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1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died[W:33]

I predict if one more West African enters into this Country and winds up in one of our Hospitals with Ebola, there will be a travel ban.

England and France have already instituted a ban.

Amazingly, I disagree. I believe the current administration including the CDC all the way up to the WH is so arrogant and out of touch with reality, that travel will continue unabated.
 
The range of knowledge of many of the posters on DP is impressive.

Interesting that some of the same folk that post on this thread about how contagious ebola is, speak with incredible authority and contrary to virtually every expert on contagious diseases. They speak with incredible affirmation, without the benefit of credible scientific evidence for their position, nor, to my knowledge any credential of formal training in the field of medicine or bio-chemistry. Impressive.

Even more impressive, many of these medical commentators speak with equal authority on matters of economics, often taking positions contrary to noble prize winning economists, again with out the benefit of any collaborating academic evidence or personal credential.

Then, many of these same people can be found arguing with a tone of conviction (their conviction) about controversial criminal cases where much of the evidence isn't even in the public domain. We can only assume that many of these posters are actual witnesses to the crime at hand.

I don't know, it just seems improbable that these people are really credible experts on so many things. Perhaps, they just think they are and thus, instead of actually adding anything credible to the discussion and educating others, they are doing the opposite in presenting their misguided impressions and just dumbing down the discussion.... just a thought.
 
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The thing with Ebola is that, it's not contagious when you don't have symptoms. So you can fly, kiss, have sex with a person who has it, and as long as their not symptomatic, you're fine. Best thing about Ebola is that when you are sick, you are VERY SICK. That means, you aren't leaving your house to get on an airplane and fly across the globe.

Also, you could kiss someone with Ebola and still not catch it. Remember, it's bodily secretions... not merely bodily fluids.

What?

•blood or body fluids (including but not limited to urine, saliva, sweat, feces, vomit, breast milk, and semen) of a person who is sick with Ebola

Transmission | Ebola Hemorrhagic Fever | CDC
 
Amazingly, I disagree. I believe the current administration including the CDC all the way up to the WH is so arrogant and out of touch with reality, that travel will continue unabated.

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The range of knowledge of many of the posters on DP is impressive.

Interesting that some of the same folk that post on this thread about how contagious ebola is, speak with incredible authority and contrary to virtually every expert on contagious diseases. They speak with incredible affirmation, without the benefit of credible scientific evidence for their position, nor, to my knowledge any credential of formal training in the field of medicine or bio-chemistry. Impressive.

Even more impressive, many of these medical commentators speak with equal authority on matters of economics, often taking positions contrary to noble prize winning economists, again with out the benefit of any collaborating academic evidence or personal credential.

Then, many of these same people can be found arguing with a tone of conviction (their conviction) about controversial criminal cases where much of the evidence isn't even in the public domain. We can only assume that many of these posters are actual witnesses to the crime at hand.

I don't know, it just seems improbable that these people are really credible experts on so many things. Perhaps, they just think they are and thus, instead of actually adding anything credible to the discussion and educating others, they are doing the opposite in presenting their misguided impressions and just dumbing down the discussion.... just a thought.
You posted this to be ironic didn't you?
 
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No, being aware of information is never a bad thing. But prioritizing that information even though it is statistically irrelevant compared to much larger ongoing issues is silly and just feeds into the news frenzy du jour.

Not really. Altho I do see the media helping to promote some misinformation and hype, there is a real danger...in lives but even more in the economy. If panic and poor quarantine management get out of hand....the economy will take a huge dive.
 
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I think the fact that we here in the US could not help just one person with ebola is a big issue.

We helped 2 already.

And apparently they ran out of what they used to cure them for this guy.

It is concerning overall tho, yes.
 
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Well, so much for backwards cultures. You suppose that this'll reduce the amount of tribal based conflicts in the area? I mean, the natural resources are at the same level, but fewer people / tribes competing for them.

Up until about the 1950s here, many people still brought their dead home and prepared their bodies for burial. Usually on the kitchen table.

