• This is a political forum that is non-biased/non-partisan and treats every person's position on topics equally. This debate forum is not aligned to any political party. In today's politics, many ideas are split between and even within all the political parties. Often we find ourselves agreeing on one platform but some topics break our mold. We are here to discuss them in a civil political debate. If this is your first visit to our political forums, be sure to check out the RULES. Registering for debate politics is necessary before posting. Register today to participate - it's free!

U.S. Nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients.....

MMC

Banned
DP Veteran
Joined
Feb 26, 2012
Messages
56,981
Reaction score
27,029
Location
Chicago Illinois
Gender
Male
Political Leaning
Private
Naturally the CDC and the Fed doesn't want to start a wide spread panic......but then I wonder if they had thought about the MS media. What do you think about this info and what Nurses are saying? I think they are on the money and people cannot take this matter lightly. What say ye?


CHICAGO (Reuters) - Nurses, the frontline care providers in U.S. hospitals, say they are untrained and unprepared to handle patients arriving in their hospital emergency departments infected with Ebola. Many say they have gone to hospital managers, seeking training on how to best care for patients and protect themselves and their families from contracting the deadly disease, which has so far killed at least 3,338 people in the deadliest outbreak on record. The U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention has repeatedly said that U.S. hospitals are prepared to handle such patients. Many infectious disease experts agree with that assessment.

"The Texas case is a perfect example," said Micker Samios, a triage nurse in the emergency department at Medstar Washington Hospital Center, the largest hospital in the nation's capital. "In addition to not being prepared, there was a flaw in diagnostics as well as communication," Samios said. Nurses argue that inadequate preparation could increase the chances of spreading Ebola if hospital staff fail to recognize a patient coming through their doors, or if personnel are not informed about how to properly protect themselves. "When an Ebola patient is admitted or goes to the intensive care unit, those nurses, those tech service associates are not trained," she said. "The X-ray tech who comes into the room to do the portable chest X-ray is not trained. The transporter who pushes the stretcher is not trained." If an Ebola patient becomes sick while being transported, "How do you clean the elevator?" A survey by National Nurses United of some 400 nurses in more than 200 hospitals in 25 states found that more than half (60 percent) said their hospital is not prepared to handle patients with Ebola, and more than 80 percent said their hospital has not communicated to them any policy regarding potential admission of patients infected by Ebola. Another 30 percent said their hospital has insufficient supplies of eye protection and fluid-resistant gowns.....snip~

U.S. nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients
 
Re: U.S. nurses say they are unprepared to handle Ebola patients.....

I'm taking it pretty lightly.
 
I'm taking it pretty lightly.


You should be.

To critique the irresponsible policy of allowing unfettered travel out of West Africa to the heart lands would require you to bad mouth Obama.

And the Government. Hell, did you hear Matt lauers interview with the head of the CDC ?

Jesus H !

I wonder what those 3000 service Men are thinking right about now ? They're headed to ground zero by a incompetent administration.
 
You should be.

To critique the irresponsible policy of allowing unfettered travel out of West Africa to the heart lands would require you to bad mouth Obama.

And the Government. Hell, did you hear Matt lauers interview with the head of the CDC ?

Jesus H !

I wonder what those 3000 service Men are thinking right about now ? They're headed to ground zero by a incompetent administration.



Heya Fenton. :2wave: That's been up to 4k troops now. Admiral Kirby says they'll naturally will be assessing at all times.
 
You should be.

To critique the irresponsible policy of allowing unfettered travel out of West Africa to the heart lands would require you to bad mouth Obama.

And the Government. Hell, did you hear Matt lauers interview with the head of the CDC ?

Jesus H !

I wonder what those 3000 service Men are thinking right about now ? They're headed to ground zero by a incompetent administration.

Not too worried. Their in quarantine. Not too worried.
 
I am betting the flu will kill lots more people in US than Ebola. Got your flu shot yet?
 
One would expect that since it's not a usual issue here.

Not something to panic about, they've got time.

Mass hysteria is lame.
 
This is serious as we have all ready witnessed the ball being dropped with the first case, even after they said we were prepared.

Every person involved with a possible Ebola patient should have training to protect themselves and the general public. If the nurses are worried, so should be the entire institution where they work and every person walking in.

Thanks for the article
 
Not too worried. Their in quarantine. Not too worried.

Really.....I will show you what WCH showed me.

Whats wrong with this picture.

JP-DALLAS-master675.jpg










In the latest indication, state and local authorities confirmed Thursday that a week after a Liberian man fell ill with Ebola in Dallas, and four days after he was placed in isolation at a hospital here, the apartment where he was staying with four other people had not been sanitized and the sheets and dirty towels he used while sick remained in the home. County officials visited the apartment without protection Wednesday night.

They said Wednesday that they believed 12 to 18 people had direct contact. On Thursday morning, a spokeswoman for Dallas County Health and Human Services said it was thought that 80 people had contact directly with Mr. Duncan or secondarily with his direct contacts. Then in an afternoon news conference, Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, the director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, said that health workers were assessing 100 people — including hospital workers and emergency medical technicians — to determine whether they had been exposed. That number does not include secondary contacts, a spokesman for the agency said......snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/us/dallas-ebola-case-thomas-duncan-contacts.html?_r=0
 
One would expect that since it's not a usual issue here.

Not something to panic about, they've got time.

Mass hysteria is lame.

No one is talking about mass hysteria, people are talking about being prepared for the worst and hope it never happens.
 
