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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

year2late said:
Perhaps if he had reported the incident right away, they would have known to look for the pink elephant gun.
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That, sans your absurdly ridiculous "pink elephant" characterization, is the only valid thing you have said so far.

Had that been done and one not found, the defense could have then focused on the tripod.
 
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Excon said:
That, sans your absurdly ridiculous "pink elephant" characterization, is the only valid thing you have said so far.

Had that been done and one not found, the defense could have then focused on the tripod.
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And why do you think he failed to report the incident when it happened?
 
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year2late said:
And why do you think he failed to report the incident when it happened?
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:doh
What you ask is absurd, as it is going in circles.
So again.
Excon said:
Fleeing from dangerous people is normal.

As for not in a timely manner? BS. You do not determine what is or isn't a timely manner. Nor do you get to hold him responsible for something he is not required to do.
He stated his concerns as to why he left and what he was thinking in regards to contacting the authorities and they are all valid.
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By poweRob ~ Your claims are completely absurd. Stop being absurd.​
:naughty
It was your claims that were absurd, as were shown to be.
You didn't even know the evidence or understand what tangible meant. You absurdly thought it meant a person's testimony. :lamo D'oh! :doh

Yeah, your claims are what is absurd.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Quote Originally Posted by Excon View Post

Fleeing from dangerous people is normal.

As for not in a timely manner? BS. You do not determine what is or isn't a timely manner. Nor do you get to hold him responsible for something he is not required to do.
He stated his concerns as to why he left and what he was thinking in regards to contacting the authorities and they are all valid
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Fleeing is normal.

And yes, I can make a personal judgment as to what is a timely manner. I have to wonder how much the failure to report weighed on the minds of the jurors of both trials. I think any reasonable person would report to the police indiviuals (thugs) that were so dangerous that you discharged your weapon in their direction multiple times.

IF he truly thought there were dangerous individuals complete with shotgun and attitude that sufficiently threatened him....by NOT informing police immediately he endangered the entire community.

But, hell yes, I will make a personal judgment! And my guess is that most of the law abiding citizens in this country will agree with me.



But the reality is...there was no danger except from the guy who murdered the young man.
 
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year2late said:
And yes, I can make a personal judgment as to what is a timely manner.
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Of course you can, and doing so and holding it against him when he had no obligation, is absurd.


year2late said:
I have to wonder how much the failure to report weighed on the minds of the jurors of both trials.
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You keep saying failure which really isn't true. It is just you imparting more irrelevant meaning to suggest he is guilty.
He intended to do so, and was beaten to the punch by the person he was going to call, calling him.
He still voluntarily submitted and talked. Unwise of him to do, but he did do it.


year2late said:
I think any reasonable person would report to the police indiviuals (thugs) that were so dangerous that you discharged your weapon in their direction multiple times.
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You think? :doh
Reasonable people act in all kind of ways. Especially after traumatic experiences.
Either you understand that or you don't.


year2late said:
IF he truly thought there were dangerous individuals complete with shotgun and attitude that sufficiently threatened him....by NOT informing police immediately he endangered the entire community.
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Bs! That is nothing but you imparting more irrelevant biased bs, because you want him to be guilty and therefore want his actions to suggest guilt, when they really don't.


year2late said:
But, hell yes, I will make a personal judgment!
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And so will I. At least mine is grounded in reality and evidence. Not in made up bs to purposely to suggest guilty.


year2late said:
And my guess is that most of the law abiding citizens in this country will agree with me.
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You give yourself too much credit.
That fact of the matter is that people think he is guilty for various of reasons.
Much of it has to do with the racial makeup the individuals, not reality.
And those wanting him to be guilty would agree with whatever they think suggests he is.
The fact is that against the odds he was not found guilty the first time around. That means reasonable people can disagree as to what the evidence says.
The second time around the odds are even more against the accused.
That is the system, and it surely doesn't mean he did what he was found guilty of.


year2late said:
But the reality is...there was no danger except from the guy who murdered the young man.
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No, the reality is that he acted in self defense against a person who was acting as a dangerous thug.
No credible evidence exists to say he didn't.
 
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Excon said:
Of course you can, and doing so and holding it against him when he had no obligation, is absurd.


You keep saying failure which really isn't true. It is just you imparting more irrelevant meaning to suggest he is guilty.
He intended to do so, and was beaten to the punch by the person he was going to call, calling him.
He still voluntarily submitted and talked. Unwise of him to do, but he did do it.


You think? :doh
Reasonable people act in all kind of ways. Especially after traumatic experiences.
Either you understand that or you don't.


