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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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clownboy said:
You cannot duck that it is the closed shop model you are arguing for. [...]
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Clearly you have no idea what a closed shop even is, even after looking it up on Wikipedia. Have a nice day :2wave:
 
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jet57 said:
A scab is like someone coming into youtr house anad stealing food out of your refridgerator and freezer as well as stealing your money. If their weren't such deplorable people in the world, contracts would be settled and scabs woudn't exist. It's when mean spirited interlopers jump into something that's none of their business and then short circut their own abilities to get decent wages anad benefits all the while cutting the throats of those who are in the fight for such wages and benefits that guys get pissed off.

And they should get pissed off. What would you do when someone with bad intent rushed your house to steal from you?
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You forgot to end that rant with WORKERS OF THE WORLD UNITE
 
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jet57 said:
I must agree with you on the use of the word scab for a nonunion shop. If that is their choice, then so be it. It would interesrting to find out about any organizing drives though.
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doesn't matter Fair labour trade act says that unions cannot force people to join the union. even if there is a place of business that has a union people that prefer not to work for the union are still not scabs.

what the union is doing is illegal and they are creating a hostile work enviroment which is also illegal.
 
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Thrilla said:
[...] you calling his workers "scabs" is entirely predicated on the union presence of neighboring properties.... and now you are trying to tell me union presence on other properties doesn't change things?? [...]
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No. That's what you told yourself. I can't compete with the imaginary voices
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so :2wave:
 
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Meister said:
NALC branch 1100 for 10 years, shop steward for 2.
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National Association of Letter Carriers. The people who deliver the mail. As opposed to say the APWU

and then there was my favorite group to deal with-the "National Alliance" which was not a CBU but had status for filing EEOC or representing workers in the USPS. For the most part the NALC was ok but they didn't have much use for LCs who worked too hard and "stole" overtime from the others
 
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jet57 said:
I must agree with you on the use of the word scab for a nonunion shop. If that is their choice, then so be it. It would interesrting to find out about any organizing drives though.
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the Culinary union has been protesting out front since the openings (until the courts shut them down recently for blocking public acess)... and there are trying their damnedest to get in the door, but the workers aren't biting.. unions don't have anything to offer ( yet)

it's really got nothing to do with adelson's beliefs ( he can't keep unions out if the workers want them in)... there is simply no incentive to let them in, the workers are better off than every other property in town.

he's not the first guy to keep unions at bay by keeping workers happy... he won't be the last.
unionistas, by all rights, should be happy about this... but for some reason, they get all pissy <shrugs>
 
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Meister said:
To me, unions are a dinosaur.....that should 'splain things to you, son.
Probably why your numbers are diminishing, another generation or two
unions will be totally irrelevent.
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they will only remain in government environments where the labor cannot be subcontracted out. AFSCME is one of the worst going
 
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Karl said:
No. That's what you told yourself. I can't compete with the imaginary voices
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so :2wave:
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so go ahead and stick to you incorrect argument of those workers being scabs..... I don't mind you being wrong.
 
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ChezC3 said:
Scabs should be harassed and intimidated. It is an affront to every working man out there that you've got people who'll bottom feed and piss on all the work and effort that has gone in to organized labor.

As I said in an earlier post, The Right to Work For Less crowd's take on this is completely hypocritical. They'd gladly let union busting, employer intimidation, and use of the police to further the ends of the employer but then when not even a fraction of their tactics are used by the other side, they get all indignant, all, --"Why I NEVER?!?!? This must be stopped, those poor people!!"

I mean get bent, seriously...
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and those who harass them should be arrested, indicted, convicted and jailed and if they get violent, shot and killed. There is not room for such intimidation in the work place. That is why unions ought to die off. especially public sector unions. those are an affront to the tax payer.
 
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ludin said:
doesn't matter Fair labour trade act says that unions cannot force people to join the union. even if there is a place of business that has a union people that prefer not to work for the union are still not scabs.

what the union is doing is illegal and they are creating a hostile work enviroment which is also illegal.
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What you are describing is the open shop right to work and under those conditions joining is optional. It is however a fact however that non union members in open shops are indeed scabs: they are riding on the backs of the union employees who are fighting for the sacbs by default.
 
