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U.S. may keep Secret Prisoners in custody after Afghan War exit....

MMC said:
It appears BO has to make a decision over these Prisoners in Afghanistan, secret prisoners.....note the last resort to take them into a US Judicial System. If they were caught in battle against us.....then we need to take them out and execute them. Otherwise they will just take up the fight somewhere else. What interests me was the Russians captured. What say ye?
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The Russians are most likely Chechens.
 
humbolt said:
You willingly repeat whatever you're told.
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Isnt that ironic...

Baghdadi was released in 2009 because the commander of Bucca recognizes him as the man released in 2009. You can believe Obama. I'm buying the commander's factual and first hand account - you know, the guy who was actually there and saw it. I already have reason to disbelieve this administration.
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Again no he wasnt.

"WASHINGTON — When the U.S. military detained Abu Bakr al Baghdadi in Iraq in 2004, it was too inexperienced at dealing with suspected terrorists to know what kind of threat he potentially posed when it released him just 10 months later, those who worked in the military detention system at that time now concede.

A review of documents made public by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks makes clear that commanders were crafting standard operating procedures even as they took in ever more detainees, tackling questions as basic as how often to conduct headcounts. According to Wikileaks, the military produced 40 documents in 2004 reviewing procedures at Camp Bucca, indicating the camp was a work in progress.


Baghdadi had been arrested in February 2004 along with several others in the western Sunni-dominated city of Fallujah and was held at the military’s Camp Bucca in southern Iraq until he was released in December of that year, the Pentagon said.

It wasn’t until 2006, long after Baghdadi had been released, that the U.S. began keeping detailed records on it detainees, including collecting biometrics to help in identifying individuals who, like Baghdadi, might be using a number of aliases."
WASHINGTON: Unprepared U.S. officials missed Baghdadi’s likely al Qaida connection during 2004 detention | Iraq | McClatchy DC


""Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Al Badry, also known as 'Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi' was held as a 'civilian internee' by U.S. Forces-Iraq from early February 2004 until early December 2004, when he was released," the Pentagon told us in a statement. "He was held at Camp Bucca. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended 'unconditional release' of this detainee and he was released from U.S. custody shortly thereafter. We have no record of him being held at any other time."

In short, according to the Defense Department, the man who heads Islamic State was set free in 2004, long before Obama took office, and he was not recaptured."
Actor James Woods: Obama ordered the release of Islamic State leader | PunditFact


""Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Al Badry, also known as ‘Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’ was held as a ‘civilian internee’ by U.S. Forces-Iraq from early February 2004 until early December 2004, when he was released," the Pentagon said in a statement. "He was held at Camp Bucca. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended ‘unconditional release’ of this detainee and he was released from U.S. custody shortly thereafter. We have no record of him being held at any other time."
Fox's Pirro: Obama set ISIS leader free in 2009 | PunditFact

"The Pentagon says that Mr. Baghdadi, after being arrested in Falluja in early 2004, was released that December with a large group of other prisoners deemed low level. But Hisham al-Hashimi, an Iraqi scholar who has researched Mr. Baghdadi’s life, sometimes on behalf of Iraqi intelligence, said that Mr. Baghdadi had spent five years in an American detention facility where, like many ISIS fighters now on the battlefield, he became more radicalized."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html
 
Perotista said:
For the terrorist, a military tribunal and death. For the Taliban soldier or fighter, threat them as POW's and keep them in GITMO until the president of Afghanistan says different. I see a difference between the two.
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Why.....the Taliban isn't a fielded army. Treat them like the Terrorists they are.
 
iacardsfan said:
To those who find this to be a good thing. What say you about the indefinite detaining of American citizens?
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Well I don't think terrorists are about indefinite detaining of American Citizens. So why would there be that worry?
 
Mr. Invisible said:
The Russians are most likely Chechens.
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Heya Mr.I. :2wave: Yeah I figured.....I was just wondering about the numbers. Seems the one running things inside Syria. Knows what he is doing.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
Isnt that ironic...



Again no he wasnt.

"WASHINGTON — When the U.S. military detained Abu Bakr al Baghdadi in Iraq in 2004, it was too inexperienced at dealing with suspected terrorists to know what kind of threat he potentially posed when it released him just 10 months later, those who worked in the military detention system at that time now concede.