Bs! That is nothing but you imparting more irrelevant biased bs, because you want him to be guilty and therefore want his actions to suggest guilt, when they really don't.


And so will I. At least mine is grounded in reality and evidence. Not in made up bs to purposely to suggest guilty.


You give yourself too much credit.
That fact of the matter is that people think he is guilty for various of reasons.
Much of it has to do with the racial makeup the individuals, not reality.
And those wanting him to be guilty would agree with whatever they think suggests he is.
The fact is that against the odds he was not found guilty the first time around. That means reasonable people can disagree as to what the evidence says.
The second time around the odds are even more against the accused.
That is the system, and it surely doesn't mean he did what he was found guilty of.


No, the reality is that he acted in self defense against a person who was acting as a dangerous thug.
No credible evidence exists to say he didn't.
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Your "reality" does not match up with two jury's conclusions.

They found no self defense. They found a murderer.

In real life, most gun rights advocates I know of do not support his actions.

I am curious how most gun rights advocates view his actions.
 
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Excon said:
I see you hadn't bothered to read the thread.
Had you, you would have known his actions, by the evidence, are what made made him a thug.
A person who is making threats against your life, intimates he has the ability to carry through with that threat, and is then gets out of the vehicle to carry through with that threat, is a thug.
Sorry you don't realize that.
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:lamo

So in other words the story that the offender who has been convicted of not just murder... but first degree murder tells is absolutely true even though no evidence at all supports it?

:lamo

This town needs an enima! - The Joker
 
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Black Dog said:
So in other words the story that the offender who has been convicted of not just murder... but first degree murder tells is absolutely true even though no evidence at all supports it?
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There is no credible evidence that says his account isn't true.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

year2late said:
Your "reality" does not match up with two jury's conclusions.

They found no self defense. They found a murderer.
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Wrong.
We are not talking about what the decision of the Jury, we all know what it was, just as we all know Juries make mistakes.
We are talking about the evidence. At there is no credible evidence that says his account is false.

And some members of the first Jury don't disagree with me as to the charge against Davis, which is specifically what we are talking about. Which in all reality, made their finding on the other charges incorrect and overturnable.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Excon said:
Wrong.
We are not talking about what the decision of the Jury, we all know what it was, just as we all know Juries make mistakes.
We are talking about the evidence. At there is no credible evidence that says his account is false.

And some members of the first Jury don't disagree with me as to the charge against Davis, which is specifically what we are talking about. Which in all reality, made their finding on the other charges incorrect and overturnable.
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There is no evidence that Dunn's lies were the truth. There was no gun which means no evidence.

There is the evidence of a dead teen, bullet ridden car, his running before police came, and the eye witnesses of the other passengers. Even Dunn's fiance wouldn't lie for him.

Learn the evidence.
 
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Crosscheck said:
There is no evidence that Dunn's lies were the truth.
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:doh
That isn't how it works.
No credible evidence exists to show they were lies.


Crosscheck said:
There was no gun which means no evidence.
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And because of the evidence in toto, doesn't mean there wasn't a gun.
Which also doesn't mean that Davis didn't threaten him, intimate the ability to carry through with that threat and then proceed to get out of the vehicle to do so.
Learn the evidence.


Crosscheck said:
There is the evidence of a dead teen, bullet ridden car, his running before police came,
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:doh
None of that says his account isn't true. Duh!


Crosscheck said:
and the eye witnesses of the other passengers.
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I see you have already forgotten the lies they got caught telling. Figures.
That makes them not credible.


Crosscheck said:
Even Dunn's fiance wouldn't lie for him.
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:doh
There is that bs spin again.
She wasn't asked to lie.
And she can not testify to that which she doesn't remember.
And as we all saw during the first trial, she was not all there and emotionally unstable.
It is no wonder why she doesn't remember all that was discussed.


Crosscheck said:
Learn the evidence.
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That is something you clearly have shown not to know. So yes, do learn it.
 
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Excon said:
There is no credible evidence that says his account isn't true.
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Dunn got in a heated argument with Davis and three other teenagers in an SUV over the volume of the music they were playing, an argument that ended with Dunn firing 10 shots at their vehicle, according to prosecutors. Dunn claimed he fired only after one of the passengers flashed a gun, though police found no evidence to substantiate that claim. - Michael Dunn found guilty of murdering teen over loud music - The Week gun, nothing that even looked like a gun. No gun or anything that looked like a gun found in the path of the vehicles escape.

"you had a number of witnesses that really corroborated the state's theory that this was not self-defense," Sheaffer said. - Michael Dunn found guilty of murder in loud-music shooting trial - Orlando Sentinel

Hey I have some beautiful beachfront property in Siberia to sell you... cheap! :lamo
 
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Deuce said:
You said the shooter was innocent, thereby claiming the shooting was justified.

