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U.S. Nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients.....

CRUE CAB said:
And if they contract ebola? Is that what they signed up for?
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Yes, that's what they signed up for.

You haven't been in the military?
 
MMC said:
Here is some more info WCH showed me Liz......note they didn't mention secondary contacts the first few reports out. I wonder how this Doctor.....can't see people sneezing coughing, slobbering all in a subway, or on a bus, train, or plane.


It could happen again, said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a telephone news briefing on Thursday. He said there was no way to detect the disease during the incubation period — the interval before symptoms set in — so other infected people could pass fever checks at airports in West Africa, just as Mr. Duncan did, and board planes to the United States.

But Dr. Frieden emphasized that the odds of contracting Ebola in the United States were still extremely low. The disease is not contagious during the incubation period, and patients do not transmit it until they develop symptoms, he said. And those with symptoms will probably feel sick enough to stay home. People are highly unlikely to catch the disease on the bus or subway, Dr. Frieden said. The incubation period can run from two to 21 days, but is usually eight to 10. The first symptoms are typically fever, aches and pains, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Even after they set in, it takes direct contact with bodily fluids to transmit Ebola. Blood, vomit, urine and diarrhea from very sick patients are highly infectious, but other body fluids like sweat, saliva, tears, semen and breast milk are also risky. Direct contact means that the fluids splash or spray into someone else’s mouth, eyes or nose, or enter the bloodstream through cuts or breaks in the skin.

According to the C.D.C., the virus can survive for a few hours on dry surfaces like doorknobs and countertops. But it can survive for several days in puddles or other collections of body fluid at room temperature. It is not clear how long it may survive in soiled linens and clothing. Bleach solutions can kill it.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/u...on=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article
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I'm just saying that nurses using universal precautions should actually be effective a preventing spread in their immediate environment. Of course, that doesn't mean that housekeeping, lab personnel, radiology, or doctors and other health care personnel won't be a potential problem, and there are (of course) nurses who don't practice universal precautions as well as they are trained to do. I treat every patient as if they are a potential source of infection, because in effect, they are. We all are.
 
Presser right now, better start listening boys and girls.
 
mak2 said:
I am betting the flu will kill lots more people in US than Ebola. Got your flu shot yet?
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Yes but most of those people that die from the flu will be the elderly and those with poor health already. Ebola can kill a perfectly healthy person.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
Yes but most of those people that die from the flu will be the elderly and those with poor health already. Ebola can kill a perfectly healthy person.
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Oh well old people don't matter.
 
ecofarm said:
Yes, Africans don't wash their hands.


:roll:
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Correct. No clean water infrastructure, no hospital network to treat people, no clean running water, citizen ignorance to what to do. Now Uncle Sap needs to go fix it to the tune of how many millions of tax payer dollars and possible introduction of the illness to our troops.
 
WCH said:
I'm betting that these nurses see doctors in Africa [with the whole hazmat uniform] dying right and left and they want nothing to do with Ebola patients.

Sounds pretty rational if you ask me.
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Fenton said:
Yes, Ebola patients in " quarantine " is the new normal in Obamas America.

Given the fact that the CDC has been utterly INCOMPETENT so far in dealing with this threat, I'm overwhelmed with confidence when I hear a Government official tell me " things are under control ".

It took the CDC 5 DAYS to clean and secure that apartment in Dallas.

When Matt Lauer asked the head if the CDC what took so long, he answered that " bleach was used "...

Wow. The daughter of the women that lived there brought over Bleach NOT the CDC

What's the deal ? Why can't Obama pick competent people to run his agencies?
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Meadowlark said:
This is serious as we have all ready witnessed the ball being dropped with the first case, even after they said we were prepared.

Every person involved with a possible Ebola patient should have training to protect themselves and the general public. If the nurses are worried, so should be the entire institution where they work and every person walking in.

Thanks for the article
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This is all hyped up and pathetic. I'd bash fox news for over hyping it, but it's the media's job for reporting on the news and if Obama is going to make a big deal about it with a news conference then the blame stops there. Do you guys even know what Ebola is? You transmit the disease from prolonged exposure to bodily SECRETIONS, not just fluid. This isn't a case like the flu (which will kill 20,000 Americans in this country this year, as opposed to this "global epidemic" which has so far killed 936 people in total... all of which in Africa) where the disease can be carried in droplets in the air. Heck, did you know that even if you kissed a person with Ebola, you're still not going to catch it. The only reason Ebola is as scary as it is, is because it's in Africa where there is extreme poverty, poor sewage treatment (or people just poop, pee, and bathe in the same water source), and they still believe doctors look like this:

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If the disease started here in the use, you'd end up with probably ten or so cases a year and that's all. So how about we all relax and stop perpetuating the idea that this is something bigger than it will be. Hell Swine Flu was scarier than this... and killed more people (it's estimated that since 2009, over 500,000 people have died from that. For god's sake, Malaria has killed more people world wide than Ebola!
 
CRUE CAB said:
Correct. No clean water infrastructure, no hospital network to treat people, no clean running water, citizen ignorance to what to do. Now Uncle Sap needs to go fix it to the tune of how many millions of tax payer dollars and possible introduction of the illness to our troops.
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Would you prefer a continued spread of the disease that further increases the risk to Americans?
 
