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‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers[W:702:1041]

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Wrong answer. I think I provided someone else with an explanation above (yeah, see #292).

Years ago (may still be true today), in some industries -- like construction -- the employer simply calls the union and tells them how many and what type workers they need. The union supplies the bodies (so to speak ;)).


Well, not exactly ...

The union DOES keep a list of available personnel. When an employer calls, they will send over a group that could be potentially hired. HOWEVER ... selection of the employee is the responsibility of the employer ONLY. Otherwise, the union would have a rather significant liability in that they would be responsible for the failure of the person's work performance, theft, incompetence, etc.

No union is going to take that on when they can't control the work environment.
 
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Is this sort of behavior tolerated under other circumstances in the workplace, without the possibility of a lawsuit or being laid off? You're supposed to get along with co-workers and not divide them or cause them significant amounts of discomfort. I've had co-workers laid off or threatened with being fired for causing so much drama. Other folks doing this sort of thing toward a person of a protected status or subject matter were walking a tight line in causing liability for a lawsuit.

This is not proper behavior in the workplace and this is the sort of thing we teach teenagers to not do on the job.

Just because your union sympathies make it awfully tempting to support or engage in this behavior does not make it right or proper in the slightest.
This is the fallout of divisive conservative legislators, union frustration is a byproduct, not the cause.
Unions make up less than 7% of today's workforce in America...Why is that? People don't want them around....
Middle class jobs make up a smaller percent too, guess people don't want those around either...
 
‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Wrong answer. I think I provided someone else with an explanation above (yeah, see #292).

Years ago (may still be true today), in some industries -- like construction -- the employer simply calls the union and tells them how many and what type workers they need. The union supplies the bodies (so to speak ;)).

I get employed by the employer, not the union. When I become hired, I have *no* obligation to the union. They have no expectation of my money. The mere act of me being hired does not make me a thief.
 
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This is the fallout of divisive conservative legislators, union frustration is a byproduct, not the cause.

Middle class jobs make up a smaller percent too, guess people don't want those around either...

Again, is this ordinarily considered appropriate workplace behavior that would not jeopardize your job? Answer: it's not.
 
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Unions have created a "protection racket" they're no different than the mafia or the street gangs - they're nothing more than thugs in my opinion.

I worked in a union shop for almost 2 years and you know what I saw? epic laziness, and if we were lucky once every two weeks the union delegates would order a a feast for us on our break.

Beyond that they did NOTHING for me beyond telling me to work a lot less harder and to minimize my production quotas so I wouldn't "stand out" and set the same standards for the other lazy employees.

Also, when you're in a union it's damn near impossible to get fired unless you kill someone while drunk or high..

The union ethics where I worked were ****.
 
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Again, is this ordinarily considered appropriate workplace behavior that would not jeopardize your job? Answer: it's not.

Let's reverse the rulings that created the hostile environment.
 
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Oh, I don't think people are that hateful.

Well, most people....



Says the guy who condones Union Bullying and harassment.
 
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Let's reverse the rulings that created the hostile environment.

On its own merits, perhaps. Nevertheless, what created that hostile work environment was the union. Just because some want to act like children doesn't mean it should be rewarded.
 
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See my answer above:

In other words you want to force people through threat of jail time to give you more money. Sorry but no union is a government.
 
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So if what you are saying is true, those who complain they haven't achieved the success they think they deserve have been failed by their family, schools, community, and government.

Yes, partially. Individual initiative (will) is a factor, but it isn't the only factor. Luck (genetics and random chance), is also a factor, including whether you are lucky enough to be healthy, smart and physically strong. Many of the characteristics we consider virtues are skills or behaviors that one (if fortunate) learns at an early age, largely by the example of one's family and community. Those characteristics include perseverance, the ability to focus and complete a task, and the ability to reject instant gratification in exchange for a greater reward in the future.
 
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I get employed by the employer, not the union. When I become hired, I have *no* obligation to the union. They have no expectation of my money. The mere act of me being hired does not make me a thief.

