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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Your posts are very imaginative ;)

No imagination required.

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You speak much truth.

Still, a person needs to stand up for what they believe in. Telling the union guys to knock it off (with conviction) isn't as hard as it sounds.

Oh, I agree completely. I'm not sitting here largely lamenting for the people on the scab list.

More just flabbergasted by certain posts who claim that it's a misrepresentation to say that this makes it easier to harass these people or acting like there would be no harassment done...especially juxtaposed with many of those in this thread actively advocating and applauding potential harassment.
 
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Why wouldn't you publish it? If I'm a union member, I'd like to know which of my co-workers was out to screw me.

How are they out to screw you? You have your job, just do it. What are you going to do....harass them?
 
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Because I would know who I could trust and who I could count on. And who would have my back. Do I want to treat them differently because they are screwing me? You bet your ass.

No one is screwing you....but you do want to harass them, and this is just proving the point of the OP. Thanks for your honesty
 
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No. The poor and unemployed aren't actively undermining their fellow workers.

Sure they are. Those darn scabs are responding to demand by seeking out jobs without giving their money to the Union!!!

Damn Dirty Subhuman Scum! They deserve "consequences", am I right?

It doesn't make sense because it's a strawman.

You wish to deny the union history of violence?

Then why work in a union shop if it's filled with damaging stupidity?

Well that's the problem, isn't it? Union damaging stupidity will ultimately make sure that you don't get to "work" in a union shop.
 
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Oh, I agree completely. I'm not sitting here largely lamenting for the people on the scab list.

More just flabbergasted by certain posts who claim that it's a misrepresentation to say that this makes it easier to harass these people or acting like there would be no harassment done...especially juxtaposed with many of those in this thread actively advocating and applauding potential harassment.

All that harassment is in people's minds. They've seen the early 20th century pictures of union workers with bats in their hands. They know the Jimmy Hoffa story, or at least part of it.

Let's fast forward: I get hired at say, the GMC truck factory in Arlington Texas. After working the line for a couple of weeks, I'm approached by the UAW steward. I tell him I'll read the brochures and get back to him. After a couple of days he comes back and I tell him that I'm not interested in joining at this time. My name is then listed on the scab page of the website under Upholstery Department, unbeknown to me. What happens then?

You can play the part of a union journeyman with major seniority in my department. First, I'm not making near what you do because of your seniority. I am however, making what 'Bob' another new hire that joined the union makes.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get me signed up. Let's add 6 more people to the department. Five are union and one has quit the union. That's 7 Union, and two non. The guy who quit, quit while he was layed-off for 2 years, payed his back dues and quit. He has his reasons. He tells me that the union just rips off the workers. All others are satisfied with being union members.

Get me to join.

Or, we can switch places. It doesn't matter to me. My point still stands. The six union guys (minus you) might go for refreshments after work and talk tough about all of the things that they are going to do to me. But, when they waltz in hung-over in the morning, they will do nothing.
 
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Pressure tactics: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers | Fox News



The last line is bolded for emphasis. These are the tactics that unions use and it's plain wrong. I dare anyone to defend what the union is doing here with a straight face.

My son is an EMT. A union recently tried to organize his company. On multiple occasions someone would show up at his home, wanting to talk to him about voting to approve the effort. He told me he was VERY intimidated, not only by the efforts the union was making, but by the fact they were showing up where he lived.

They eventually voted to reject the union attempt, but he continues to be really mad at the games they played to try to get the contract. It would seem this is how it works. To suggest all these union tactics aren't about intimidation is absurd.
 
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I've often thought that myself having worked in both a union shop and non union, I've enjoyed non union jobs much more than union jobs.
I was treated much better and had a better rapport with management. go figure....
The non union shops may treat you better when things go well, but the union shops will treat you better when things don't go well.
How are the "scabs" undermining their fellow workers? Are they taking money out of their pockets? Are they forcing them to work harder for their guaranteed raises? Are their benefits being reduced because of the "scabs"? The answer to each of these is no, but feel free to carry on with more ridiculousness, it's amusing to those of us capable of being able to think for ourselves.

