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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

PS: "You're not going to talk to me that way" - Dunn

Does not sound like someone who is in fear of their life.

nope

we'll see how tough this nut case is in prison! lol
the next round black thing he THINKS he sees coming at him ain't gonna be a gun, but he'll probably wish it was!!! lol
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

If that were the case... He would not have been convicted by a jury of 12.
:doh
You keep going in circles with this Jury nonsense.
And as already pointed out several times, juries get things wrong all the time.
So stop speaking nonsense.


His testimony and actions have been refuted... In a court of law.
Actually they have not been refuted.
If you knew the evidence, you would know that.


The only thing that has not been refuted here is your blind devotion to a murderer.
More absurdity from you because you can not argue the actual evidence. :doh


PS: "You're not going to talk to me that way" - Dunn

Does not sound like someone who is in fear of their life.
:doh :lamo :lamo
Even though this has already been gone over you still get it wrong, showing that you again do not know the evidence.
While one person said he heard that, as testified to by Davis's friends and Dunn, what was said was: "Are you talking to me."
Which again, supports his account.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:doh
You keep going in circles with this Jury nonsense.
And as already pointed out several times, juries get things wrong all the time.
So stop speaking nonsense.

Going by the evidence and the fact no one believed his story... but you, no the evidence says he lied and is guilty.

Actually they have not been refuted.
If you knew the evidence, you would know that.

I know as much about the evidence as you do. Which is that he is guilty, but again you want to accept his lame excuse and story above the other testimony and evidence.

More absurdity from you because you can not argue the actual evidence. :doh

Fact. All one has to do is follow this thread. You are alone in this nonsense of he was wrongly convicted.

:doh :lamo :lamo
Even though this has already been gone over you still get it wrong, showing that you again do not know the evidence.
While one person said he heard that, as testified to by Davis's friends and Dunn, what was said was: "Are you talking to me."
Which again, supports his account.

So the bystander who has no reason to lie and was not affected by the situation at all is the one you want to discount? Sorry no amount of smileys can do a better job of showing the lunacy and absolute nonsense of your argument.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You mean the statement made by Dunn

That he said there was a gun, yet no gun was found

That he said he was threatened, yet no one else supports that viewpoint

All the "evidence" is based on Dunn's word, and by god a person on trial for murder would never lie or make up things to stop themselves from being convicted

Too bad he didn't *actually* respond to the threat by driving away before shooting. He wouldn't be in jail now.

Certainly would be faster than reaching over to glove compartment, grabbing gun, possibly chambering a round, aiming, and shooting

Drive away: shift into gear and drive forward or reverse.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I would have to agree. As a juror I would think that specific issue would be tough to get around - leaving the scene and not reporting...needing to be tracked down. It would make me weigh other things he said with a grain of salt.

I know...emptying all those rounds into a vehicle with living humans into it and not reporting it? Not wondering if you killed anyone? Going and eating dinner (really, to comfort the gf who wasn't even in the vehicle?) I thought she didn't even know the extent of the exchange?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I know...emptying all those rounds into a vehicle with living humans into it and not reporting it? Not wondering if you killed anyone? Going and eating dinner (really, to comfort the gf who wasn't even in the vehicle?) I thought she didn't even know the extent of the exchange?

When getting a permit for a gun, they should ask you a simple question.

If you discharge your weapon in the direction of another human being, do you promise to report the occurrence to the police immediately?

Yes------You may complete the application.

No------Tear up the application and go do what ever it is that thugs do.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

When getting a permit for a gun, they should ask you a simple question.

If you discharge your weapon in the direction of another human being, do you promise to report the occurrence to the police immediately?

Yes------You may complete the application.

No------Tear up the application and go do what ever it is that thugs do.

Altho not always required by a state, any training I've heard of for permit holders includes ALWAYS calling 911 after a shooting. One reason for that is because the courts tend to believe the first person reporting is the innocent party. Either way, it's totally for the protection of the shooter....unless the shooter is guilty.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Going by the evidence and the fact no one believed his story... .
There you go speaking delusional biased nonsense again.
You are not going by the evidence at all. It is why you continually avoid discussing it after it is shown that it isn't in your opinion's favor.

Nor do you know if they disbelieved him or not.
They very well could have believed him but thought that it wasn't reasonable to use deadly force in such a situation.

Or, as you were also previously told:

We saw from the first trial one Juror who wanted to convict simply because she believed he had other options, like rolling up a window, moving to another space, etc...
That clearly is not applying the law as it is written.
If any juror who convicted him this time did so for that reason, his conviction should not stand.
The fact remains that at this time (which I keep pointing out, and you fail to grasp) we do not know why the jury decided what it did.
But what remains clear is that there is no credible evidence that contradicts his account of acting in self defense.
Nothing provided by you or anyone else, or the false claims of racism, show otherwise.
Nothing.