It wasnt about being 'backwards,' it was about caring for family and fewer 'businesses' profiting from death. Not sure how that would be considered 'backwards.'
 
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Up until about the 1950s here, many people still brought their dead home and prepared their bodies for burial. Usually on the kitchen table.

It wasnt about being 'backwards,' it was about caring for family and fewer 'businesses' profiting from death. Not sure how that would be considered 'backwards.'

I understand about wanting to care for deceased family members, but the cultural aspect of touching the dead is probably one of the worst things to do with an Ebola deceased. Not to mention that the vast majority are believing that Ebola is a government hoax, developed by the white man to kill the black man, etc. etc. All of which only serve to make the outbreak even more costly in lives. Yeah, I'd call it a backwards culture, and if not that, at the very least a very ill-informed culture.
 
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I understand about wanting to care for deceased family members, but the cultural aspect of touching the dead is probably one of the worst things to do with an Ebola deceased. Not to mention that the vast majority are believing that Ebola is a government hoax, developed by the white man to kill the black man, etc. etc. All of which only serve to make the outbreak even more costly in lives. Yeah, I'd call it a backwards culture, and if not that, at the very least a very ill-informed culture.

I was not aware that the populations in those countries held a widespread belief that whites invented Ebola to kill them.

Do you have any sources for that?

And if you are living in America, you are living in a very ill-informed country. *Lots* of information does not equal 'well-informed.'

Millions of Americans still believe the president was born in Kenya.
 
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I was not aware that the populations in those countries held a widespread belief that whites invented Ebola to kill them.

Do you have any sources for that?

And if you are living in America, you are living in a very ill-informed country. *Lots* of information does not equal 'well-informed.'

Millions of Americans still believe the president was born in Kenya.

I've heard it reported from a number of sources, so I'm inclined to believe it (of course, it may be wrong, but usually when from multiple sources, it ends up being right).

Well what do you know. It's our very own race hustler.

The White Man Created Ebola To Kill Black People, Says Noted Scientist Louis Farrakhan | The Daily Caller

Farrakhan claims Ebola invented to kill off blacks | Fox News

And denying Ebola is a generally held belief by some in the middle of the outbreak areas

Denying Ebola Turns Out To Be A Very Human Response : Goats and Soda : NPR

Yeah, rather ill-informed in both of these cases I'd say.

Oh, and yes, I agree. Mountains of misleading and contradictory data <> informed.
 
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I've heard it reported from a number of sources, so I'm inclined to believe it (of course, it may be wrong, but usually when from multiple sources, it ends up being right).

Well what do you know. It's our very own race hustler.

The White Man Created Ebola To Kill Black People, Says Noted Scientist Louis Farrakhan | The Daily Caller

Farrakhan claims Ebola invented to kill off blacks | Fox News

And denying Ebola is a generally held belief by some in the middle of the outbreak areas

Denying Ebola Turns Out To Be A Very Human Response : Goats and Soda : NPR

Yeah, rather ill-informed in both of these cases I'd say.

Oh, and yes, I agree. Mountains of misleading and contradictory data <> informed.

None of those supports your claims.

Farrakhan's opinions were not spread in Africa and the one about Ebola denial in Africa did not mention blaming it on whites/whites inventing it to wipe them out.
 
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Not really. Altho I do see the media helping to promote some misinformation and hype, there is a real danger...in lives but even more in the economy. If panic and poor quarantine management get out of hand....the economy will take a huge dive.

I don't see what anybody is supposed to do in reaction to hype and manufactured panic beyond handling an ongoing concern in the most practical way they can. And by explaining that it's hype and panic as well, I guess.
 
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None of those supports your claims.

Farrakhan's opinions were not spread in Africa and the one about Ebola denial in Africa did not mention blaming it on whites/whites inventing it to wipe them out.

A report from Africa:

“The people living in these areas said there’s no such thing as ebola,” said a district doctor who spoke on condition of anonymity. “They have their traditional beliefs and their traditional cures and they look up to their traditional leaders. Until we can bring the traditional leaders onside, it will be very difficult to convince them that ebola even exists.”

