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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

And?
And?
Why are you not paying attention to the evidence?
Davis's friends drove away, got out of the vehicle and could have gotten rid of it when they did.
The Driver at that point in time called his aunt who came into in the immediate area with his cousin.

And the police did not search that area until several days later?
That leaves the possibility that there was a gun. Do you really not understand that? Duh!

And you seem not to have understood the previous comments about the tripod either.

Two juries paid attention to the evidence - more completely than you and I.

Tripod.:lamo
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

If? No evidence to support that at all, none.
My Gawd. Not only do you not know the evidnce you don't even know how the Law works.
And again. That is not how it works.
He does not need evidence to support what is stated. It needs to be disproved. That is how it works. And there is no evidence that disproves his account. Do you really not understand that?


The testimony obviously did not support your theory. I am using his murder 1 conviction by a jury of 10 whites and 2 blacks as proof of that failed story he told.
Then you fail at arguing the evidence. And you fail because you are assuming, as you do not know why they found the way they did.
For all you know the Prosecutor got the Jury stacked with those who just don't like the use of guns.


Actually like the rest of your nonsense, it is irrelevant. Much like his life no parole plus sixty years conviction will not bring back his innocent victim.
You are the only one speaking nonsense. ANd Davis wasn't a victim but a a person who got himself killed over his own actions.


10 shots into the car, and he then gets in his car and drives away. Sorry that is again more nonsense.
Just more absurdity from you.
No it isn't nonsense.
What he stated makes very good sense.


Yes it does.
Wrong.
"Thug" is not racist code for nigger.
If you think so, your thoughts are convoluted.
Which really just shows this was all about race for you and not the evidence.





Tripods have rubber feet and look nothing at all like a shotgun
Look at you being wrong and dishonest again.
A tripod leg with its "end cap" or "foot" removed can certainly looks like the barrel of a shot gun.
So what other bs do you want to spew?


It is not nonsense and every contextual use re-enforces the modern meaning.
You make that abundantly apparent.
Your nonsense is nonsense.
What you said is not credible.
"Thug" is not racist code for nigger.
Which really just shows this was all about race for you and not the evidence. Which you previously made abundantly clear.





Dude. Reality check. TWO juries convicted Dunn. The second found for FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

Give it up. Sometimes white guys use guns and say it is self defense. Sometimes white guys with guns lie.
Reality check. Your arguments are wrong for the reasons already stated.
So again, since you do not pay attention.
We are not talking about what the decision of the Jury, we all know what it was, just as we all know Juries make mistakes.
We are talking about the evidence. At there is no credible evidence that says his account is false.

And some members of the first Jury don't disagree with me as to the charge against Davis, which is specifically what we are talking about. Which in all reality, made their finding on the other charges incorrect and overturnable.


He was a man that had shot his gun many times into a carload of people.
See. This is what you get for not paying attention.
He was a man who was firing at a threat.
Had it been found that he had acted in self defense, those previous findings of guilt could not have stood.


If he was in fear for his life he would have hightailed it to a police station or used his cell to call 911.Or at the least called 911 once he got to the hotel.
Bs! People act differently. There is no set way a person must act. Nor was there any requirement. Period. Especially after a traumatic experience that he had just gone through. And especially with having to deal with the emotional basket case of his GF.
So you truly have no point here, and really do not know of what you speak.


I really am almost believing you are a plant by the gun control side to make the anti-gun control activists look unreasonable. :shock:
Good for you?
It just shows that your thoughts are convoluted.


Two juries paid attention to the evidence - more completely than you and I.
You clearly do not know of what you speak.