But nooooo, :doh you keep going in circles because you have no valid argument.



but you, no the evidence says he lied and is guilty.
No it doesn't. If it did you could point to it, yet can't.
But for a gun, even Davis's friends testimony supported what Dunn said.
And yet, even though pointed out multiple times, you fail to grasp that. :doh



I know as much about the evidence as you do.
:2rofll:
No, you clearly don't.



but again you want to accept his lame excuse and story above the other testimony and evidence
He has no lame excuse. He reacted out of fear, which is exactly what the evidence supports, which again, no evidence disputes. So you are again telling lies.



Fact. All one has to do is follow this thread. You are alone in this nonsense of he was wrongly convicted.
More untrue nonsense from you.
As previously pointed out, a local Florida poll indicated roughly a 61/38 split, and as I stated: "While I may be in the minority I am not the only one."
So you are again speaking more nonsense, as others do agree, and the fact is as stated, you can not argue the evidence.



So the bystander who has no reason to lie and was not affected by the situation at all is the one you want to discount? Sorry no amount of smileys can do a better job of showing the lunacy and absolute nonsense of your argument.
The lunacy is all yours, as you are showing your bias and a failure to look objectively at the evidence in toto of this specific instance.

Smith was a credible witness. The problem is that what he testified to was not.
He stated that he was able to hear Dunn, who was behind closed windows and facing away from him, at a specific point in time, say: "You're not going to talk to me that way".
The fact that Dunn was behind closed windows and facing away from him makes what he says questionable at it's best.
But then, Davis's friends and Dunn both say during that specific period in time, that what was said was a similar: "Are you talking to me."

Obviously Smith is mistaken.

But because of your preconceived racial bias you want to believe what Smith said is the truth. Too bad, the other and more supported evidence contradicts it.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

There you go speaking delusional biased nonsense again.
You are not going by the evidence at all. It is why you continually avoid discussing it after it is shown that it isn't in your opinion's favor.

Nor do you know if they disbelieved him or not.
They very well could have believed him but thought that it wasn't reasonable to use deadly force in such a situation.

Or, as you were also previously told:

We saw from the first trial one Juror who wanted to convict simply because she believed he had other options, like rolling up a window, moving to another space, etc...
That clearly is not applying the law as it is written.
If any juror who convicted him this time did so for that reason, his conviction should not stand.
The fact remains that at this time (which I keep pointing out, and you fail to grasp) we do not know why the jury decided what it did.
But what remains clear is that there is no credible evidence that contradicts his account of acting in self defense.
Nothing provided by you or anyone else, or the false claims of racism, show otherwise.
Nothing.

But nooooo, :doh you keep going in circles because you have no valid argument.

No it doesn't. If it did you could point to it, yet can't.
But for a gun, even Davis's friends testimony supported what Dunn said.
And yet, even though pointed out multiple times, you fail to grasp that. :doh

:2rofll:
No, you clearly don't.

He has no lame excuse. He reacted out of fear, which is exactly what the evidence supports, which again, no evidence disputes. So you are again telling lies.

More untrue nonsense from you.
As previously pointed out, a local Florida poll indicated roughly a 61/38 split, and as I stated: "While I may be in the minority I am not the only one."
So you are again speaking more nonsense, as others do agree, and the fact is as stated, you can not argue the evidence.

The lunacy is all yours, as you are showing your bias and a failure to look objectively at the evidence in toto of this specific instance.

Smith was a credible witness. The problem is that what he testified to was not.
He stated that he was able to hear Dunn, who was behind closed windows and facing away from him, at a specific point in time, say: "You're not going to talk to me that way".
The fact that Dunn was behind closed windows and facing away from him makes what he says questionable at it's best.
But then, Davis's friends and Dunn both say during that specific period in time, that what was said was a similar: "Are you talking to me."

Obviously Smith is mistaken.

But because of your preconceived racial bias you want to believe what Smith said is the truth. Too bad, the other and more supported evidence contradicts it.

To long so I didn't bother to read it. It's just more of the same dribble you have been repeatedly posting that no one agrees with... The media, jury, populace, 99% of DP and 99.9% of the people involved.

So with that, I will laugh at your statements some more and bid you good day. :mrgreen:
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

To long so I didn't bother to read it. It's just more of the same dribble you have been repeatedly posting that no one agrees with... The media, jury, populace and 99.9% of the people involved.

