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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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sangha said:
Try 1988 - Delores Huerta (UFW)
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You do realize she was beaten by San Francisco police officers, yes? Union members??

May not have been a good example.
 
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Unrepresented said:
Middle class jobs make up a smaller percent too, guess people don't want those around either...
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That's pure nonsense...Why would you think that?...People want the jobs, just not the union...At least at the moment...See, I think it is like a pendulum. At the moment, the unions are coming off a period of their popularity where they abused that trust, and went too far in demands to the point that over time it was clear that it hurt the businesses that allowed them in. And now they are at an all time low in participation because times are tough, and people are scared to lose their jobs, for fear that they won't find another one...

From my perspective, Union membership will only come back in certain sectors when a few things come into place...

1. When manufacturing returns

2. When Unions reform their mode of operation, and cease using their dues they mandate from members to meddle in political agendas that their members don't agree with

3. And only if the businesses involved don't offer something better to keep them out...

People today, along with businesses know that the labor market is highly competitive, and to keep good employees businesses have done things, that in the past they may not have when qualified workers were in abundance...

So, a deeper understanding of what is going on in the workforce today is what progressives like you don't get, and probably never will if you keep trying to crudely use the Alinsky model of snark and insult to silence your opponents.

As the old song says:

'You should get some better beats'

'and uh'

'Get some better rhymes'....
 
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MaggieD said:
You do realize she was beaten by San Francisco police officers, yes? Union members??

May not have been a good example.
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Yes, I do

I'm not sure what the point is
 
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sangha said:
Yes, I do

I'm not sure what the point is
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Maybe I misunderstood your post. Was it not in support of this:

Hard Truth said:
Employers have fired, blacklisted, beaten and killed many workers who stood up for themselves. There is nothing cowardly or wrong with working with others to achieve a goal, that is why we have governments, organizations and armies. Businesses have their own organizations and work together on their mutual goals all the time.
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sangha said:
So you think it matters if it's a businesses employees or a govt worker that does the beating?

The history of labor activism has many examples of businesses having the govt do their dirty work
Labor Activist Asks Wal-Mart to Protect Her - ABC News
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Well, I'm not going to try to do a forensic audit of what happened in this particular case. But seems to me this beating was very personal. Are you implying that a Captain told the officers, "Go out, find this lady, and beat the crap out of her"? I see it as union members avidly disliking her stance of trying to provide rights to immigrants. What am I missing?
 
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Hard Truth said:
Yes, partially. Individual initiative (will) is a factor, but it isn't the only factor. Luck (genetics and random chance), is also a factor, including whether you are lucky enough to be healthy, smart and physically strong. Many of the characteristics we consider virtues are skills or behaviors that one (if fortunate) learns at an early age, largely by the example of one's family and community. Those characteristics include perseverance, the ability to focus and complete a task, and the ability to reject instant gratification in exchange for a greater reward in the future.
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Perhaps, but I think you are downplaying personal initiative. It is paramount. It seems to me, that if we turn our futures over to what will be provided to us, we give away our responsibility to others who will decide for us what we can achieve.
 
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MaggieD said:
Well, I'm not going to try to do a forensic audit of what happened in this particular case. But seems to me this beating was very personal. Are you implying that a Captain told the officers, "Go out, find this lady, and beat the crap out of her"? I see it as union members avidly disliking her stance of trying to provide rights to immigrants. What am I missing?
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And do you think the union in the OP told it's members "Go out, find these scabs, and beat the crap out of them?"
 
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sangha said:
And do you think the union in the OP told it's members "Go out, find these scabs, and beat the crap out of them?"
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No. Perhaps they published a list. ;) ;)
 
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sangha said:
And do you think the union in the OP told it's members "Go out, find these scabs, and beat the crap out of them?"
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So, things have to be blatantly overt for you to acknowledge them right? But only so if you don't agree with the argument against the perceived thinking in your case...Look, The union members didn't need, or don't need a set of instructions...Posting the list is enough to ensure that something bad could, or probably would happen.
 
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sangha said:
So you think it matters if it's a businesses employees or a govt worker that does the beating?