"The Maine Center for Economic Policy similarly found that right-to-work laws are not fair because nonunion employees in a unionized workplace would have a "free ride" and the laws are "not needed to protect nonunion workers" because federal laws already protect workers from being forced into joining a union:
Right-to-work laws are essentially unfair. If Maine passed a right-to-work law, nonunion employees in a unionized workplace would have a "free ride." They would receive the benefits of union representation, in terms of job protections, wages and benefits, without paying for any of the costs."

http://mediamatters.org/research/2012/12/12/myths-and-facts-about-right-to-work-laws/191810
 
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The non union shops may treat you better when things go well, but the union shops will treat you better when things don't go well.


"The Maine Center for Economic Policy similarly found that right-to-work laws are not fair because nonunion employees in a unionized workplace would have a "free ride" and the laws are "not needed to protect nonunion workers" because federal laws already protect workers from being forced into joining a union:
Right-to-work laws are essentially unfair. If Maine passed a right-to-work law, nonunion employees in a unionized workplace would have a "free ride." They would receive the benefits of union representation, in terms of job protections, wages and benefits, without paying for any of the costs."

Myths And Facts About "Right-To-Work" Laws | Research | Media Matters for America

There were good times and bad times with the non union jobs, I was always treated well.
 
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Sure they are. Those darn scabs are responding to demand by seeking out jobs without giving their money to the Union!!!

Damn Dirty Subhuman Scum! They deserve "consequences", am I right?

You wish to deny the union history of violence?

Well that's the problem, isn't it? Union damaging stupidity will ultimately make sure that you don't get to "work" in a union shop.
I wasn't actually suggesting unions are stupid, I believe they're more valuable now than any time in the last few decades as the shift of profits has benefited the top percentages and corporations rather than the average household.

If workers are seeking to have the benefits of others having paid and still paying dues, they should be paying them too. Otherwise you're undercutting the very tool that provided you with a safe, stable, and competitively paying job.
 
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All that harassment is in people's minds. They've seen the early 20th century pictures of union workers with bats in their hands. They know the Jimmy Hoffa story, or at least part of it.

Let's fast forward: I get hired at say, the GMC truck factory in Arlington Texas. After working the line for a couple of weeks, I'm approached by the UAW steward. I tell him I'll read the brochures and get back to him. After a couple of days he comes back and I tell him that I'm not interested in joining at this time. My name is then listed on the scab page of the website under Upholstery Department, unbeknown to me. What happens then?

You can play the part of a union journeyman with major seniority in my department. First, I'm not making near what you do because of your seniority. I am however, making what 'Bob' another new hire that joined the union makes.

Your mission, should you choose to accept it, is to get me signed up. Let's add 6 more people to the department. Five are union and one has quit the union. That's 7 Union, and two non. The guy who quit, quit while he was layed-off for 2 years, payed his back dues and quit. He has his reasons. He tells me that the union just rips off the workers. All others are satisfied with being union members.

Get me to join.

Or, we can switch places. It doesn't matter to me. My point still stands. The six union guys (minus you) might go for refreshments after work and talk tough about all of the things that they are going to do to me. But, when they waltz in hung-over in the morning, they will do nothing.



No, just recently we watched a bunch of Union thugs in Michigan reassert the thuggish Union member reputation.

Right after Michigan chose to go to a right to work State.

I'm sure you remember.
 
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This is inappropriate and dangerous.
 
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Because I would know who I could trust and who I could count on. And who would have my back. Do I want to treat them differently because they are screwing me? You bet your ass.

Oh Jesus Christ. Grow up, would you? People who aren't in your group aren't going out of their way to screw you over. They are working, providing for themselves and their families, same as the rest of us.
 
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Reading is fundamental . . . .

. . . . and income taxes were never the criteria anyway:



apdst score: Fail X2.

You're right, reading IS fundamental...

There was nothing misleading about the article, only the rush to attack the source due to a preconceived disposition of the poster (that would be you).


Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement or are you going to stick with the lie?[/QUOTE
 
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As unions continue to lose support with workers, they will continue to try and hold tighter on what little they have left. Such strong arm tactics aren't unusual - years ago when I was a CWA shop steward names of people who did not sign up for picket duty were confronted, pictures of scabs were taken and handed out at the picket line and yes, if possible their cars were targets of "accidents" if possible. Of course I was not told who or what exactly occurred and the union would NEVER sanction such retaliation .... :roll:

There has always been a violent undertone to such tactics which is why picket crosser's are called scabs in the first place. They're just like everyone else with families, kids and bills to pay. Most places do nor require nor benefit from unions these days. It's an archaic labor method that's outlived it's usefulness in most cases. But I will admit there still may be areas where unions could be beneficial - I just don't know of them.
I was once visiting a friend and having a conversation with her and her new husband. He was telling stories like this based on his experiences and personal observations over several decades of union strike experience. He was quite pleased and proud of it.
 
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No, just recently we watched a bunch of Union thugs in Michigan reassert the thuggish Union member reputation.

Right after Michigan chose to go to a right to work State.

I'm sure you remember.

I remember Michigan going to a right to work state. I don't remember hearing about any violence.

You got a link?
 
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By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.

Then be happy for them that you increased their standard of living.

You're not entitled to everyone's full cooperation.
 
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Reading is fundamental . . . . and income taxes were never the criteria anyway [...]
You're right, reading IS fundamental...

[...] Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement [...] ?
And that supports your claim about income taxes how? :lol:
 
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Oh, I agree completely. I'm not sitting here largely lamenting for the people on the scab list.

More just flabbergasted by certain posts who claim that it's a misrepresentation to say that this makes it easier to harass these people or acting like there would be no harassment done... [...]
Oh, I think that's mostly a strawman, but you're welcome to post any quotes to that effect.

What is a misrepresentation is many/most conservative posts trying to make this one incident worse than it is by associating it with other alleged or imagined events. If people could discuss something without throwing in the kitchen sink then you wouldn't have all these hysterical rants to debunk (which only derails the thread).
 
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I wasn't actually suggesting unions are stupid, I believe they're more valuable now than any time in the last few decades as the shift of profits has benefited the top percentages and corporations rather than the average household.

If workers are seeking to have the benefits of others having paid and still paying dues, they should be paying them too. Otherwise you're undercutting the very tool that provided you with a safe, stable, and competitively paying job.

Actually they aren't. They are seeking the benefits that those others found so awful that they walked off the job, remember? ;)
 
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How are they out to screw you? [...]
Again, I suspect feigned ignorance for this issue has surely been discussed a gazillion times... but for those that truly may not be able to figure it out on their own, if enough non-paying workers take union jobs then the union will lack the funds to sustain itself and die (or be voted into dissolution). At that point the union contract will be lost, and the remaining union workers (all the workers, actually) will likely see a reduction in wages and/or benefits.

It's just like paying income taxes... if a few people decide to just quit paying, even though they can afford to, and subsequently a sufficient number of others follow suit then government fails. Now while the conservatives probably like that scenario, sensible people know that things society depends on will fail too -- police, certain healthcare services, bridge/road repair, airline traffic control, banking controls, military, etc -- chaos.
 
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Then be happy for them that you increased their standard of living.

You're not entitled to everyone's full cooperation.
I'll be happier if I've increased their standard of living and they pay it forward to the next worker.
Actually they aren't. They are seeking the benefits that those others found so awful that they walked off the job, remember? ;)
I'm referencing right to work state employees who don't pay dues yet are covered by union protections due to federal laws in this specific instance.
 
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She was born blind and has never had a job where she paid taxes. You are jumping to conclusions based on incorrect assumptions and you still haven't answered the question I posed earlier. But hats off to you for sticking with the liberal/progressive playbook of divert, divert, divert.

I didn't say she paid income taxes. I assume that she has bought things and paid sales tax. If she owns a house, she's paid taxes on that and if she rents, some of her rent goes to pay taxes.
 
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Actually they aren't. They are seeking the benefits that those others found so awful that they walked off the job, remember? ;)
The situation presented in the OP is not the result of a strike. The topic appears to be right-to-work freeloaders, not actual picket line crossers.
 
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I remember Michigan going to a right to work state. I don't remember hearing about any violence.

You got a link?



Not that I can provide.

I'm in a droid. But there was violence.
 
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