So with that, I will laugh at your statements some more and bid you good day. :mrgreen:
You read it. You know you did.
And discovered again you don't know the evidence, and clearly have shown you can't argue it.
Your vapid responses testify to that.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You read it. You know you did.

No I really did not want to waist my time on more useless comments.

And discovered again you don't know the evidence, and clearly have shown you can't argue it.
Your vapid responses testify to that.

OK whatever you say. Of course you think I actually read that nonsense you posted. :lamo
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Mr. Dunn will be spending the rest of his life in prison: Loud-music shooter gets life in prison

I'm sure that many times in the future Mr. Dunn will wish that he had just left that place. If he had he wouldn't be spending the rest of his life behind bars and that young man would still be alive.

But he did what he did and now he must pay the price.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Mr. Dunn will be spending the rest of his life in prison: Loud-music shooter gets life in prison

I'm sure that many times in the future Mr. Dunn will wish that he had just left that place. If he had he wouldn't be spending the rest of his life behind bars and that young man would still be alive.

But he did what he did and now he must pay the price.

Awesome. Justice has been rendered in full.

May others who feel they are entitled to prey on young black men learn a lesson from this thug.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

He has no lame excuse. He reacted out of fear, which is exactly what the evidence supports, which again, no evidence disputes. So you are again telling lies.

People can act out of fear all they want, but if you do so without credible threat and infringe upon the rights of others in doing so; you are at fault and you get to face the punishment.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

When getting a permit for a gun, they should ask you a simple question.

If you discharge your weapon in the direction of another human being, do you promise to report the occurrence to the police immediately?

Yes------You may complete the application.

No------Tear up the application and go do what ever it is that thugs do.



Thugs always make promises and keep them, yes? :lol:

It's easy to agree to anything to get what you want but the fact is most 'thugs' don't apply for a permit but get the gun off the street.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

People can act out of fear all they want, but if you do so without credible threat and infringe upon the rights of others in doing so; you are at fault and you get to face the punishment.



As Baretta said: "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

As Baretta said: "Don't do the crime if you can't do the time."

I'm not really a fan of that argument because at its base, that's appeal to authority. But you cannot infringe upon the rights of others without cause, that is a basic premise, it's fundamental to our Republic. Hallucinated threats caused by irrational fear do not count as cause, they are not real. Ignorance and stupidity are not excuses for infringing upon the rights of others.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Mr. Dunn will be spending the rest of his life in prison: Loud-music shooter gets life in prison

I'm sure that many times in the future Mr. Dunn will wish that he had just left that place. If he had he wouldn't be spending the rest of his life behind bars and that young man would still be alive.

But he did what he did and now he must pay the price.

Good. Glad to know that the real thug will spend his life behind bars. Life plus 105 years is a long time to think about what he's done.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial


heard thier gonna remake the "life" cereal commercial with him LOL

all the "thugs" that he thinks cant talk to him that way are gonna be showing him something that looks like a gun every day :D
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

heard thier gonna remake the "life" cereal commercial with him LOL

all the "thugs" that he thinks cant talk to him that way are gonna be showing him something that looks like a gun every day :D

That's the second time you made that joke, just an observation, it wasn't that funny the first time....
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

That's the second time you made that joke, just an observation, it wasn't that funny the first time....

you are welcome to your opinion but I found it funny both times as did others :shrug:
its even MORE funny that you dont find it funny!
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

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Followed them?
Are you even speaking of the same case?




Excon: Yes, he chased the vehicle. He shot into the vehicle 10 times. There were no return shots, since the guys weren't armed. The vehicle took off, and the defendant ran after it, continuing to shoot into it.


This really doesn't sound like a case of self defense at all. He had lost control, at best. At best. He was in a rage and determined to do what he intended to do.

Then afterwards, he didn't call the police. He went to his hotel, ordered a pizza, had a beer, took the dog for a walk, then went to sleep.

I'm sure you can see how this is different from someone who really is defending himself. He just blew his stack over the music, the guys' attitude about it.

Neither you nor I was in the trial. There are probably facts that neither of us are aware of. But what he did after he killed one of the guys is probably what landed him in jail for life. Those aren't the actions of an innocent man who thought he was defending himself (although we all know that he wasn't TRULY defending himself, since the guys weren't armed).

I think it may have been a crime of passion, in the heat of the moment. And for that, I think no parole wasn't warranted. But when you take someone's life, that's something that must be done only in certain, extreme circumstances. If not, then justice must prevail. The one who took someone's life must then give up his own, in the name of justice.

It's a sad situation. If only the defendant had not had the gun. None of this would've happened. It's just so easy, when someone is hot headed, to do the wrong thing and lose control.
 
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