higher wages and benefits does come with a cost and depleting money from dues hurts unions politically and that is the true intent.
 
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they are doing what they need to do-help themselves. Nothing wrong with that. If unionists won't work, someone else ought to

So, they take the job and are willing to at a lower cost. It does nothing to higher the living standards of workers.
 
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Union workers

A worker cannot feed off of another worker unless some of the union workers pay goes to the non union worker.

What exactly is the non union worker taking from the union worker?
 
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A worker cannot feed off of another worker unless some of the union workers pay goes to the non union worker.

What exactly is the non union worker taking from the union worker?

All the benefits of the union worker without the same costs.
 
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All the benefits of the union worker without the same costs.

Again no financial loss to the union worker.
 
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Negotiating higher wages and benefits does come with a cost and depleting money from dues hurts unions politically and that is the true intent.

yes it comes with a cost, a cost that is shared by all workers represented ( by either member dues or non-member agency fees)

so in reality, you have no complaint. other than " non members should have to pay for the unions political contributions and expenditures unrelated to representation just like members do"


believe me, union revenues are fine, unions are literally swimming in money... and spend very little of it on worker representation.
 
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So, they take the job and are willing to at a lower cost. It does nothing to higher the living standards of workers.

it does plenty to raise the standards of the guy who now has a job
 
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Again no financial loss to the union worker.

In 24 right to work states it is because they can receive representation without paying an agency fee or union fees.
 
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yes it comes with a cost, a cost that is shared by all workers represented ( by either member dues or non-member agency fees)

so in reality, you have no complaint. other than " non members should have to pay for the unions political contributions and expenditures unrelated to representation just like members do"


believe me, union revenues are fine, unions are literally swimming in money... and spend very little of it on worker representation.

Right to work laws are making it harder for unions to to effective.
 
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Right to work laws are making it harder for unions to to effective.

that's one of the reasons I support RTW laws
 
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Not really if people are willing to be exploited.

I think the person taking the job is in the best position to decide that
 
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I think the person taking the job is in the best position to decide that

Many people who are desperate will work under the most deplorable conditions, but that doesn't make it right by saying "they chose to do it".
 
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