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Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial[W:292]

Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Exactly what I said except in legal terms thank you for the compliment.

Oh bull. You said nothing of the sort. You are more Rusty the Bailiff then Judge Wapner, so don't think what I said was a compliment.

Premeditation means you planned the murder out in your mind. As in PRE meditated. That is far different than a quick unthought out reaction to a specific situation.

The link I posted said:

The need for deliberation and premeditation does not mean that the perpetrator must contemplate at length or plan far ahead of the murder. Time enough to form the conscious intent to kill and then act on it after enough time for a reasonable person to second guess the decision typically suffices.

A few seconds is all it takes to change from a crime of passion to premeditated murder.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Oh bull. You said nothing of the sort. You are more Rusty the Bailiff then Judge Wapner, so don't think what I said was a compliment.



The link I posted said:



A few seconds is all it takes to change from a crime of passion to premeditated murder.

Exactly, if a guy pisses you off in a bar and you immediately bash his brains in with a beer bottle it is not premeditated. If you sit quietly a minute sipping your brew and plan how you are going to sneak up behind him and bash his brains in it is premeditated
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

All it takes is a few seconds to realize that what you are doing is wrong. I mean, that's not legal, or a technical term. :lol: The way I think it works is if you have time to talk yourself out of it, and you still go through with it, its premeditated. Again, though - I don't know. That's just how I always thought it to be.

Esp. if it's faster to put the car into gear and get the heck away from the threat.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I'm sorry, but you are flat out wrong or simply misguided

I'm sorry too, but you are flat out wrong or simply misguided
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Exactly, if a guy pisses you off in a bar and you immediately bash his brains in with a beer bottle it is not premeditated. If you sit quietly a minute sipping your brew and plan how you are going to sneak up behind him and bash his brains in it is premeditated
It doesn't take a minute...
Premeditation can occur in less than a second.
It speaks more to intent than a period of time.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Premeditation means you planned the murder out in your mind. As in PRE meditated. That is far different than a quick unthought out reaction to a specific situation.

But realistically, this process in legal terms could tale seconds or minutes.

I was not privy to all the actual evidence and testimony...based on what I have seen....he could have gone the "flipped a switch" route and in the heat of the moment murdered the teen and attempted to murder the others, but seriously, as a juror...it would have been really difficult to attach any credibility to Dunn.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I'm sorry too, but you are flat out wrong or simply misguided

Wrong..again!

Use the search option and you will see Ex posting strictly on law/evidence and not on race, religion or any other emotional bs factor ..
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

It doesn't take a minute...
Premeditation can occur in less than a second.
It speaks more to intent than a period of time.

Can you site a case where someone was convicted of premeditated murder that occurred in less than a second? Not being a smart ass it's an honest question. I just don't think it happens real world.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Can you site a case where someone was convicted of premeditated murder that occurred in less than a second? Not being a smart ass it's an honest question. I just don't think it happens real world.

I would have no clue how to effectively search that one, but my guess most premeditated murders are "planned" over the course of days,weeks, or months rather than minutes or seconds. But I am ok with it happening more quickly than that.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Can you site a case where someone was convicted of premeditated murder that occurred in less than a second? Not being a smart ass it's an honest question. I just don't think it happens real world.

I think it is there in theory, as far as proving it in a court of law, that now is a whole other question. FWIW, I have a real problem with Dunn leaving the scene, and think that did more to convict him than any racial motive could have.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

I think it is there in theory, as far as proving it in a court of law, that now is a whole other question. FWIW, I have a real problem with Dunn leaving the scene, and think that did more to convict him than any racial motive could have.

I would have to agree. As a juror I would think that specific issue would be tough to get around - leaving the scene and not reporting...needing to be tracked down. It would make me weigh other things he said with a grain of salt.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Can you site a case where someone was convicted of premeditated murder that occurred in less than a second? Not being a smart ass it's an honest question. I just don't think it happens real world.

Have never really understood why there should be a difference between premeditated murder and murder. The victim is dead in both situations.

It is the same way with assault hate crimes. Do you really even need a classification of hate crime. Either way you hate the victim enough to hurt him.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Have never really understood why there should be a difference between premeditated murder and murder. The victim is dead in both situations.

