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1st Ebola patient diagnosed in the US has died[W:33]

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Cardinal said:
See the number of deaths from flu per year, which is far worse than ebola due to actually being airborne. 53,826 people died from influenza and pneumonia in 2010. (cdc)
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I already made a reference to more flu deaths in post #16.

An estimated 36 million people have died from HIV/AIDS since the first cases were reported in 1981. The potential for long term spread and high kill ratios is there, regardless of how much you want to state death stats. I'm not advocating wearing masks, surgical gloves and hiding in your home, but being aware of information is never a bad thing. ;)
 
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grip said:
I already made a reference to more flu deaths in post #16.

An estimated 36 million people have died from HIV/AIDS since the first cases were reported in 1981. The potential for long term spread and high kill ratios is there, regardless of how much you want to state death stats. I'm not advocating wearing masks, surgical gloves and hiding in your home, but being aware of information is never a bad thing. ;)
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No, being aware of information is never a bad thing. But prioritizing that information even though it is statistically irrelevant compared to much larger ongoing issues is silly and just feeds into the news frenzy du jour.
 
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Cardinal said:
1634 people died of heart disease the day Duncan died from ebola.
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At some random day in 1338 fewer people in Europe died of the black plague than died of malnutrition... I'm sure the half of Europe who would, within the subsequent four years, be dead from the plague took some comfort in that.
 
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grip said:
News shows last night were reporting how much more deadly, the overall typical flu is because of the amount of people that contract and die from it each year. But most of them are all older and already in poor health, it doesn't have a 50-90% kill ratio and this Ebola pandemic hasn't run its course yet.
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Perhaps you have been paying attention, but you should know that the reason for kill ration of Ebola being as high as it has been has more to do with the society than it does with the actual disease. Also, There's been three cases so far that have been handled in the US, and 2 were cured. Sadly, I think Duncan was just too far along for the new drug to really do any good. In any event, that means the kill ratio in the US is 33%, not even 50%.
 
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grip said:
The danger appears, from what I've read, is that they think this new outbreak may be more virulent than previous ones, hence the difficulty in containing it this time with previously similar and successfully used methods. It's not impossible that in close quarters this current strain isn't somewhat airborne from coughed up sputum particles or that it's more highly contagious upon surface contact.

There's probably going to be more incidents in the coming months of people contracting the disease and traveling here with it. Hopefully, they catch them and quarantine anyone they contact while sick. That's the other thing they're questioning is how many obvious symptoms does someone have to display before they're actually becoming contagious?

Also, three Ugandans are being monitored in medical isolation for possibly contracting the Ebola-like Marburg virus, after a hospital worker died. This seems to be the year of the virus.


Three Ugandans in isolation after Ebola-like Marburg virus death
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The virulence has been the issue as reported here since the outbreak. Locally, we have a lot of faith in our Disease Control proceedures after the SARS outbreak, and other regions have learned from us.

However, even at this late juncture they do not fully understand exactly what they are dealing with. A Spanish nurses appears to have become infected simply by touching her face with a gloved hand.

Ebola: Infected Spanish nursing aide touched face with glove - World - CBC News'

Ebola outbreak: Here's what you need to know - Health - CBC News

What is of deep concern about the Dallas patient is this : Duncan carried the deadly virus with him from his home in Liberia, though he showed no symptoms when he left for the United States. He arrived in Dallas Sept. 20 and fell ill several days later. His condition was downgraded during the weekend from serious to critical.


That gestation period is rather long and very critical.
 
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I think that in about 3-4 weeks we will see that significant progress is being made in Africa, will still take several months to stamp out this outbreak, but their is awareness now, and some infrastructure on the ground to start containing this.
 
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Cardinal said:
No, being aware of information is never a bad thing. But prioritizing that information even though it is statistically irrelevant compared to much larger ongoing issues is silly and just feeds into the news frenzy du jour.
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If you find it so irrelevant, then don't worry about it. But I have a right to report News info and be wary of gov't slacking off, due to over confidence and arrogance. I mean look at how well they're handling that ME problem, real confidence builder. And I'm not screaming the sky is falling or posting untrue material, people can make their own minds up to either read or ignore it. You're not the sole source of prioritizing for everyone.
 
