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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

year2late said:
I agree. He left. Much bigger deal. If he was in fear for his life, he would have reported to the police.

What does his being white have to do with his conviction?

He shot into a car with 10 rounds. He fled the scene. Wouldn't that be wrong for a black guy to do? Wouldn't he be crucified?

Your "white guy to crucify" sounds like he didn't deserve to be prosecuted. Is that what you are saying?
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Not at all. Either one should have been on trial. The "white guy" comment was just my way of saying what is prevalent in today's media formula. Kind of like when that girl was missing in Aruba, people were saying that the only reason she got coverage was because she was white.
 
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j-mac said:
Not at all. Either one should have been on trial. The "white guy" comment was just my way of saying what is prevalent in today's media formula. Kind of like when that girl was missing in Aruba, people were saying that the only reason she got coverage was because she was white.
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The only reason this got coverage was because the kid was black? Shooting up a car that is filled with kids isn't enough???

Idle curiosity, if he has been forthright from the beginning - either stayed on scene or fed to the nearest police officer or station....do you think this would have garnered as much attention? If he did the "right thing" (after the wrong thing) this would have been a blip on the news - certainly not the circus it became.
 
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j-mac said:
Possibly, but the greater thing for me, is that he left. Had he waited for police, and been able to be evaluated, it might have turned out better for him...Anyway, trial done...Now we can find the next white guy to crucify.
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Yep...Good judgement comes from experience, and a lot of that comes from bad judgement.
 
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j-mac said:
Not at all. Either one should have been on trial.
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What did the dead guy do that he could have been charged with?
 
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Excon said:
iLOL
Apparently you are one who can not be reasoned with.
When you make false claims of racism and don't understand that is what you have done. Something is wrong with the reasoning you are using.
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Wrong. The claim was not false ...Dunn was an obvious racist and no doubt still is.
 
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Excon said:
Trix is for kids. (Just an FYI.)
Why do you keep asking what is already known and irrelevant?
As many times as I have participated in discussions of the evidence of this case, prior to, during, and after his last trial, you would think you would understand that I know.


And in reply to it; Big deal. He didn't get to carry through with what he intended to do. :shrug:
Your question, and by virtue of it, any point you are trying to make is irrelevant, as it changes nothing.
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What Dunn "intended to do" that night was to murder ALL the kids in that Durango with the loud music.
 
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Excon said:
Clearly you do not know what the term racist means. And your confirmation
There is nothing racist in there.
You are seeing what you want to see, not what is there.

Nothing there suggest that he thinks his race is superior to that of others races. Nothing.

He speaks to the fact that the jail is full of blacks (Do you doubt that it was?), and goes on to speak to their actions as being thugs. Do you really doubt that those in a jail (a known criminal element of society) aren't acting like thugs? That is not speaking to all blacks, is it? Of course it isn't.
He speaks to such as idiots and killing them when they threaten you. That is not speaking to all blacks, is it? Of course it isn't, as it speaks specifically to the idiots who threaten you.

Not once did he indicate that his race was better.
I am sure that like him, you also have no use for such black criminal thugs, which is not racism, but a prejudice against some folks for the way they act.
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Oh so a lunatic who thinks every black person that talks back should be killed isnt a racist? Thats news to me. Funny how he didnt even say anything about whites being thugs but merely blacks and he should get to kill them all...

Are you Dunn's brother or something? Because I cant believe you are defending this murderer. Oh wait, you also indicated that all jails are full of blacks too- I guess you think no white, hispanic or asian guy ever goes to jail right?
 
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csbrown28 said:
Excon just enjoys being a sphincter orifice (I'll let you decipher). The really scary part is that he might actually believe the tripe he posts here. Now that would really be scary.
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He has defended EVERY murderer where a white guy murdered a black un-armrd teen that has come along.
In future cases we can be sure what side he will take even before the crimes are committed.
His record of taking the side of racist murderers of un-armed teens is perfect.
He found nothing racist in Dunn's letters from jail.
It's not hard to determine why.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
Wrong. The claim was not false ...Dunn was an obvious racist and no doubt still is.
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Yup, by his own words.
 