Because the victim was a "thug."

Which totally doesn't mean "black and ornery."
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The word "thug" is racist code for nigger.
That is well understood in modern parlance.
 
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Originally Posted by Excon
Fleeing from dangerous people is normal.
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Yes fleeing a murder scene is normal for murderer to do ...
...just ask OJ...
 
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Black Dog said:
Dunn got in a heated argument with Davis and three other teenagers in an SUV over the volume of the music they were playing, an argument that ended with Dunn firing 10 shots at their vehicle, according to prosecutors. Dunn claimed he fired only after one of the passengers flashed a gun, though police found no evidence to substantiate that claim. - Michael Dunn found guilty of murdering teen over loud music - The Week gun, nothing that even looked like a gun. No gun or anything that looked like a gun found in the path of the vehicles escape.

"you had a number of witnesses that really corroborated the state's theory that this was not self-defense," Sheaffer said. - Michael Dunn found guilty of murder in loud-music shooting trial - Orlando Sentinel
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And?
And?
Why are you not paying attention to the evidence?
Davis's friends drove away, got out of the vehicle and could have gotten rid of it when they did.
The Driver at that point in time called his aunt who came into in the immediate area with his cousin.

And the police did not search that area until several days later?
That leaves the possibility that there was a gun. Do you really not understand that? Duh!

And you seem not to have understood the previous comments about the tripod either.
 
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Buck Ewer said:
The word "thug" is racist code for nigger.
That is well understood in modern parlance.
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:doh
There goes that nonsense again. It means no such thing.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Buck Ewer said:
Yes fleeing a murder scene is normal for murderer to do ...
...just ask OJ...
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:doh
He wasn't a murder fleeing a murder scene.
He didn't even know the threat had been hit let alone had died.
He fled out of fear of threat.
 
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Excon said:
And?
And?
Why are you not paying attention to the evidence?
Davis's friends drove away, got out of the vehicle and could have gotten rid of it when they did.
The Driver at that point in time called his aunt who came into in the immediate area with his cousin.
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If? No evidence to support that at all, none.

Excon said:
And the police did not search that area until several days later?
That leaves the possibility that there was a gun. Do you really not understand that? Duh!
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The testimony obviously did not support your theory. I am using his murder 1 conviction by a jury of 10 whites and 2 blacks as proof of that failed story he told.

Excon said:
And you seem not to have understood the previous comments about the tripod either.
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Actually like the rest of your nonsense, it is irrelevant. Much like his life no parole plus sixty years conviction will not bring back his innocent victim.
 
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Imaginary invented shotguns do not a defense make.

Tripods have rubber feet and look nothing at all like a shotgun ...except in desperate cartoon imaginations.
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Excon said:
:doh
He wasn't a murder fleeing a murder scene.
He didn't even know the threat had been hit let alone had died.
He fled out of fear of threat.
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10 shots into the car, and he then gets in his car and drives away. Sorry that is again more nonsense.

Fortunately he is behind bars.... Until he is dead.
 
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Excon said:
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There goes that nonsense again. It means no such thing.
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Yes it does.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Excon said:
:doh
There goes that nonsense again. It means no such thing.
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It is not nonsense and every contextual use re-enforces the modern meaning.
You make that abundantly apparent.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Excon said:
:doh
He wasn't a murder fleeing a murder scene.
He didn't even know the threat had been hit let alone had died.
He fled out of fear of threat.
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He was so afraid that he forgot how to use his cellphone as he sat in his hotel room miles away eating pizza and drinking beer?
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You so funny...
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Excon said:
Wrong.
We are not talking about what the decision of the Jury, we all know what it was, just as we all know Juries make mistakes.
We are talking about the evidence. At there is no credible evidence that says his account is false.

And some members of the first Jury don't disagree with me as to the charge against Davis, which is specifically what we are talking about. Which in all reality, made their finding on the other charges incorrect and overturnable.
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Dude. Reality check. TWO juries convicted Dunn. The second found for FIRST DEGREE MURDER.

Give it up. Sometimes white guys use guns and say it is self defense. Sometimes white guys with guns lie.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Excon said:
:doh
He wasn't a murder fleeing a murder scene.
He didn't even know the threat had been hit let alone had died.
He fled out of fear of threat.
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He was a man that had shot his gun many times into a carload of people.

If he was in fear for his life he would have hightailed it to a police station or used his cell to call 911.Or at the least called 911 once he got to the hotel.

I really am almost believing you are a plant by the gun control side to make the anti-gun control activists look unreasonable. :shock:
 
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