Tripod.:lamo
What a shame.
Are you too going to be dishonest and say a leg of a tripod could not look like a barrel of a shot gun?
I hope you are not that dishonest.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

After the shooting ...Dunn and his girlfriend, Rhonda Rouer, drove 40 miles south to St. Augustine, where they had reservations at a bed and breakfast.
Once there, Guy said, Dunn ordered pizza, "took his little dog for a walk," ordered a movie and "poured a big, tall drink -- rum and Coke."
"They had cell phones, but they didn't call 911. He didn't drive to a police substation," Guy said. "That defendant put his head on his hotel pillow and went to sleep."
In the morning, Rouer saw a news report about a shooting at a Jacksonville gas station, in which a 17-year-old had been killed, and rather than call police, the couple packed their bags and drove 130 miles home to Satellite Beach, where Dunn was finally apprehended.
If the homeless guy, who took down Dunn's license plate number, hadn't been on the ball that evening, we would never know who did the shooting ... we would never know who murdered Jordan Davis.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

If the homeless guy, who took down Dunn's license plate number, hadn't been on the ball that evening, we would never know who did the shooting ... we would never know who murdered Jordan Davis.
Oh look. More dishonesty.
You have no idea if that is true or not.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Oh look. More dishonesty.
You have no idea if that is true or not.

How did the police track Dunn down?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

How did the police track Dunn down?
Do you or do you not understand that he does not know that to be true?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Wrong.
"Thug" is not racist code for nigger.
If you think so, your thoughts are convoluted.
Which really just shows this was all about race for you and not the evidence.
Your constant an unwavering use of the word thug to describe all black teens demonstrates that your defense of Dunn is all about racism.
You have a consistent and long history here at DP of defending white guys who murdered un-armed black teens... even here in the face of their 1st degree murder conviction you maintain that any white guy who killed any un-armed black teen should go free.
Your motivations become ever increasingly transparent with each white murderer you doggedly defend.

It is comical that you maintain Dunn's justification on the flimsiest, lame, what if, maybe, and could have done, defenses.
Everyone here is laughing at you.



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A tripod leg with its "end cap" or "foot" removed can certainly looks like the barrel of a shot gun.
So what other bs do you want to spew?

Nowhere in the description of evidence found in the victim's car was there any mention of the camera tripod's rubber foot being missing. That is another invention in a never ending pursuit to find the white murderer justified in his rage killing.
Dunn was not reported to have said you can't threaten me with a shotgun in the instant before he opened fire. Witnesses heard him say " You can't talk to me like that".
His motivation was obvious and so is your's.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

How did the police track Dunn down?

JACKSONVILLE, Fla. (AP) — A homeless man living in his truck helped police solve the fatal shooting of a black teenager by a white man during an argument over loud music outside a Jacksonville convenience store, according to testimony in the first-degree murder trial on Friday.

Shawn Lee Atkins testified that in November 2012 he witnessed a man shoot into a sport utility vehicle carrying four teens, killing Jordan Davis, 17, of Marietta, Georgia.

Atkins memorized the shooter's license plate and gave the tag number to store employees.
Dunn was on the run and exhibited no intention to report the shooting.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Do you or do you not understand that he does not know that to be true?

Huh?

I asked a simple question. How did the police track him down?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Dunn was on the run and exhibited no intention to report the shooting.

Who has a life threatening experience involving gun fire and doesn't report it.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Who has a life threatening experience involving gun fire and doesn't report it.
I realize that was a rhetorical question because the answer is so obvious.

...only a murderer trying to get away with it would run like that...
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I realize that was a rhetorical question because the answer is so obvious.

...a murderer trying to get away...

No, say it isn't so.

A person opening fire into a packed car and not reporting his actions to the police and then travelling to a town two hours away - SHOULD be the real definition of a thug.

Unfortunately for some, it just means black teens that enjoy loud music (go figure) and hate being told by grownups what to do (go figure).
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:doh
:doh
Duh!
:doh

All that Duh, and the killer bully is going to prison forever. Duh.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

WTF? For the purposes of this topic I already did.
What about his actions of threatening to kill Dunn, along with an intimated ability to do so, coupled with his getting out to carry through with the threat, do you not understand?


Which has nothing to do with why Dunn shot at him.