Not too worried. Their in quarantine. Not too worried.



Yes, Ebola patients in " quarantine " is the new normal in Obamas America.

Given the fact that the CDC has been utterly INCOMPETENT so far in dealing with this threat, I'm overwhelmed with confidence when I hear a Government official tell me " things are under control ".

It took the CDC 5 DAYS to clean and secure that apartment in Dallas.

When Matt Lauer asked the head if the CDC what took so long, he answered that " bleach was used "...

Wow. The daughter of the women that lived there brought over Bleach NOT the CDC

What's the deal ? Why can't Obama pick competent people to run his agencies?
 
Too bad the conservatives in Congress cut the CDC's budget. Maybe those extra hundred of millions could be used for equipment and training.

But what's more important, public safety or showing some guy in a trailer that you're a budget hawk?

Meanwhile, the fact that the US doesn't have universal health care coverage, but rather a system to discourage sick people from going to the doctor, is likely to come back an haunt us on this one. Europe isn't freaking out over this. We are. And for good reason. We have set up a system that encourage communicable diseases to spread, all due to conservative ideology about "free markets" versus socialism.
 
If it is only spread via contact with bodily fluids, and assuming that it is not an airborne contagion, then nurses should be adequately prepared to deal with ebola. Universal precautions should manage the spread adequately, assuming that medical personnel actually abide by them. My question would concern whether or not we're getting accurate information regarding transmission.
 
Too bad the conservatives in Congress cut the CDC's budget. Maybe those extra hundred of millions could be used for equipment and training.

.

We get adequate training yearly, and on a continuous basis, due to the nature of our jobs. Sorry, but your blame game has no basis in reality or the truth.
 
I am betting the flu will kill lots more people in US than Ebola. Got your flu shot yet?

I'm betting that these nurses see doctors in Africa [with the whole hazmat uniform] dying right and left and they want nothing to do with Ebola patients.

Sounds pretty rational if you ask me.
 
Dear Nurses:

Same way you handle another infectious disease. ****, you deal with influenza daily, and that spreads way easier.
 
Not a problem........just keep bringing in those daily flights from West Africa Mr. President..........and keep letting those disease ridden children into the country to infect our children.......America, the new definition of insanity.
 
If it is only spread via contact with bodily fluids, and assuming that it is not an airborne contagion, then nurses should be adequately prepared to deal with ebola. Universal precautions should manage the spread adequately, assuming that medical personnel actually abide by them. My question would concern whether or not we're getting accurate information regarding transmission.


Here is some more info WCH showed me Liz......note they didn't mention secondary contacts the first few reports out. I wonder how this Doctor.....can't see people sneezing coughing, slobbering all in a subway, or on a bus, train, or plane.


It could happen again, said Dr. Thomas R. Frieden, director of the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, in a telephone news briefing on Thursday. He said there was no way to detect the disease during the incubation period — the interval before symptoms set in — so other infected people could pass fever checks at airports in West Africa, just as Mr. Duncan did, and board planes to the United States.

But Dr. Frieden emphasized that the odds of contracting Ebola in the United States were still extremely low. The disease is not contagious during the incubation period, and patients do not transmit it until they develop symptoms, he said. And those with symptoms will probably feel sick enough to stay home. People are highly unlikely to catch the disease on the bus or subway, Dr. Frieden said. The incubation period can run from two to 21 days, but is usually eight to 10. The first symptoms are typically fever, aches and pains, nausea, vomiting and diarrhea. Even after they set in, it takes direct contact with bodily fluids to transmit Ebola. Blood, vomit, urine and diarrhea from very sick patients are highly infectious, but other body fluids like sweat, saliva, tears, semen and breast milk are also risky. Direct contact means that the fluids splash or spray into someone else’s mouth, eyes or nose, or enter the bloodstream through cuts or breaks in the skin.

According to the C.D.C., the virus can survive for a few hours on dry surfaces like doorknobs and countertops. But it can survive for several days in puddles or other collections of body fluid at room temperature. It is not clear how long it may survive in soiled linens and clothing. Bleach solutions can kill it.....snip~

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/03/u...on=Footer&module=MoreInSection&pgtype=article
 
Heya Fenton. :2wave: That's been up to 4k troops now. Admiral Kirby says they'll naturally will be assessing at all times.
'Boots on the ground' in West Africa to fight a disease? The world has become a very strange place.
 
'Boots on the ground' in West Africa to fight a disease? The world has become a very strange place.

Those boots are not infantry. They're engineers (to build field hospitals), doctors, nurses and epidemiologists. Those are military people doing what they signed up to do.
 
Not too worried. Their in quarantine. Not too worried.

Lessee, yesterday morning it was 18 persons they were worried about having contact with the patient. Then later in the day it 80, and by the time I went home. It was 100.
That is how it starts.
 
Those boots are not infantry. They're engineers (to build field hospitals), doctors, nurses and epidemiologists. Those are military people doing what they signed up to do.

And if they contract ebola? Is that what they signed up for?
 
You should be.

To critique the irresponsible policy of allowing unfettered travel out of West Africa to the heart lands would require you to bad mouth Obama.

And the Government. Hell, did you hear Matt lauers interview with the head of the CDC ?

Jesus H !

I wonder what those 3000 service Men are thinking right about now ? They're headed to ground zero by a incompetent administration.


Never miss a chance to discredit the president do you? I'll sat this, at least you're consistent.
 
Back
Top Bottom