It is the same way with assault hate crimes. Do you really even need a classification of hate crime. Either way you hate the victim enough to hurt him.

Hell, I never understood the difference between attempted murder and murder. One has a dead victim. The other has a living victim scared ****less that the perp will come back to finish the job.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Wrong..again!

Use the search option and you will see Ex posting strictly on law/evidence and not on race, religion or any other emotional bs factor ..

It is amazing that some have to be told that.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

When you make false claims of racism and don't understand that is what you have done. Something is wrong with the reasoning you are using.
Wrong. The claim was not false ...Dunn was an obvious racist and no doubt still is.
:naughty
Wrong again. Those claims are false. Just as yours are.


:doh
His letters do not say he is a racist.
Wrong ...They did.
Wrong again.
Nothing in his letters says he is a racist. Nothing.
You are seeing what you want to see, not what is there.

Nothing there suggest that he thinks his race is superior to that of others races. Nothing.

He speaks to the fact that the jail is full of blacks (Do you doubt that it was?), and goes on to speak to their actions as being thugs. Do you really doubt that those in a jail (a known criminal element of society) aren't acting like thugs? That is not speaking to all blacks, is it? Of course it isn't.
He speaks to such as idiots and killing them when they threaten you. That is not speaking to all blacks, is it? Of course it isn't, as it speaks specifically to the idiots who threaten you.

Not once did he indicate that his race was better.
I am sure that like him, you also have no use for such black criminal thugs, which is not racism, but a prejudice against some folks for the way they act.
So all you and others like you are doing is spouting nonsense.


What Dunn "intended to do" that night was to murder ALL the kids in that Durango with the loud music.
:lamo
Wrong again. His intent is what he stated it to be. No evidence showed otherwise.
And he was defending himself from a threat. Not shooting "at" the others.


He has defended EVERY murderer where a white guy murdered a black un-armrd teen that has come along.
Let me remind you again Buck, this isn't about me. How is it that you do not understand that?

Regardless, you are again letting your imagination run wild, speaking utter nonsense and making false claims.
Dunn is the only one who has been convicted of murder that I have defended because the evidence says he acted in self-defense.


In future cases we can be sure what side he will take even before the crimes are committed.
You again are speaking nonsense.
If there is another case where it is clear the person acted in self-defese, regardless of color, I will take the side of the person who acted in such a manner.

His record of taking the side of racist murderers of un-armed teens is perfect.
Your convoluted thoughts aside; :lamo


He found nothing racist in Dunn's letters from jail.
Because there is nothing racist in them.
And you have repeatedly and utterly failed to show anything racist in them.





Oh so a lunatic who thinks every black person that talks back should be killed isnt a racist?
You are again speaking nonsense, as that is not what he said.


Funny how he didnt even say anything about whites being thugs but merely blacks
Funny? Obviously you do not understand the environment he was in, which as he said, was full of blacks.
So why would he mention white folks? Especially if the were none where he was at acting like thugs? Huh?
Back to you not understanding the environment. This was a jail. Pretrial. You know, a place where the guests are usually separated and grouped together according to the severity of the crime charged, crime of violence vs property crime.

So you thinking his failure to mention whites as significant, is actually absurd.


but merely blacks and he should get to kill them all...
And again, that isn't what he said.


Are you Dunn's brother or something? Because I cant believe you are defending this murderer.
:doh
And I can't believe that people can't see past their own racially biased viewpoints, yet here you all are.
A person who acted in self defense and wrongfully convicted of murder, does not a murderer make.


Oh wait, you also indicated that all jails are full of blacks too- I guess you think no white, hispanic or asian guy ever goes to jail right?
There is that bias raising it's head again.
Get a grip.
No one said or held forth any such thing.
Show that there was anyone else where Dunn was that were acting like idiots and thugs like he mentioned.
If you can't, then all you are left with is your biased imagination.





I think he followed them to shoot them, after they took off in their car.
Followed them?
Are you even speaking of the same case?





He had enough time to reach into his glove compartment and shoot 9 to 10 shots into the other vehicle.
That speaks to responding in self defense to a threat, not to premeditation.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

That speaks to responding in self defense to a threat, not to premeditation.