As the death toll from the latest outbreak of the world’s deadliest virus climbed to 467 – far exceeding the previous most lethal outbreak which killed 254 people in Congo – officials and health workers are battling a surge of infections propelled by misinformation and doubt about the disease’s existence on one side, and mistrust of scandal-hit governments on the other.
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But an alarmingly wide spread is partly down to geography. “The deaths have been increasing because of traditional burial rites in that region,” said Tolbert Nyenswah, Liberia’s deputy chief medical officer. The Kissi ethnicity, found in all three countries, traditionally keep their dead at home for several days, and mourners touch the deceased’s head frequently before burial.
. . . .
A doctor in Sierra Leone said patients’ families often attempted to break them out of treatment centres – often successfully. “Some of them are in denial and that it is something they can treat at home, and faith healers are one of the problems for us. When you have patients disappearing like that, you don’t know where the virus will appear next.”
. . . .
Ebola was initially viewed as a government conspiracy to depopulate Sierra Leone’s Kailahun district, and fierce resistance to the arrival of health workers culminated in the stoning of a Doctors Without Borders vehicle. In Liberia, many remain adamant the outbreak is a hoax from government officials seeking to distract from a series of recent scandals, or for health officials to rake in public funds.
. . . .
Health workers at the frontline of the battle – often the first to die – face other challenges. Last week, riots broke out and an ambulance was attacked as family members fought to reclaim a victim’s corpse from a hospital in Kenema, Sierra Leone’s third largest city. On the same day, a three-man burial team was chased out of the Liberian town of Banjol where they went to bury a victim. “We need to find a special place to bury these corpses, if not, the bodies will keep piling up on us,” a member of the team said, adding that families often refused to come forward to identify dead relatives for fear of catching it.
. . . .
But when the outbreak first began, popular text messages circulating in Guinea said an antidote could be found in a concoction of hot chocolate, coffee, milk, raw onions and sugar.

“Ebola, ebola, ebola. I hear it everywhere,” said Adama Sherry from behind her market stall in Sierra Leone’s Tombo, a fishing village as yet unaffected by the virus. Sherry admitted she couldn’t list the symptoms, causes or precautions.

Nearby, a local school had recently emptied out when word spread of routine blood tests being carried out – rumour had it that the needles would infect children with ebola.

Liberia’s health ministry has begun putting images of ebola-ravaged corpses in newspapers and on television. “They are very graphic but it is working – people are starting to see that ebola is not just a spiritual thing that you can cure through going to church,” Nyenswah, the deputy chief medical officer, said.
Fear and ignorance as ebola 'out of control' in parts of west Africa | World news | The Guardian

<*Sigh*> All true, as I said.
 
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Greetings, Erik. :2wave:

It is interesting that after even seeing the bodies of those that have died from Ebola, many are still in denial about the cause. And cultural beliefs and general distrust of the government add to the problem. How frustrating for the doctors and other medical personnel that are trying to help them, many dying in the process. Fear and ignorance, and adherance to old beliefs, can go hand in hand with "modern" things like television, it seems! :shock:
 
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And yet your original claim was that they feared a plot (and possibly rejected care) because they believed white people had invented Ebola to get rid of blacks.

Are you planning on supporting that at any point? That was the claim I called out as unsubstantiated. It still is.
 
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I'm just wondering who is going to pick up the tab for this deadbeats $500,000 in medical bills..........oh that's right it's me.....one of the 50 percent of Americans good enough to pay taxes.......we're already taking care of the other 50 percent......this asshole got a visitor visa by lying and came to this country knowing he had Ebola. .....putting many others in harms way.
 
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I'm just wondering who is going to pick up the tab for this deadbeats $500,000 in medical bills..........oh that's right it's me.....one of the 50 percent of Americans good enough to pay taxes.......we're already taking care of the other 50 percent......this asshole got a visitor visa by lying and came to this country knowing he had Ebola. .....putting many others in harms way.

