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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Again, I suspect feigned ignorance for this issue has surely been discussed a gazillion times... but for those that truly may not be able to figure it out on their own, if enough non-paying workers take union jobs then the union will lack the funds to sustain itself and die (or be voted into dissolution). At that point the union contract will be lost, and the remaining union workers (all the workers, actually) will likely see a reduction in wages and/or benefits.

It's just like paying income taxes... if a few people decide to just quit paying, even though they can afford to, and subsequently a sufficient number of others follow suit then government fails. Now while the conservatives probably like that scenario, sensible people know that things society depends on will fail too -- police, certain healthcare services, bridge/road repair, airline traffic control, banking controls, military, etc -- chaos.

If I was an employer with a union problem, all I would have to do to get rid of the union would be to show my employees how badly they are being hosed, and offer to give them directly a nice large cut of the savings if they drop the union. I save some cash and lose the union thugs and my employees get to keep more of their larger earnings. Win, win.

I have a client who pays substantially above the going rate for comparable blue collar jobs, warehouse forklift operators, and class a driver/ forklift operator. The drivers are bringing down $32hr with a forklift certification when the union is only getting $28 for a driver and you have to be crane certified to get it. Forklift cert is a $100 and 4 hours. The crane cert is $890 and 40hrs.. These guys get full paid benefits too. The union guys don't get that, they have to chip in. Thing is these guys are routinely doing 50-60hrs a week when gets busy so that $32hr goes to $48 after 8hrs and 40hrs. These guys bring home bank. I charge to my client for a bobtail unit to pull their trailer $75hr 4hr minimum. My contractors who their own equipment give me a 10% cut for billing and dispatching, which comes to $67.50hr.. My contractors out of that have to pay for fuel, maintenance, taxes ect. They make less than the straight time my clients drivers are making. I wish I could charge more but my competitors keep the market tight. The problem they are having with some of their people is they get lazy when they make that kind of money, and in my clients business you have bust ass when the work is there. They have a boom bust cycle which means they cant have lazy.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

From your source:

"Generally, a company can't require a worker to become a full union member as a condition of employment"

Please put the quote in context without selectively singling it out, or is that how you roll?

There's a reason my visits to this site have diminished...

Good night. You have to live with yourself...
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

From your source:

"Generally, a company can't require a worker to become a full union member as a condition of employment"

Dude are you on drugs?

Union workers generally are on a probationary period of 3-months and after that they're full union members .... As to the rest of the riddles and nonsense you speak I have no answer because there is no logical answer to most of what you say.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

California's poverty is absolutely relevant when your comparing Liberal and Conservative principles.

That's because you have a State, located on the border with a comparable population to compare it to. A Red State ( Texas ) thats led the Nation in job creation for years running, and a State that's taken in 2 million Californians and 200 Californian Business.

California is a Liberal State, with a Progressive Governor and Legislature implementing progressive economic principles and it shows.

Their total debt is higher than any other State in the Nation but Jerry Brown has a solution. To drive out Californias tax base with tax increases and attacks on wealth creation.

So we should make a comparison form one Political ideology to the other instead of posting list without context.

Again, 7 of the 10 poorest states are red states. The next 10 poorest nations are mostly red states too. The 10 states with the lowest poverty rate are mostly blue states.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Unions aren't the reason for your premise, Sangha. Just sayin'
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

"Somebody censor the internet!"

It's not bad enough to support freeloaders but you're anti-free speech too?

Embarrassment and humiliation don't belong in a work place. Sorry you feel it is acceptable in the work environment.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Please put the quote in context without selectively singling it out, or is that how you roll?

There's a reason my visits to this site have diminished...

Good night. You have to live with yourself...
I don't see it as out of context, it's your source and it directly refutes your claims along with every source I've posted.
Dude are you on drugs?

Union workers generally are on a probationary period of 3-months and after that they're full union members .... As to the rest of the riddles and nonsense you speak I have no answer because there is no logical answer to most of what you say.
I'm sorry you're incapable of following the links or quotes from reputable sources I've posted saying otherwise.
Embarrassment and humiliation don't belong in a work place. Sorry you feel it is acceptable in the work environment.
You care about workers rights to not have their feelings hurt but not about workers rights to negotiate fair contracts.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

I don't see it as out of context, it's your source and it directly refutes your claims along with every source I've posted.

I'm sorry you're incapable of following the links or quotes from reputable sources I've posted saying otherwise.

You care about workers rights to not have their feelings hurt but not about workers rights to negotiate fair contracts.

What the **** are you talking about? you're doing nothing but babbling while trying to sound like you know what the hell you're talking about.

No wonder he/she has an Orange avatar - other colors were too complicated to choose.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Try reading the article again. No one said they posted personal information in this specific instance. The lawyer with the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation said that unions do this, not that they did this in this specific instance, and he is correct.

So are you going to address the article or the topic or are you just here to bash FOX News because of a damning story about union activities?