If you take a job in a union shop you receive the benefit of the good wages, working conditions and benefits that the union and its members worked to obtain and maintain with a contract. In addition, the union will defend you if you are wrongly disciplined or fired. Not legally, but ethically, you are a thief if you don't pay the union for the services they provided that benefited you. The fact that someone is too arrogant or oblivious to appreciate what they union has done does not make it any less of a theft.
 
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On its own merits, perhaps. Nevertheless, what created that hostile work environment was the union. Just because some want to act like children doesn't mean it should be rewarded.
Unjust laws bring out the worst in people.
In other words you want to force people through threat of jail time to give you more money. Sorry but no union is a government.

I want people to pay for services rendered on their behalf. That's fair.
 
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[...] While unions often provide benefits, nowhere is it expected that each employee experience the Union sucking the money from their paycheck. [...]
Just ran across this. OMG :screwy
 
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scabs are only workers that cross picket lines to work. [...]
Go back, read post #254, and get a clue.

[...] if nothing then is done i sue both the union and the company for millions of dollars and retire.
Oops.... nevermind :screwy
 
Re: ‘Pressure tactics’: Unions publishing names of nonunion workers

Well, not exactly ...

The union DOES keep a list of available personnel. When an employer calls, they will send over a group that could be potentially hired. HOWEVER ... selection of the employee is the responsibility of the employer ONLY. Otherwise, the union would have a rather significant liability in that they would be responsible for the failure of the person's work performance, theft, incompetence, etc.

No union is going to take that on when they can't control the work environment.
Construction works different. Or at leased used to. Company calls for two carpenters and one pipefitter, union sends over two carpenters and one pipefitter. Some of this was day work, some of it was until the job (contract) was finished -- weeks or months. Maybe years. Called a job hall, or something similar (edit: hiring hall). Wasn't only construction.
 
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I get employed by the employer, not the union. When I become hired, I have *no* obligation to the union. They have no expectation of my money. The mere act of me being hired does not make me a thief.
Forget it; your argument has become intentionally obtuse, as any rational person can see. :2wave:
 
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Says the guy who condones Union Bullying and harassment.
Oh my, and now the lies begin. You should learn to lose more gracefully :)
 
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If you take a job in a union shop you receive the benefit of the good wages, working conditions and benefits that the union and its members worked to obtain and maintain with a contract. In addition, the union will defend you if you are wrongly disciplined or fired. Not legally, but ethically, you are a thief if you don't pay the union for the services they provided that benefited you. The fact that someone is too arrogant or oblivious to appreciate what they union has done does not make it any less of a theft.

That's crap, mate. I benefit from the union's activity, but that doesn't make my presence thievery and it certainly does not justify public ostracism. People have to be convinced to pay the dues. It's not an obligation.
 
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Just ran across this. OMG :screwy

Well, how is that any less true, guy? As soon as I get hired, am I punished by the employer or by the legal system for not contributing to the plate? If not, then yes, indeed, there is no expectation. If it is my right to do it, then you're still wrong.
 
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Forget it; your argument has become intentionally obtuse, as any rational person can see. :2wave:

No, it's not. What's fascinating to me is how apparently simple workplace policy and decency has gone out the window simply because you folks wave the union flags with gusto. I have to resort to having a similar opinion as the anti-unionists, for Christ's sake. This is absolutely pathetic to me.
 
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I am still trying to wrap my head around the concept of having to "pay" a union to keep a job.
 
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No, it's not. [...]
Yes it has, as I clearly quoted. That you now want to get on the soapbox is irrelevant... you should have got on it before posting the garbage that I quoted. As to joining the anti-unionists, just like the union no one forced you to join ;)

As far as workplace decency is concerned, not undermining your fellow workers would fall into that category as well, but you clearly refuse to acknowledge that with irrational arguments.
 
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Unjust laws bring out the worst in people.


I want people to pay for services rendered on their behalf. That's fair.

So you're against all forms of public assistance?
 
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So you're against all forms of public assistance?
There is a difference between needing assistance and simply taking it. Again, that should be obvious to anyone interested in an honest discussion.
 
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