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Eighty People in Dallas Area Being Monitored for Ebola

pre-flight makes more sense, because otherwise, there would have to be quarantines at every stop on connecting flights.

unfortunately, it's likely that this won't be done unless the problem becomes a multi-continent epidemic. we should do it now.
Pre-flight quarantines are impractical for 21 days.
No way it can be done or people will answer honestly.
This particular victim (they say) knew he was exposed before he left, carrying a pregnant victim.
If you were sick or suspected you were, in Liberia, you might do the same.
Your chances here are definitely much better.

We need an international effort in West Africa and I think the USA and EU should Ban all flights from Sierra Leone and Liberia.
There's NOT enough urgent travel business of any kind from those countries compared to the risk of spreading the virus.

That said, I think this is going to be very limited as contagion is not easy. Not like ie, SARS.

This has been another Comedy of errors after the Secret Service.
The Hospital Blew it Big Time.
The CDC finally is getting some help to this man's care-giving woman, ONLY after hearing of her plight on CNN this AM. She didn't know what to do with all the sheets, towels, etc.
Now they're sending a Med disposal team.
 
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Pre-flight quarantines are impractical for 21 days.
No way it can be done or people will answer honestly.

so you quarantine them in a monitored facility. sure, it will be extremely inconvenient, but so is a pandemic.

This particular victim (they say) knew he was exposed before he left, carrying a pregnant victim.
If you were sick or suspected you were, in Liberia, you might do the same.
Your chances here are definitely much better.

We need an international effort in West Africa and I think the USA and EU should ban all flights from Sierra Leone and Liberia.
There's not enough urgent travel business of any kind from those countries compared to the risk of spreading the virus.

that's the other option.

That said I think this is going t be very limited as contagion is not east. Not like ie, SARS.

This has been another Comedy of errors after the Secret Service.
The Hospital Blew it Big Time.
The CDC finally is getting some help to this man's care-giving woman, ONLY after hearing of her plight on CNN. She didn't know what to do with all the sheets, towels, etc.
Now there sending a Med disposal team.

yeah, this kind of stuff should be taken more seriously.
 
so you quarantine them in a monitored facility. sure, it will be extremely inconvenient, but so is a pandemic.
Three weeks for who?
Everyone stays in a hotel for 3 weeks before they leave or just the ones who [admit] they had contact?
Ridiculous.

Helix said:
that's the other option.
Banning flights to the USA/EU is easily the most sensible option compared to quarantine.
There's NO urgent biz or economically significant tourism compared to the Risk.


Helix said:
yeah, this kind of stuff should be taken more seriously.
Keystone Kops Secret Service, Dallas Hospital, and CDC.
 
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Three weeks for who?
Everyone stays in a hotel for 3 weeks before they leave or just the ones who [admit] they had contact?
Ridiculous.

Banning flights to the USA/EU is easily the most sensible option compared to quarantine.
There's NO urgent biz or economically significant tourism compared to the Risk.


Keystone Kops Secret Service, Dallas Hospital, and CDC.

i'd like to see a way for some of the aid workers to get home. we need medical professionals to go there to improve the treatment of the patients, and to bring in gear. if you tell them they are stuck there indefinitely, many might choose not to go. there could be a restriction on the number of flights and who is on them, and all should be quarantined, though.

the CDC is generally pretty good, but should be doing more.
 
I was in a briefing concerning the Dallas patient and the risks this virus poses to the general public, and you're right. Because the on-set of Ebola mimics flu-like symptoms it's very easy for people to brush it off as if they just have a common cold or flu. It's not until the symptoms get worse - severe headache, fever, vomiting, diarrhea and especially the bleeding - do people begin to take notice (code for PANIC!). The good news is you'll know you've contracted the virus within 4-11 days. The bad news is at least half the people who develop symptoms will likely die.

The only way to beat this virus is to quarantine everyone whose been exposed for at least 21 days and to decontaminate or burn (as necessary) everything they've touched. We may have a very good public health system, but this is a germ you don't want to get out into the general population.
Well stated.

Again, a word to the wise.
 
I don't know if we've failed just yet. People who health officials believe may have been exposed have been told to stay indoors. It's hard to put a cop at everyone's front door, but if folks start flooding hospitals from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area I'd definitely consider putting the entire city on lockdown if I were the mayor/Governor.