Responding to a threat does not include driving away and ordering pizza. So the jury decided it was premeditated, and rightly so.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Responding to a threat does not include driving away and ordering pizza. So the jury decided it was premeditated, and rightly so.

The premeditated thing is elusive. He was guilty of murder and attempted murder of the other 3 teens.

Dunn and his little flock of morons can cry all they want but this bastard is in lockup for life.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Responding to a threat does not include driving away and ordering pizza. So the jury decided it was premeditated, and rightly so.
:naughty
Yes driving away is just one way to respond to a threat.
And the pizza was for the gf. You know, the emotionally unstable one he was concerned for and had to deal with.
Duh!
And we know what the jury found, and they were wrong by the evidence.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

The premeditated thing is elusive. He was guilty of murder and attempted murder of the other 3 teens.

Dunn and his little flock of morons can cry all they want but this bastard is in lockup for life.
:lamo:lamo:lamo
You seem to represent this flocking quite well. :doh

We are not discussing what the jury found. We are discussing the evidence.
How many time does that need to be said?
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:naughty
Yes driving away is just one way to respond to a threat.
And the pizza was for the gf. You know, the emotionally unstable one he was concerned for and had to deal with.
Duh!
And we know what the jury found, and they were wrong by the evidence.

Yea because you seem to be the only one deluded by Dunns upstanding honesty, lol.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:naughty
Yes driving away is just one way to respond to a threat.
And the pizza was for the gf. You know, the emotionally unstable one he was concerned for and had to deal with.
Duh!
And we know what the jury found, and they were wrong by the evidence.

You mean the statement made by Dunn

That he said there was a gun, yet no gun was found

That he said he was threatened, yet no one else supports that viewpoint

All the "evidence" is based on Dunn's word, and by god a person on trial for murder would never lie or make up things to stop themselves from being convicted
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

Yea because you seem to be the only one deluded by Dunns upstanding honesty, lol.
:doh
Evidence dude. The evidence.
None of which you have been able to refute.
 
Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

You mean the statement made by Dunn

That he said there was a gun, yet no gun was found
How many time do we have to go over this?

That does not mean that a gun did not exist.
Nor does it mean that something that appeared to be a gun didn't exist. (Tripod leg being one such thing)

Davis friends left the scene by driving into an adjacent parking lot 400 feet away. They stop and got out. It was seen that they appeared to be looking for something in the vehicle and moving stuff around.
The driver instead of completing a call to 911, made two call[s] in this par[k]ing lot to his aunt and his cousin, both who lived in the immediate area and who both came unto the scene in minutes.

The police didn't bother to search the area until several days later.
If Davis had a gun or something that appeared as such, they had more than ample opportunity to get rid of it and have it secreted away.
So it does leave the possibility that there was one.


In addition.
... Davis's friends testified that he had his phone in his hand.
If the Police can be cleared for shooting a person because they were in fear for their life because they thought a phone in a persons hand was a gun, than so should Dunn.



That he said he was threatened, yet no one else supports that viewpoint
What?
Did you not watch the testimony of Davis's friends?
Dunn's account is supported by their testimony.
It was Davis who was irate, acting in a threatening manner and got out of the vehicle just as Dunn said.
Do keep in mind that there was absolutely no reason for Davis to get out of the vehicle, except for the proffered reason of carrying through with his threats.
And the only evidence testified to was that Davis was the one agitated and that he got out of the vehicle.
Just like Dunn said.


All the "evidence" is based on Dunn's word, and by god a person on trial for murder would never lie or make up things to stop themselves from being convicted
That is your own cynical thoughts speaking.
The evidence shows Dunn to have been reacting to a threat.
 
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Re: Michael Dunn found guilty of 1st-degree murder in loud-music trial

:doh
Evidence dude. The evidence.
None of which you have been able to refute.

If that were the case... He would not have been convicted by a jury of 12.

His testimony and actions have been refuted... In a court of law.

The only thing that has not been refuted here is your blind devotion to a murderer.

PS: "You're not going to talk to me that way" - Dunn

Does not sound like someone who is in fear of their life.
 
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