Uh, not that I'm a fan of it, but that was sort of the point of Obamacare, so you wouldn't have to pick up the tab right? Come to think of it, I wonder if he was insured...
 
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And yet your original claim was that they feared a plot (and possibly rejected care) because they believed white people had invented Ebola to get rid of blacks.

Are you planning on supporting that at any point? That was the claim I called out as unsubstantiated. It still is.

Why do you think they are so hesitant on going to medical facilities? They see those places not as somewhere you go to get better, but as somewhere you go to die. As in they kill you...
 
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Why do you think they are so hesitant on going to medical facilities? They see those places not as somewhere you go to get better, but as somewhere you go to die. As in they kill you...

Are you saying it is because they believe that white people invented Ebola to rid the world of blacks? That was the claim. If you'd like to source it, cool.
 
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Uh, not that I'm a fan of it, but that was sort of the point of Obamacare, so you wouldn't have to pick up the tab right? Come to think of it, I wonder if he was insured...

You know the answer to that question.......
 
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Are you saying it is because they believe that white people invented Ebola to rid the world of blacks? That was the claim. If you'd like to source it, cool.

Put it to you this way, they aren't refusing medical treatment because they think the medical professionals (many now are white) are trying to help them.

But how about hearing it from a Liberian Assistant Minister of Health:

Vice News said:
There's often extreme reluctance among those who contract the illness to reach out for help when they become sick. Those tasked with coordinating the medical response to the outbreak say that they are encountering fear and even violent hostility when they try to help. “We are being met with high resistance — sometimes people say that health workers are bringing Ebola into communities,” says Liberia's Assistant Minister of Health Tolbert Nyenswah. He describes a recent situation in which Liberian health officials had to beat a hasty retreat after people they suspected of hiding ill family members threw stones at them.

Also

Vice News said:
In April, a Médecins Sans Frontières/Doctors Without Borders (MSF) treatment facility in southern Guinea was attacked by a mob. Health workers are considered to be at high risk for contracting Ebola, which kills as many as 90 percent of those who are infected — earlier this week in Liberia, a Ugandan doctor who was treating Ebola patients in Monrovia died from the illness. According to the Ministry of Health and Social Welfare, 10 healthcare workers in Liberia contracted the disease in the past month; eight of them died.

In an interview with VICE News, an MSF staff member who recently returned from Guinea described a tense environment for responders, explaining that the facility was attacked because locals heard a rumor that MSF had brought the virus to Guinea. “We were chased out of quite a lot of villages,” she says. “President [Alpha Condé] sent a delegation to sensitize the population, to get them to understand that Ebola exists. They were attacked and were evacuated the day after they arrived.”

The fear and anger in communities is to some extent perfectly understandable. “Ebola works inversely," the MSF worker explains. "Normally if you have someone who is sick, you take them to the hospital and they get better. With Ebola, you have to negotiate bringing someone to the hospital because they’ll almost certainly die there.”

When villagers notice a relative or friend becoming sick, fear and the potential for stigma overrides good judgment, and the victim is hidden away rather than taken to containment facilities, which are viewed as de facto morgues. Eventually, deaths in the community mount and residents reach out to organizations like MSF for help, but not before potential carriers have traveled elsewhere.

Why Don't West Africans Believe Ebola Is Real?
 
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Put it to you this way, they aren't refusing medical treatment because they think the medical professionals (many now are white) are trying to help them.

But how about hearing it from a Liberian Assistant Minister of Health:



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Why Don't West Africans Believe Ebola Is Real?

What ...The...****?

You ALSO did not remotely post a single thing regarding the claim that eorhornbrger made that stated, "they are refusing treatment because they believe that white people invented Ebola to rid the world of blacks."

Am I writing in a different language????
 
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Yep, 21 day incubation period.

But hey, we'll fly them in by the plane load.
True. 150 per day, on average. What could possibly go wrong?
 
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