The history of labor activism has many examples of businesses having the govt do their dirty work
Labor Activist Asks Wal-Mart to Protect Her - ABC News
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Hmmm. Well what do you think public employee unions have been doing? How has the SEIU gone about organizing public employee representation?
 
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sangha said:
Try 1988 - Delores Huerta (UFW)
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The SFPD was not her employer. Again you fail. More diversion from one of the most disingenuous posters to ever sign up at DP. And for the record, what happened to her was absolutely wrong and I do not condone it on any level, but it has nothing to do with the topic that was being discussed.
 
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j-mac said:
So, things have to be blatantly overt for you to acknowledge them right? But only so if you don't agree with the argument against the perceived thinking in your case...Look, The union members didn't need, or don't need a set of instructions...Posting the list is enough to ensure that something bad could, or probably would happen.
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Well, it's not like the unions have a history of this behavior in the past....er, wait. Oh, never mind. :3oops:
 
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sangha said:
I have already addressed that point in one of my responses to MaggieD
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I see that now. She didn't fall for your diversion either. One. Trick. Pony.
 
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RedAkston said:
I see that now. She didn't fall for your diversion either. One. Trick. Pony.
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"Someone else agrees with me so I am right!"

Is that really the argument you want to rely on?
 
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GBFAN said:
[...] there is a discussion going on about the union paying some portion of the training costs, but that hasn't been decided yet ... maybe there was a suit filed, or a law written, that made it different here.
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I'm not sure how uniform it is across the country either, and when it comes to retraining programs (such as veterans) that may be affected by other issues/regulations (grant money, for example), but I do know some of the major unions run their own training schools, ensure members have proper certifications/licenses (where needed), etc. Again these will trend towards construction style jobs rather than your typical manufacturing plant.
 
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TurtleDude said:
businesses should be able to fire someone for being in a union. [...]
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Another postcard from the Twilight Zone :lamo
 
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sangha said:
"Someone else agrees with me so I am right!"

Is that really the argument you want to rely on?
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Sangha, there are very few who do AGREE with you, it isn't just onsies and twosies who disagree with you.
Unions have a history of violence and thuggery in the past, the union members don't need a blueprint
with what to do with the list that was posted. I was a union member and I saw first hand the MO.
 
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sangha said:
"Someone else agrees with me so I am right!"

Is that really the argument you want to rely on?
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No one has to agree with me for you to be wrong, because you are wrong so often. I've pointed out your tactics and you've been exposed for being the partisan hack that you are. Your position is indefensible and yet you continue to try to defend it anyway. It's cute watching you try to divert from the actual topics being discussed with nonsense and lies rather than admit, just once, that your side is not always right.

The union posted the names and locations of the non-union workers. Did they do this so the union members could bake them a cake or did they do this so they could be publicly shamed, intimidated and harassed? It was a tactic and it was wrong. You and your cohorts in crime intellectually dishonest partisan hacks have attempted to divert from the subject in a feeble attempt to divert from the facts because they make "your side" look bad. Instead of owning up to it and simply saying that it was wrong, you've tried to justify it as being reasonable and acceptable when it clearly isn't to anyone with a conscience. Now you can come back with more off-topic ramblings or you can lick your wounds and move on because you've lost this battle.
 
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AlabamaPaul said:
Try again. A union is nothing more than something "created by the people through a (representational) democratic process and intended to be aid to those without" the balls to stand up for themselves and are only effective in non-right to work states...
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And yet another postcard from the Twilight Zone. What is about reality that prompted you folks to leave it? Ah, wait, I get it -- it's that Objectivism deal, created by a bitter old Russian lady, that has recently been made popular by a movie :2rofll: . . . individuals = good, groups = bad. So, the founding fathers assembled a group of 13 colonies to obtain freedom from Great Britain because they didn't have the balls to stand up for themselves...

...good thing Philadelphia was not a right to work state back then :shock:
 
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sangha said:
And so do employers
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Your feeble attempt to prove such fell short. It may be time to pack up your bags and move on to the next topic because you got owned this entire thread.
 
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