Lack of finding a gun (which they had ample opportunity to ditch when the drove away), doesn't mean there was no gun involved.
Especially as the cops didn't bother to look for several days after it was reported. Which is a very important point.Especially as the driver called his aunt who was in the area with his cousin.


In addition, as I keep pointing out, the tripod under the seat may have been what Davis used. Either to purposely intimate the threat of a gun, or to just emphasize the threat he made.
And if that is what he did, that makes Dunn's response just as reasonable had it been an actual gun.


And?
The possibility that a gun existed still exists and as such, there is no evidence to doubt it.

Unless there is some underlying mental health issue, which there is none in this case, people just don't go around shooting others for the hell of it.
Responding to an actual threat is the norm. Not the exception.
Dunn was responding and there is no evidence to counter that.


Funny how you think saying he is a killer matters one bit. :lamo
Especially as no credible evidence shows he wasn't acting in self defense.

Funny that you do not understand that all folks do not act the same way.
Fleeing from dangerous people is normal.

As for not in a timely manner? BS. You do not determine what is or isn't a timely manner. Nor do you get to hold him responsible for something he is not required to do.
He stated his concerns as to why he left and what he was thinking in regards to contacting the authorities and they are all valid.

All you are doing is making **** up to not accept his account, and that just doesn't fly. Nor is it evidence that his account isn't true.

All this is, is you making up reason not to believe his account
.

Ahem, the court made it all up, and framed a guy who was only crime was taking shooting in self defense because the loud music and insults were threatening his life? OK, then, there is no justice in the United States of America. Damn, shoot someone you don't like and you go to prison. That just sucks, doesn't it? And it's all Obama's fault too. LOL.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Ahem, the court made it all up, and framed a guy who was only crime was taking shooting in self defense because the loud music and insults were threatening his life? OK, then, there is no justice in the United States of America. Damn, shoot someone you don't like and you go to prison. That just sucks, doesn't it? And it's all Obama's fault too. LOL.

You forgot the tripod. Don't forget the tripod.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

The courts have spoken. He's in prison for life. I actually feel sorry for him. He'll never have Thanksgiving dinner with his family. He'll never celebrate Christmas unwrapping presents. No more romantic weekends with his would be wife. Just locked away with hardened criminals watching his back for reprisal attacks and hoping he doesn't get caught alone. No more vacations. Of course, I feel awful mostly for the kid he killed, his parents and other loved ones. I agree with Angela Corey, Stand Your Ground needs to be repealed...but that's another thread.

I dont feel sorry for him. His misuse of lethal force harms all the rest of us who need to keep watch over our right to own and carry firearms.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You forgot the tripod. Don't forget the tripod.

You know - my husband is a photographer, and has probably 10 tripods. Should I be concerned?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You know - my husband is a photographer, and has probably 10 tripods. Should I be concerned?

Not unless he is black and likes loud music!
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I dont feel sorry for him. His misuse of lethal force harms all the rest of us who need to keep watch over our right to own and carry firearms.

I wholeheartedly agree. Idiots like this do a lot of damage to gun rights.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Excon is really jumping through some serious logical hoops (and in some cases just completely making **** up) in order to justify this man's reckless, deadly, criminal behavior.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

My Gawd. Not only do you not know the evidnce you don't even know how the Law works.
And again. That is not how it works.

He does not need evidence to support what is stated. It needs to be disproved. That is how it works. And there is no evidence that disproves his account. Do you really not understand that?


Then you fail at arguing the evidence. And you fail because you are assuming, as you do not know why they found the way they did.
For all you know the Prosecutor got the Jury stacked with those who just don't like the use of guns.


You are the only one speaking nonsense. ANd Davis wasn't a victim but a a person who got himself killed over his own actions.


Just more absurdity from you.
No it isn't nonsense.
What he stated makes very good sense.

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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Judges run and control courtrooms.

And they're also corrupt, bias and at time egotistical and psychopaths...

The fact of the matter is that a judge can rule how he or she sees fit and the "jury" is nothing more than an illusion, considering judges sometimes and do override juries recommendations or blatantly ignore them..