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Lursa said:
What did the dead guy do that he could have been charged with?
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Maybe you misunderstood...The question to me was someone trying to say that I believed that only blacks should be prosecuted for a crime like this, and I was just saying given the same circumstance in the inverse, that the color of ones skin makes no difference in relation to the crime.
 
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j-mac said:
Maybe you misunderstood...The question to me was someone trying to say that I believed that only blacks should be prosecuted for a crime like this, and I was just saying given the same circumstance in the inverse, that the color of ones skin makes no difference in relation to the crime.
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So if a black guy shot into a car with four white kids killing one, then running two hours away an never reporting to the cops ...excon would be defending him after his 1st degree murder conviction?
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

j-mac said:
Maybe you misunderstood...The question to me was someone trying to say that I believed that only blacks should be prosecuted for a crime like this, and I was just saying given the same circumstance in the inverse, that the color of ones skin makes no difference in relation to the crime.
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Apologies if it was taken out of context. I was relating to the Dunn incident. Sorry.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
So if a black guy shot into a car with four white kids killing one, then running two hours away an never reporting to the cops ...excon would be defending him after his 1st degree murder conviction?
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Why should what I said refer to Excon? You make 0 sense.
 
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Lursa said:
Apologies if it was taken out of context. I was relating to the Dunn incident. Sorry.
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No worries...
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Buck Ewer said:
He has defended EVERY murderer where a white guy murdered a black un-armrd teen that has come along.
In future cases we can be sure what side he will take even before the crimes are committed.
His record of taking the side of racist murderers of un-armed teens is perfect.
He found nothing racist in Dunn's letters from jail.
It's not hard to determine why.
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I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong or simply misguided
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Buck Ewer said:
So if a black guy shot into a car with four white kids killing one, then running two hours away an never reporting to the cops ...excon would be defending him after his 1st degree murder conviction?
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Ok, you owe me an Anchor Steam Beer. And a keyboard.:lamo
 
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Fenton said:
He can file an appeal.

How was what he did " premeditated " ?
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I think he followed them to shoot them, after they took off in their car.
 
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Fenton said:
He can file an appeal.

How was what he did " premeditated " ?
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He had enough time to reach into his glove compartment and shoot 9 to 10 shots into the other vehicle.
 
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Black Dog said:
He had enough time to reach into his glove compartment and shoot 9 to 10 shots into the other vehicle.
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Actually, I was surprised that premeditation could be a matter of minutes or seconds.
 
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year2late said:
Actually, I was surprised that premeditation could be a matter of minutes or seconds.
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All it takes is a few seconds to realize that what you are doing is wrong. I mean, that's not legal, or a technical term. :lol: The way I think it works is if you have time to talk yourself out of it, and you still go through with it, its premeditated. Again, though - I don't know. That's just how I always thought it to be.
 
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Superfly said:
All it takes is a few seconds to realize that what you are doing is wrong. I mean, that's not legal, or a technical term. :lol: The way I think it works is if you have time to talk yourself out of it, and you still go through with it, its premeditated. Again, though - I don't know. That's just how I always thought it to be.
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Premeditation means you planned the murder out in your mind. As in PRE meditated. That is far different than a quick unthought out reaction to a specific situation.
 
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lifeisshort said:
Premeditation means you planned the murder out in your mind. As in PRE meditated. That is far different than a quick unthought out reaction to a specific situation.
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Thank you, your honor. Next time I need legal advice, I'll be sure to seek you out.
Deliberation and Premeditation: Whether a killer acted with the deliberation and premeditation required for first degree murder can only be determined on a case by case basis. The need for deliberation and premeditation does not mean that the perpetrator must contemplate at length or plan far ahead of the murder. Time enough to form the conscious intent to kill and then act on it after enough time for a reasonable person to second guess the decision typically suffices. While this can happen very quickly, deliberation and premeditation must occur before, and not at the same time as, the act of killing.
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First Degree Murder Overview - FindLaw
 
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