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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Zyphlin said:
Ummm....

A persons name is considered Personally Identifiable Information. I'm pretty sure what department of a business you work in would also qualify as PII
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I guess these folks don't work in environments important enough to get annual PII training. :)
 
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Ockham said:
As unions continue to lose support with workers, they will continue to try and hold tighter on what little they have left. Such strong arm tactics aren't unusual - years ago when I was a CWA shop steward [....]
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Your unsubstantiated claims have nothing to do with the OP, but I think we can all see what's going on here -- one issue is being used as a vehicle to pile on other unrelated/unsubstantiated issues in order to make it (the OP) look worse than it is, and to attack unions in general.

So, since it appears that none of the outraged are interested in a continued discussion of the event in the OP on its own merits I think we can assume it is not as grievous as they claimed.

Further, if a union attack thread is desired then I would suggest one with that express purpose be created, outlining all these various points up front -- and with proper sourcing of the allegations.
 
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sangha said:
By pointing out misleading info contained in the article, I *am* addressing the article.



Both the poor and the unemployed pay taxes.
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Actually yes and no. Yes they pay taxes throughout the year. Then come tax time they get an income tax credit and get paid back all those taxes they paid plus a little more besides. So actually they are parasites.
 
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How is anyone supposed to know who is and who isn't union member ?

If a non-union employee is being disciplined by management does he or she still get union representation at the meeting if they choose ?
 
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Ockham said:
[...] There has always been a violent undertone to such tactics which is why picket crosser's are called scabs in the first place. [...]
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Would you be willing to explain your claim that the term "scab" has a violent undertone?

I will concede that it is not complimentary, and is indeed derogatory, but I'd be interested to see you try to explain the violence component. Based on experience, I will not be holding my breath ;)
 
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Karl said:
Your unsubstantiated claims have nothing to do with the OP, but I think we can all see what's going on here -- one issue is being used as a vehicle to pile on other unrelated/unsubstantiated issues in order to make it (the OP) look worse than it is, and to attack unions in general.
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What's "going on here" is me commenting on the OP and providing personal insight.

Karl said:
So, since it appears that none of the outraged are interested in a continued discussion of the event in the OP on its own merits I think we can assume it is not as grievous as they claimed.
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Do whatever makes you feel better.

Karl said:
Further, if a union attack thread is desired then I would suggest one with that express purpose be created, outlining all these various points up front -- and with proper sourcing of the allegations.
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Ask Red if a union attack thread is desired. Isn't it true that's where all union threads end up because most unions don't give a **** about the workers, just furthering the unions political and monetary gains? :lamo
 
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cpwill said:
Naturally. And just like the mob thugs who come in and suggest that you voluntarily pay some money for local protection, pointing out what a nice place it is you have here, and wouldn't it be a shame if someone were to smash it and set it on fire, they have no idea how it could possibly come to pass that those who refuse to pay up should then run into troubles.... :roll:
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Chief Wiggum: You wouldn't happen to know anything about a cigarette truck that was hijacked outside of town, would you?

Fat Tony: What's a truck?



Also..
 
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Unrepresented said:
By taking advantage of the protections and benefits unions offer all employees without paying for them.

Scabs are parasites.
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Actually, when I worked as a union member I saw a lot of union members who were the parasites. They were lazy asses who had to have others help finish their work and still got paid as much as those that busted their asses. Yup, parasites....
 
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sangha said:
This union also tells people the names of their officers and where and when they can be found

E-MAIL PAGE

Obviously, they want union members to intimidate their officers
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Not sure is serious.
 
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RedAkston said:
[...] Really? I have an aunt who is poor and disabled. She hasn't paid taxes in years. Do you wish to retract your statement or are you going to stick with the lie?
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This has been argued and explained so many times I find the tactic of feigned non-understanding a massive fail. Pretty much everyone pays taxes of some sort (sales tax, property tax (even renters), excise tax, FICA, gasoline tax, etc)... but everyone knows that, so why the act? :roll:

And why derail the thread?
 
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:wcm: Great King Rat! :2wave:

I think you are going to enjoy this site, since it has so many rooms you can visit! I've been here nearly two years, and I still haven't been to all of them! And it even has a tavern - what more can you ask for! :lamo:
 
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cpwill said:
Naturally. And just like the mob thugs who come in and suggest that you voluntarily pay some money for local protection, pointing out what a nice place it is you have here, and wouldn't it be a shame if someone were to smash it and set it on fire, they have no idea how it could possibly come to pass that those who refuse to pay up should then run into troubles.... :roll:
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More Twilight Zone. I hate to tell you this, but you can't win an argument by making things up... at least outside the Twilight Zone :lol:
 
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MaggieD said:
sangha said:
[...] She doesn't buy anything that sales taxes apply to?
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If she's on disability, she doesn't pay a dime. ;)
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She doesn't pay any sales tax? Come on, Maggie... some posts in this thread are part of a fast-and-furious mission to deceive, don't get caught up in the whirlwind . . . . .
 