Of course you have "the traditional tongue and cheek" saying that want the most partial/bias and stupid juries they can find.

Our judicial system is terrible,,
 
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Your constant an unwavering use of the word thug to describe all black teens demonstrates that your defense of Dunn is all about racism.
Thank you for demonstrating that you are the racist one. I do not, nor have I ever described all black teens as thugs.
So all you are doing is demonstrating your own racist thoughts as well as being dishonest.

You should realty get a grip on reality and stop telling lies like this.


You have a consistent and long history here at DP of defending white guys who murdered un-armed black teens... even here in the face of their 1st degree murder conviction you maintain that any white guy who killed any un-armed black teen should go free.
:naughty
Wrong.

I have a history of debating the evidence. Not taking a side because of race like you do.


Your motivations become ever increasingly transparent with each white murderer you doggedly defend.
You are speaking to your own convoluted thoughts.


It is comical that you maintain Dunn's justification on the flimsiest, lame, what if, maybe, and could have done, defenses.
Wrong again.


Everyone here is laughing at you.
You and your ilk may laughing. Which matters not one iota.
But you do not speak for everybody. :doh


Nowhere in the description of evidence found in the victim's car was there any mention of the camera tripod's rubber foot being missing.
Doesn't say it has one either. So stop assuming. A tripod leg can still appear to be a barrel of a shotgun.
With an endcap of foot.
Your failure to acknowledge that just shows you do not care about the evidence.


That is another invention in a never ending pursuit to find the white murderer justified in his rage killing.
Wow. Your thoughts are rally convoluted. It shows no such thing.


Dunn was not reported to have said you can't threaten me with a shotgun in the instant before he opened fire. Witnesses heard him say " You can't talk to me like that".
WTF? Two separate things, and just showing again that you do not know the actually evidence.


His motivation was obvious
Yes his motivation of self defense is obvious, except to racists.


and so is your's.
This is you making up convoluted bs to believe. None of which is true.





Huh?

I asked a simple question. How did the police track him down?
You responded to a comment stating that he did not know what he said to be true. Do you, or do you not, understand that he does not know what he said to be true?





All that Duh, and the killer bully is going to prison forever. Duh.
Showing you can not debate the evidence.
Figures.





Ahem, the court made it all up, and framed a guy who was only crime was taking shooting in self defense because the loud music and insults were threatening his life? OK, then, there is no justice in the United States of America. Damn, shoot someone you don't like and you go to prison. That just sucks, doesn't it? And it's all Obama's fault too. LOL.
And of course, we have another who can not debate the evidence and resorts to juvenile bs.





 
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Thank you for demonstrating that you are the racist one. I do not, nor have I ever described all black teens as thugs.
So all you are doing is demonstrating your own racist thoughts as well as being dishonest.

You should realty get a grip on reality and stop telling lies like this.


:naughty
Wrong.

I have a history of debating the evidence. Not taking a side because of race like you do.


You are speaking to your own convoluted thoughts.


Wrong again.


You and your ilk may laughing. Which matters not one iota.
But you do not speak for everybody. :doh


Doesn't say it has one either. So stop assuming. A tripod leg can still appear to be a barrel of a shotgun.
With an endcap of foot.
Your failure to acknowledge that just shows you do not care about the evidence.


Wow. Your thoughts are rally convoluted. It shows no such thing.


WTF? Two separate things, and just showing again that you do not know the actually evidence.


Yes his motivation of self defense is obvious, except to racists.


This is you making up convoluted bs to believe. None of which is true.





You responded to a comment stating that he did not know what he said to be true. Do you, or do you not, understand that he does not know what he said to be true?





Showing you can not debate the evidence.
Figures.





And of course, we have another who can not debate the evidence and resorts to juvenile bs.






Then stop tripping on whats behind you, that way you will not look as such.

The evidence IS in, and the courts ruled on that. YOU are the one who is being juvenile, and your comments in this thread have been overtly racist as well.
 
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