From the OP and highlited by the poster:
The Kansas chapter of the United Auto Workers union is using its website to draw attention to GM workers who choose not to pay union dues.

UAW Local 31 dedicates an entire page of its website to listing the names and work stations of employees who have opted to exercise their rights not to be in the union. UAW Local 31 lists nearly 30 workers at the Fairfax, Kansas GM plant who are not in the union. The “Scab List” is published under the union website’s “Important Information” section.
Local 31 president Vicki Hale did not respond to request for comment.
Glenn Taubmann, a lawyer at the National Right to Work Legal Defense Foundation, said that scab lists are used to pressure workers into joining the union. The use of their personal information and where they can be found in the plant make them easy targets for harassment and intimidation.

So; who's lying?

As I said, those people should be shamed for what they're doing.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Ummm....

A persons name is considered Personally Identifiable Information. I'm pretty sure what department of a business you work in would also qualify as PII

Personal information has always been know as just that: many people have names.

The OP is lie: there is no personal information.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

And when the tables are turned and union members receive the same treatment, you're ok with that?

I haven't the slightest idea what your trying to say.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

From the OP and highlited by the poster:

So; who's lying?

As I said, those people should be shamed for what they're doing.
No they shouldn't. They aren't breaking the laws as you are for harassment.
 
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Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

I'm tolerant of this. Scabs should be treated with the contempt they deserve.


businesses should be able to fire someone for being in a union. especially to protect the rights of other workers. many unions-especially the ones that do not teach a trade-are nothing more than a collection of thugs. AFSCME and SEIU for example

if a non union worker is harassed, there is probable cause that the Union thugs are responsible
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Go back, read post #254, and get a clue.


Oops.... nevermind :screwy

ok you don't seem to understand federal labor laws. so let me explain.

harassment is a firable offense in any company. people have the right to a harassment free work place.
so if the union refuses to fire and or dismiss employee's that are harassing and abusing other employee's then they are endorsing a criminal activity.

if the company then refuses to do anything they also are endorsing a hostile work environment.
so they are legally liable for any damages both physical and emotional that would occur.

not working for a union does not make you a scab you need to get a clue.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Just the union using unions muscle to get what they want. This sort of thing has been happening in unions shops since the first days of the unions. Why is ANYONE surprised by this? That's the real question.



Personal information on the list itself is irrelevant. Everyone knows 'Joe over in machining' (or whatever department), and these unions members that'll probably follow them home and write down that address to be shared next day at work. There's no need for the union to publish any of it. It'll be easily obtained.

The scabs list is little more than a wink and a nod from the union to it's members to apply pressure and have these scabs either fall in line with the union or leave.

The same can be said for the Card Check legislation the unions want to get passed.

Card check - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

You can easily imagine the thuggery that goes on to get those cards signed in back alleys. Secret ballot would be far more fair and honest method, IMHO.

It puzzles me that the left is so supportive, tolerant and even encouraging of union thugs bullying people who just trying to make an honest days wages, when they are totally up in arms and nearly to tears about similar bullying in the schools for example.

You have a lot there erik. I'll answer you tomorrow, if I can, I have guests coming so this is a courtesy how'ya doin'. The other are easy one liners.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

No they shouldn't. Also...no laws are being broken.

harassment in the work place is being broken.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

No they shouldn't. Also...no laws are being broken.

You have no idea what's going on there.


More later.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

businesses should be able to fire someone for being in a union. especially to protect the rights of other workers. many unions-especially the ones that do not teach a trade-are nothing more than a collection of thugs. AFSCME and SEIU for example

if a non union worker is harassed, there is probable cause that the Union thugs are responsible

I was sort of hoping that you jum in this: liberty banner....
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

And how do they "desire contempt" exactly?

they don't want to be part of a democrat party support group that has contempt for individual initiative

I remember taking the deposition of a woman who had (despite immigrating to the USA and speaking only Chinese) become the District Manager (over 17,000 postal workers) of the USPS and she testified that she worked too hard and members of one of the three unions that were in her workplace when she was an hourly employee, locked her in the bathroom for half a day. these union scumbags wanted overtime and they didn't like the fact that she worked so hard there was rarely anything left for them to do for overtime
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

You have no idea what's going on there.


More later.
Keep it real, sparky. Non union employees have rights on the workroom floor. You have no idea on their rights, apparently.
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Well, according to the Conservative definition they are "takers"; accepting union benefits without contributing to the cost of obtaining those benefits.

Now were they needy then I could perhaps see giving them a pass on paying their fair share, but no case is made to that effect.

what Union benefits?
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

How is anyone supposed to know who is and who isn't union member ?

If a non-union employee is being disciplined by management does he or she still get union representation at the meeting if they choose ?

yes they often do. but I note, at least at the USPS (which I am an expert on their labor relations) the stewards got paid by the USPS and some of their paid time was their union duties. Dues were not paying for this representation
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

I was sort of hoping that you jum in this: liberty banner....

yeah I like freedom. and if you own a business you should be able to fire or hire whomever you want
 
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