Heh, telling them to stay indoors means absolutely nothing and is not a substitute for quarantine.
 
Playing Plague. Inc, named my virus Ebola, and started in Africa.

I think I might be a terrible person for enjoying this so much. :D
 
Agreed, but we have already failed that standard and there is no will as yet to live up to it. Not to mention, the virus going airborne is not the only mutation danger. It could jump species (again). Imagine if it were to jump bovine.
Your concern about us being too slow to act appropriately is valid, and the reason for our delay to enact appropriate quarantines is likely a combination of feeling "bullet-proof" in a country with our CDC and concern that the media will play everything up to the degree it will spook the economy. Both these reasons are foolish ones upon which to base delaying implementing a multi-million people life-saving measure.

As to the virus jumping species, yes, indeed a valid concern, especially if it jumps to our food supply.

Now is the time to employ very liberal quarantines and associated measures, before even America's "greatest" economists themselves start calling for those measures.
 
I'm thinking of the consequences of a nationwide epidemic that could kill tens of thousands of Americans.
It's important to remember that once a person begins showing symptoms, it feels like a cold .. the next day, it feels like the flu .. the third day and the fourth day it feels like a really, really bad flu and only then do half the people so suffering seek medical help, the other half (if they can afford it) sought help on the first or second day.

But, on that first day, they were contagious. And, a study linked to in another recent thread at this forum states that the virus stays on materials the person touches for about six days or so, materials like TV remotes, bathroom towels, school lockers, tissue boxes .. door knobs. Everyone touches their face more than 1000 times/day, the face, where viral entry points of the mouth, nose, and eyes reside.

An Ebola virus epidemic in America won't kill tens of thousands -- it will be more like tens of millions!

It's time to act now with liberal quarantines and associated measures .. to stop a pending epidemic.
 
If they have identified all of the primary contacts and secondary contacts, isolated and are monitoring them.
we will get some idea how contagious this really is.
I think I read that 12 to 14 people were primary contacts, when he was contagious.
If all of then come down with Ebola, we have a problem.
If say 2 out of the 14 get the virus, it will still be a concern.
If none of the primary contacts get sick, this could die out quick.
 
Mornin' DA .

Also this morning they are saying Hawaii may have another potential case.

Oh sh**!
I'm heading to Hawaii for 10 days starting tomorrow.
Hopefully, my pina colada diet will keep the virus at bay.
 
I don't know if we've failed just yet. People who health officials believe may have been exposed have been told to stay indoors. It's hard to put a cop at everyone's front door, but if folks start flooding hospitals from the Dallas/Ft. Worth area I'd definitely consider putting the entire city on lockdown if I were the mayor/Governor.
The die is already cast for Dallas/Ft. Worth.

Anyone feeling sick will now understandably want to seek medical attention and get screened for Ebola.

And all of this right in the middle of kids returning to school and spreading germs everywhere.

But, if just one person with the disease walks into a facility, that person will touch the front door (if the doors aren't automatic), the front desk top, the pen to sign in, the waiting room chair, the restroom facilities ...

... And thereby spread the disease to those who didn't have it but were weakened by the common cold or flu they did have.

Lock down Dallas/Ft Worth now!

And, communicate via the media procedures each person can follow to avoid spreading the disease, such as washing hands, wearing gloves when out and about, focusing on not touching their face, wearing a mask, etc., etc., etc.
 
It is not "paranoia" to be rightly concerned about the imminent spread of Ebola in the United States.

As the realities I presented here attest -- http://www.debatepolitics.com/health-care/204375-causes-virus-like-ebola-become-airborne-right-host.html -- America is the precise melting-pot the virus needs to find the right host to mutate to airborne spread.

But even without that pending mutation, studies in other links on the topic in this forum reveal that Ebola can remain on materials touched by a symptomatic patient for more than six days .. materials such as chairs, stair railings, kitchen cupboards, bathroom fixtures .. and classroom desks. Considering people touch their face over a thousand times a day -- which includes the entry points of mouth, nose, eyes -- the spread of Ebola even prior to it mutating to airborne is a piece of cake.

Because it comes on looking like the flu, parents and others caring for an Ebola sufferer will be exposed .. and many will still go to work when they experience "flu" symptoms, because they can't afford to take a day off, what with the post-Great Recession under-paid reaction still harming millions of Americans.