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jet57 said:
Well, there's no personal infomration, just their neams and department numbers; SCAB LIST So it looks like Fox News is lying again.

Frankly, I think those people should be shamed.
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And when the tables are turned and union members receive the same treatment, you're ok with that?
 
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sangha said:
This union also tells people the names of their officers and where and when they can be found

E-MAIL PAGE

Obviously, they want union members to intimidate their officers
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Well that's as obvious as "addressing the topic" by quibbling over the title of the article while never actually articulating a syllable about the article or the news contained within it. Almost as obvious as ignoring everything not related to your bait and then offering more of that weak stuff. Instead of addressing the topic in an informed and articulate manner. Sometimes it is obvious when someone has a WiFi hotspot under a bridge.
 
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Karl said:
She doesn't pay any sales tax? Come on, Maggie... some posts in this thread are part of a fast-and-furious mission to deceive, don't get caught up in the whirlwind . . . . .
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Sales taxes aren't income taxes
 
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MaggieD said:
Fair share? You mean being forced to pay union dues when you don't want to belong to one? That's your idea of fair share? Well, we disagree. IMO, the company ought to pay its nonunion workforce 50-cents an hour more and exempt them from work rules. They'd be quittin' that union in droves. Now that's union busting I could get behind.

I don't need a union. I don't want a union. And forcing me or coercing me into paying their dues is little more than extortion.
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Maggs really want to run a union out and have much happier employees, pay a minimum of $5 dollars an hour more. (That's generally just part of the overhead costs for a union. You will still save money.) If you don't have some sort of profit sharing implement it.(Its also a great way to **** uncle sam in the process). And have a way to implement some flex time. These measures would run the union out for a good long time especially if you promote from within. The downside is that the better paid the employees are a large percentage of them tend to get a little lazier. Its not quite made up by those who realize the good thing they got going. (I have first hand knowledge of this phenomenon as a former employer, and one of my good clients has this problem currently, they pay well above the going pay scale around here.)
 
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Great King Rat said:
Well that's as obvious as "addressing the topic" by quibbling over the title of the article while never actually articulating a syllable about the article or the news contained within it. Almost as obvious as ignoring everything not related to your bait and then offering more of that weak stuff. Instead of addressing the topic in an informed and articulate manner. Sometimes it is obvious when someone has a WiFi hotspot under a bridge.
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I did not quibble over the title of the article. I refuted the claim that publishing an employee's name and where they can be found is proof of "intimidation"
 
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MaggieD said:
Fair share? You mean being forced to pay union dues when you don't want to belong to one? That's your idea of fair share? [...]
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This is off topic, but when you share in the benefits obtained by others who did pay to obtain and maintain those benefits, should you also not pay if you are able to do so?

If you do not want to pay, then shouldn't the honest thing to do is not partake of those benefits? (in this case, that union job). If you don't want a union, don't take a union job -- try Wal-Mart or the local Quickie Mart, they've got good wages benefits too ;)
 
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tres borrachos said:
The same thing happened at UAW Local 1853 in Tennessee last week.
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No idea what you're talking about, but feel free to start a thread on it.
 
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Karl said:
This is off topic, but when you share in the benefits obtained by others who did pay to obtain and maintain those benefits, should you also not pay if you are able to do so?

If you do not want to pay, then shouldn't the honest thing to do is not partake of those benefits? (in this case, that union job). If you don't want a union, don't take a union job -- try Wal-Mart or the local Quickie Mart, they've got good wages benefits too ;)
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Hate to burst your bubble, but there are a lot of good paying jobs that aren't union.
But, you knew that.
 
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sangha said:
Can you show that there's any Scab List which lists "personal information" other than a dept # or where they work?
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Their name is personal information as well as where they work.
 
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sangha said:
I did not quibble over the title of the article. I refuted the claim that publishing an employee's name and where they can be found is proof of "intimidation"
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Oh you poor dear, is that what you really imagine you did? But of course it is. Of course it is.
 
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Karl said:
No idea what you're talking about, but feel free to start a thread on it.
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I'm curious. You're in here berating everyone from the moderators to the other posters as to the posts on the thread and what we can and can't discuss. Did I miss something?

That was in response to your post #37 which was in response's to Red's post that the attorney said that unions do this:

Since the lawyer provides no evidence of his unrelated claim we don't know if he is correct or not.

I gave you evidence of this happening just last week.
 
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Ockham said:
What's "going on here" is me commenting on the OP and providing personal insight. [...]
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Your personal insight is irrelevant to the facts at hand, and itself is devoid of provable facts so therefore cannot be evaluated.

I would also caution against confusing comment with discussion/debate. Unless failure is your goal.
 
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