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Fenton said:
You first !

Because all I see are CDC officials walking around wearing space suits while I'm being told to wash my hands.
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If you were talking about the ones cleaning the apartment, there's a good reason for that because I would assume if he's been sick there, his bodily secretions would be everywhere.

But beyond that, Ebola is transmitted in a very particular way. There's a reason why in the 30 or 40 years of this disease's existence, there's never been a reported outbreak in any country outside of Africa. This isn't the flu; it doesn't transmit through droplets in the air.
 
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Just curious, we can make reference to other causes of death (specifically from diseases) as long as we sure to put it into context with Ebola yes?
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Perhaps you have been paying attention, but you should know that the reason for kill ration of Ebola being as high as it has been has more to do with the society than it does with the actual disease. Also, There's been three cases so far that have been handled in the US, and 2 were cured. Sadly, I think Duncan was just too far along for the new drug to really do any good. In any event, that means the kill ratio in the US is 33%, not even 50%.
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Though the kill rate is lower, I wouldn't count on a number of 3 being completely accurate without a vaccine available.



Fearandloathing said:
The virulence has been the issue as reported here since the outbreak. Locally, we have a lot of faith in our Disease Control proceedures after the SARS outbreak, and other regions have learned from us.

However, even at this late juncture they do not fully understand exactly what they are dealing with. A Spanish nurses appears to have become infected simply by touching her face with a gloved hand.

Ebola: Infected Spanish nursing aide touched face with glove - World - CBC News'

Ebola outbreak: Here's what you need to know - Health - CBC News

What is of deep concern about the Dallas patient is this : Duncan carried the deadly virus with him from his home in Liberia, though he showed no symptoms when he left for the United States. He arrived in Dallas Sept. 20 and fell ill several days later. His condition was downgraded during the weekend from serious to critical.


That gestation period is rather long and very critical.
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Yea, I'd rather we err on the side of caution with something that has the potential to cause so much damage, economically and health wise. And the incubation period and uncertain transmittable nature are becoming more of a concern than just the treatability.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Not all unexpected. I heard yesterday he was downgraded to critical. What I'm more interested in at this point is just how many people will actually come down with Ebola from the 52 people that had some form of contact with him. That will ultimately decide just how big an issue Ebola will become.
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I think the fact that we here in the US could not help just one person with ebola is a big issue.
 
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grip said:
If you find it so irrelevant, then don't worry about it. But I have a right to report News info and be wary of gov't slacking off, due to over confidence and arrogance. I mean look at how well they're handling that ME problem, real confidence builder. And I'm not screaming the sky is falling or posting untrue material, people can make their own minds up to either read or ignore it. You're not the sole source of prioritizing for everyone.
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Correction: I find it statistically irrelevant. As I said in another thread, all communicable diseases should be treated with concern. However, considering how ebola is transmitted and our resources vs. the medical resources of African countries currently plagued by Ebola, there's absolutely no reason to be bent out of shape about this disease unless you're in the habit of touching people who died from ebola and subsequently licking your hands. As news frenzies go, it's no less silly than freaking out because one teenager killed himself after playing Dungeons and Dragons.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Just curious, we can make reference to other causes of death (specifically from diseases) as long as we sure to put it into context with Ebola yes?
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CRUE CAB said:
I think the fact that we here in the US could not help just one person with ebola is a big issue.
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One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.

grip said:
Though the kill rate is lower, I wouldn't count on a number of 3 being completely accurate without a vaccine available.
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You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.
 
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Cardinal said:
Correction: I find it statistically irrelevant. As I said in another thread, all communicable diseases should be treated with concern. However, considering how ebola is transmitted and our resources vs. the medical resources of African countries currently plagued by Ebola, there's absolutely no reason to be bent out of shape about this disease unless you're in the habit of touching people who died from ebola and subsequently licking your hands. As news frenzies go, it's no less silly than freaking out because one teenager killed himself after playing Dungeons and Dragons.
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You believe that everyone whose caught this disease has touched someone sick, not simply had surface or material contact, and then they licked their hands? I think that's exaggerating or they wouldn't wear such heavy protection when working with the sick, and I've heard several doctors on TV start to speculate just how contagious this particular strain really is in comparison to earlier versions, because of how wide spread this epidemic has become. Also, every time someone catches the virus it mutates as it interacts with their DNA, so the more it spreads the higher likelihood of it either getting easier or harder to catch.