Sadly, there are many people .. and D.P. posters .. who are ideologically paranoid that this or that favorite politician or party will take the hit for the inevitable outbreak in the U.S., and they're downplaying the whole thing as their political paradigm deems appropriate, much like the Global Warming "debate" .. and likewise to the great detriment of Americans.

Yes, add all these factors together, and we are ripe for a major, major health disaster here.

The time has come to be safe, not sorry.

Tell all your elected and appointed officials to act strongly, with very liberal quarantines, and act now, before Ebola's spread and the associated panic sets in that will cripple America's and the world's economies. Downplaying both the health and economic potential of this deadly to-those-of-all-ages disease is simply stupid, and those who do so for political-allegiance reasons are behaving most egregiously.

A word to the wise.

Tick tock, people.

Look at this guy thinking he knows the probability of a virus mutating in a way that makes it airborne.

Do you study viral mutations for a living?
 
Oh sh**!
I'm heading to Hawaii for 10 days starting tomorrow.
Hopefully, my pina colada diet will keep the virus at bay.


Yeah, and lets hope no volcano pops off while some Hurricane rolls in why you are there.
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We sure wouldn't want to see that happen.....huh?
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Yeah, and lets hope no volcano pops off while some Hurricane rolls in why you are there.
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We sure wouldn't want to see that happen.....huh?
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I think we're safe from hurricanes, but those volcanoes are notoriously unpredictable.
I'm staying in Kauai--no active volcanoes.
I like my survival chances.
 
I think we're safe from hurricanes, but those volcanoes are notoriously unpredictable.
I'm staying in Kauai--no active volcanoes.
I like my survival chances.

I heard Charo has a restaurant down there in Kauai.....she use to be hottie back in the day. Don't know if it is still there. But it was a great place. Hope ya have a great time.

Oh, and don't forget to take a Bio-Hazard Suit with ya when ya return......the Air Port Terminal may be under Quarantine. :2razz:

 
Anybody ever play that game called "Pandemic" where you get to create a disease and then modify it while you try to infect and kill the whole world before they find a cure? One of the first things that happens after the disease is discovered is that countries shut down air travel and shipping ports. Greenland and Madagascar usually survive. Who needs bombs? Infect a few willing martyrs and walk them across the open southern border. Easy peazy. I recommend avoiding the salad bar if you live in a border state.
 
I heard Charo has a restaurant down there in Kauai.....she use to be hottie back in the day. Don't know if it is still there. But it was a great place. Hope ya have a great time.
Thanks.
Is Charo the young babe who was married to the old fart bandleader.
I'm fairly certain Charo would be the old fart now.
I'll google her possible great restaurant.

Oh, and don't forget to take a Bio-Hazard Suit with ya when ya return......the Air Port Terminal may be under Quarantine. :2razz:
Well, it IS Hawaii.....
I'd rather be quarantined in Hawaii than Liberia.
 
Thanks.
Is Charo the young babe who was married to the old fart bandleader.
I'm fairly certain Charo would be the old fart now.
I'll google her possible great restaurant.


Well, it IS Hawaii.....
I'd rather be quarantined in Hawaii than Liberia.


She use to look like this.


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Charo - Bing Images
 
She use to look like this.


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I actually met Charo and Xavier Cugat once when I was a kid. They drove up to this restaurant in a beige Rolls and rolled right out of it like they belonged wherever they were. And I suppose they did. If you're into showmanship, they had it in spades. I was 14, and she was HOT. Xavier was an old man even back then, but he still had the flair the big band image required.
 
Good looking back in the day.
Recent pictures not so....umm....appealing?....
Kinda has that Dyan Cannon look....clinging to her lost babehood maybe.

Yeah, and I think she had plastic surgery on her face.....she has to be like close to 70 or 75 now. So no.....not so great looking now.
 
Yeah, and I think she had plastic surgery on her face.....she has to be like close to 70 or 75 now. So no.....not so great looking now.

Charo is only 63....allegedly.
Sometimes plastic surgery just makes people look weird.
Charo's restaurant is gone too.
She probably had to hock it to pay the plastic surgeons.
Aloha, MMC....I'll keep you posted on the emerging Ebola crisis in Hawaii.:2wave:
 
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