CRUE CAB said:
Correct. No clean water infrastructure, no hospital network to treat people, no clean running water, citizen ignorance to what to do. Now Uncle Sap needs to go fix it to the tune of how many millions of tax payer dollars and possible introduction of the illness to our troops.
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Africa has clean water infrastructure and fire to boil water. It has hospitals. It has clean running water. Its citizens are no more ignorant than the average American.

I'm guessing you've never been there.

And yes, they wash their hands.
 
Fenton said:
Yes, Ebola patients in " quarantine " is the new normal in Obamas America.

Given the fact that the CDC has been utterly INCOMPETENT so far in dealing with this threat, I'm overwhelmed with confidence when I hear a Government official tell me " things are under control ".

It took the CDC 5 DAYS to clean and secure that apartment in Dallas.

When Matt Lauer asked the head if the CDC what took so long, he answered that " bleach was used "...

Wow. The daughter of the women that lived there brought over Bleach NOT the CDC

What's the deal ? Why can't Obama pick competent people to run his agencies?
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There you go again. Never mind many of these people were in place before Obama came on the scene.

How about holding Perry accountable for telling us all is well in Texas and we've got this under control?
 
WCH said:
I'm betting that these nurses see doctors in Africa [with the whole hazmat uniform] dying right and left and they want nothing to do with Ebola patients.

Sounds pretty rational if you ask me.
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Doctors in hazmat suits dying right and left? Hyperbole much? I don't think there are enough doctors over there to die right and left.
 
FaceofBachmann said:
Too bad the conservatives in Congress cut the CDC's budget. Maybe those extra hundred of millions could be used for equipment and training.

But what's more important, public safety or showing some guy in a trailer that you're a budget hawk?

Meanwhile, the fact that the US doesn't have universal health care coverage, but rather a system to discourage sick people from going to the doctor, is likely to come back an haunt us on this one. Europe isn't freaking out over this. We are. And for good reason. We have set up a system that encourage communicable diseases to spread, all due to conservative ideology about "free markets" versus socialism.
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Looks like the Euro Socialists are just as inept as the Obama adminstration and CDC. Belguim is still taking incoming flights from the craphole Ebola-plauged countries.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Lessee, yesterday morning it was 18 persons they were worried about having contact with the patient. Then later in the day it 80, and by the time I went home. It was 100.
That is how it starts.
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Heya Crue. :2wave: Which doesn't count any secondary contacts he came in contact with.
 
ecofarm said:
Africa has clean water infrastructure and fire to boil water. It has hospitals. It has clean running water. Its citizens are no more ignorant than the average American.

I'm guessing you've never been there.

And yes, they wash their hands.
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Then just what happened Dr Eco? You saying all reports of what I posted are false. Even though they are common knowledge to begin with.
 
MMC said:
Heya Crue. :2wave: Which doesn't count any secondary contacts he came in contact with.
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They need to count everyone on the planes, at the terminals, in his family and all others families that he came in contact with. Pretty much hundreds if not thousands by the time you extrapolate that out.
But hey, listen to some of the posters here. Its all ok. Nothing to worry about.
 
Deuce said:
Dear Nurses:

Same way you handle another infectious disease. ****, you deal with influenza daily, and that spreads way easier.
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But influenze doesn't have a 50 percent fatality rate...

It reminds me of loading bombs on aircraft that weren't live and then moving on to the real thing. Somehow the real thing that could kill you was a little different.
 
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CRUE CAB said:
Then just what happened Dr Eco? You saying all reports of what I posted are false. Even though they are common knowledge to begin with.
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You didn't post any reports. You posted a litany of racist bilge.
 
EnigmaO01 said:
There you go again. Never mind many of these people were in place before Obama came on the scene.

How about holding Perry accountable for telling us all is well in Texas and we've got this under control?
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That would totally kill the partisan overreacting. Can't do that.
 
Flamethrower said:
Looks like the Euro Socialists are just as inept as the Obama adminstration and CDC. Belguim is still taking incoming flights from the craphole Ebola-plauged countries.
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Because Belgium has universal health care coverage, and because they don't discourage their citizens from going to doctors (the freakish conservative "hypochondriac thesis"), and because they have invested wisely in modern infrastructure by taxing the wealthy, they have nothing to fear from a disease.

We do, however, because we did the Stupid Thing -- we followed conservative policies, cut CDC funding, cut infrastructure funding, and refused to join the modern world with universal single payer health care.
 
northwinds said:
Not a problem........just keep bringing in those daily flights from West Africa Mr. President..........and keep letting those disease ridden children into the country to infect our children.......America, the new definition of insanity.
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Daily flights from Africa eh? I wasn't aware there were that many Africans that could afford a transcontinental flight let alone a doctor. LMAO

Disease ridden children? WTF?
 
CRUE CAB said:
They need to count everyone on the planes, at the terminals, in his family and all others families that he came in contact with. Pretty much hundreds if not thousands by the time you extrapolate that out.
But hey, listen to some of the posters here. Its all ok. Nothing to worry about.
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They really don't. Ebola isn't communicable until you're showing symptoms. If he showed no symptoms, he didn't spread it on the plane or airport.
 
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