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joG said:
Are the unions still run by the Mob?
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SEIU-yes
Teamsters-some
 
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jet57 said:
I take it you've never been on a picket line and watched scabs take your jobs. Scabs are stealing; that's why they're called scabs.
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that's only if you have the idiotic entitlement mentality that you are OWED a job. You ARE NOT. A job is nothing more than an employer trying to obtain a commodity KNOWN AS LABOR. If you are unwilling or unable to supply the commodity at terms the Employer wants, then he SHOULD BE FREE to find another source
 
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Thrilla said:
the Culinary union has been protesting out front since the openings (until the courts shut them down recently for blocking public acess)... and there are trying their damnedest to get in the door, but the workers aren't biting.. unions don't have anything to offer ( yet)

it's really got nothing to do with adelson's beliefs ( he can't keep unions out if the workers want them in)... there is simply no incentive to let them in, the workers are better off than every other property in town.

he's not the first guy to keep unions at bay by keeping workers happy... he won't be the last.
unionistas, by all rights, should be happy about this... but for some reason, they get all pissy <shrugs>
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Well, not knowing what the bennies are in this matter I can't comment on said drive. What I can say, is those nonunion people should be thanking their lucky stars that they are surrounded by union shops. What do think Adelson would be paying if their wasn't a union standard?
 
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jet57 said:
What you are describing is the open shop right to work and under those conditions joining is optional. It is however a fact however that non union members in open shops are indeed scabs: they are riding on the backs of the union employees who are fighting for the sacbs by default.
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you can continue with this false definition all you want to. it won't change the fact they are not scabs but employee's of the company.
scabs aren't scabs either but people willing to work when others won't.

ad hominoms are never arguments you and karl up there are going to have to do better.

you can try to demean them all you want to but guess what. they still have protection of a non-hostile work environment.
so far neither you or karl have made an argument how what the union is legal from any stand point.

it is in fact highly illegal and if these peopl are harassed and then the union can be sued and i hope they are.
 
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jet57 said:
You were in the post office. So how did you protect people who weren't doing their jobs? You said you were a steward, so you must have protected those lazy union employees.
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Yup, I did, then I didn't....I walked away from it. Best thing I dId.
 
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TurtleDude said:
and those who harass them should be arrested, indicted, convicted and jailed and if they get violent, shot and killed. There is not room for such intimidation in the work place. That is why unions ought to die off. especially public sector unions. those are an affront to the tax payer.
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and the same should be done to the employer when they engage in similar practices. I agree, most transgressions come from the aggregators... No. Absolutely not.
 
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NIMBY said:
Especially the ones who take care of aging Veterans with Alzheimers in Veterans Homes.

The ones who wipe their ass and bathe them and get cussed out throughout.

And the ones who have to spoon feed them and watch them slowly die--one organ at a time.

Your disgusting anti-Union spew is here just to light up the board .
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SEIU is a well known collection of thugs, malcontents, mopes and skels
 
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TurtleDude said:
that's only if you have the idiotic entitlement mentality that you are OWED a job. You ARE NOT. A job is nothing more than an employer trying to obtain a commodity KNOWN AS LABOR. If you are unwilling or unable to supply the commodity at terms the Employer wants, then he SHOULD BE FREE to find another source
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Again: you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. If you are unable to buy a car at the terms the dealer wants, then you should walk or get used to taking the bus.
 
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NIMBY said:
And they weren't allowed to until McKinley was gunned down and the doctors screwed up a simple operation.


Good thing for Ohio that Obama won both elections and this thought process isn't playing a part in the Real Life of our Nation don't you think .
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could someone tell me what Nimby's blatherings have to do with what I said.
 
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ludin said:
you can continue with this false definition all you want to. it won't change the fact they are not scabs but employee's of the company.
scabs aren't scabs either but people willing to work when others won't.

ad hominoms are never arguments you and karl up there are going to have to do better.

you can try to demean them all you want to but guess what. they still have protection of a non-hostile work environment.
so far neither you or karl have made an argument how what the union is legal from any stand point.

it is in fact highly illegal and if these peopl are harassed and then the union can be sued and i hope they are.
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Nothing you say is going to change their status of them as scabs, so I guess that settles that.
 
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ChezC3 said:
What this is is saying without saying it is that if an employer doesn't want his employees to collectively bargain than that is his right.
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exactly, I think a private sector employer should have the ABSOLUTE RIGHT to fire anyone who tries to unionize a shop. Of course if every potential employee supports the Union-or enough that the employer cannot get the quantity and quality of labor he needs, he will have to make concessions to the union
 
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Meister said:
Yup, I did, then I didn't....I walked away from it. Best thing I dId.
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You still havent answered the question, which was a challenge to you to prove your assertions. And your union pension is vested right?
 
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jet57 said:
Again: you have absolutely no idea what the hell you're talking about. If you are unable to buy a car at the terms the dealer wants, then you should walk or get used to taking the bus.
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exactly

No one owes you a car

no one owes you a job

and no one owes you health care

stop pretending people owe you stuff

and you ought to chill on telling other people what they "DON'T KNOW" remember that bit about glass houses?
 
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jet57 said:
Prove it.
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LOL google how many times Teamsters and SEIU thugs have been indicted and convicted.
 
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