I still believe from the low numbers that's it's not a particularly great worry but it is concerning enough to talk about.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.



You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.
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If you're talking about the experimental anti-viral medication we used on the the Doctor and aid worker that returned from Africa then we DON'T have a cure.

They ran out of that medication and it has never been touted as a cure.

What Duncan recieved was a new anti-viral that was never tested on Ebola patients.

We still haven't been able to " Cure " a virus.
 
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Cardinal said:
See the number of deaths from flu per year, which is far worse than ebola due to actually being airborne. 53,826 people died from influenza and pneumonia in 2010. (cdc)
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To be fair and I know this point has been made many times.

Influenza tends to kill those not in and of itself, but due to other circumstances which influenza exacerbates.

I believe Ebola is different in the fact that the deaths are a direct outcome of catching the disease and not a byproduct of other circumstances and the death is pretty ****ing horrific.

I dunno, I totally get where you're going with what you've been saying and I'm inclined to agree to a certain extent and I'm not all that worried about it knowing the way in which we can manage any potential outbreak.

But I can understand why many are concerned.
 
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grip said:
You believe that everyone whose caught this disease has touched someone sick, not simply had surface or material contact, and then they licked their hands? I think that's exaggerating or they wouldn't wear such heavy protection when working with the sick, and I've heard several doctors on TV start to speculate just how contagious this particular strain really is in comparison to earlier versions, because of how wide spread this epidemic has become. Also, every time someone catches the virus it mutates as it interacts with their DNA, so the more it spreads the higher likelihood of it either getting easier or harder to catch.

I still believe from the low numbers that's it's not a particularly great worry but it is concerning enough to talk about.
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I was joking to make a point that you have to be actively irresponsible to catch the disease, unlike the flu where all you really need is the dumb bad luck to be in the proximity of someone who suddenly coughs in your face at the supermarket.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.
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I agree overall health, age and immune response have a lot to do with recovery.



You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.
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Last I heard the overall mortality rate in Africa so far was around 40-50%, but they have deplorable conditions, supplies, practices and facilities.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
One person who was already too far gone when he went for help. We have a cure for Ebola, but it would of been pointless to use it on the guy, and would of only delayed it's roll out had they chosen to use it. We also don't know how healthy the man was to begin with, which is equally important to what treatment he could of received in the US.



You're right that 3 isn't enough for an accurate picture. But there have also examples in Africa where Hospitals record kill ratios at 25%, when the yocals decide to cooperate.
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Wrong, no cure for Ebola exists.
 
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Cardinal said:
See the number of deaths from flu per year, which is far worse than ebola due to actually being airborne. 53,826 people died from influenza and pneumonia in 2010. (cdc)
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So Ebola is of no concern at all because people died from other things?

is that what you are saying?
 
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Cardinal said:
I was joking to make a point that you have to be actively irresponsible to catch the disease, unlike the flu where all you really need is the dumb bad luck to be in the proximity of someone who suddenly coughs in your face at the supermarket.
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I'm not really that scared yet either. I'd like to see the WHO, Europe and US gov't respond a little better. And unless something drastically changes, I don't see a raging pandemic happening yet.

One Newscaster last night was saying, do everyone a favor and sneeze into your folded arm at the elbow, instead of your hands, because surface to mouth contact is the highest probability of catching the flu....lol
 
Treating Ebola like Aids was treated in the 80s is going to cost lives.

Thats my only concern.

Heard today that Ebola survives in a male survivors semen for 90 days after they recover.
 
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Hamster Buddha said:
Not all unexpected. I heard yesterday he was downgraded to critical. What I'm more interested in at this point is just how many people will actually come down with Ebola from the 52 people that had some form of contact with him. That will ultimately decide just how big an issue Ebola will become.
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I heard that as well and was expecting this news. I feel sorry for anyone who had contact with him. If I did, I'd be worried as hell.
 
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