A review of documents made public by the anti-secrecy website WikiLeaks makes clear that commanders were crafting standard operating procedures even as they took in ever more detainees, tackling questions as basic as how often to conduct headcounts. According to Wikileaks, the military produced 40 documents in 2004 reviewing procedures at Camp Bucca, indicating the camp was a work in progress.


Baghdadi had been arrested in February 2004 along with several others in the western Sunni-dominated city of Fallujah and was held at the military’s Camp Bucca in southern Iraq until he was released in December of that year, the Pentagon said.

It wasn’t until 2006, long after Baghdadi had been released, that the U.S. began keeping detailed records on it detainees, including collecting biometrics to help in identifying individuals who, like Baghdadi, might be using a number of aliases."
WASHINGTON: Unprepared U.S. officials missed Baghdadi’s likely al Qaida connection during 2004 detention | Iraq | McClatchy DC


""Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Al Badry, also known as 'Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi' was held as a 'civilian internee' by U.S. Forces-Iraq from early February 2004 until early December 2004, when he was released," the Pentagon told us in a statement. "He was held at Camp Bucca. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended 'unconditional release' of this detainee and he was released from U.S. custody shortly thereafter. We have no record of him being held at any other time."

In short, according to the Defense Department, the man who heads Islamic State was set free in 2004, long before Obama took office, and he was not recaptured."
Actor James Woods: Obama ordered the release of Islamic State leader | PunditFact


""Ibrahim Awad Ibrahim Al Badry, also known as ‘Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi’ was held as a ‘civilian internee’ by U.S. Forces-Iraq from early February 2004 until early December 2004, when he was released," the Pentagon said in a statement. "He was held at Camp Bucca. A Combined Review and Release Board recommended ‘unconditional release’ of this detainee and he was released from U.S. custody shortly thereafter. We have no record of him being held at any other time."
Fox's Pirro: Obama set ISIS leader free in 2009 | PunditFact

"The Pentagon says that Mr. Baghdadi, after being arrested in Falluja in early 2004, was released that December with a large group of other prisoners deemed low level. But Hisham al-Hashimi, an Iraqi scholar who has researched Mr. Baghdadi’s life, sometimes on behalf of Iraqi intelligence, said that Mr. Baghdadi had spent five years in an American detention facility where, like many ISIS fighters now on the battlefield, he became more radicalized."
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/08/11/world/middleeast/us-actions-in-iraq-fueled-rise-of-a-rebel.html
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There are an equal number of sources which claim precisely the opposite. I'm with the commander here. You hang with Obama. He's your style. BTW, Baghdadi has more aliases than carter has pills, if you check. That's why the commander looking at him is more credible from the start.
 
humbolt said:
There are an equal number of sources which claim precisely the opposite.
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And those are wrong. It was a lie. It has been debunked. Move on.

I'm with the commander here. You hang with Obama. He's your style. BTW, Baghdadi has more aliases than carter has pills, if you check. That's why the commander looking at him is more credible from the start.
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I'm not "hanging" with anyone. Im simply stating what your are claiming that Obama released him is not true. He was released in 2004. Obama did not have the power to release him. Government sources confirm this.
 
MMC said:
Why.....the Taliban isn't a fielded army. Treat them like the Terrorists they are.
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That is debatable. The Taliban was an organization made up of 4 Afghani tribes trying to defeat the other 14 tribes of the Northern Alliance to take over rule of all of Afghanistan. It is true the Taliban gave sanctuary to UBL and AQ, but they themselves were not exporting terrorism, it was AQ. They also had more or less a standing army in the traditional sense. One can also say after the Northern Alliance drove them out of Afghanistan, some stayed behind to conduct guerrilla warfare which is associated with terrorism. At least in the way they conducted their guerrilla warfare.

Those captured that were in their so called standing army should be treated as POW's, the guerrilla folks/terrorist should be treated as such. In my mind there is a difference. A force attacking an outpost if some are captured should be treated as POW's. A man using explosive devices to blow up civilians etc, is a terrorist.
 
Perotista said:
That is debatable. The Taliban was an organization made up of 4 Afghani tribes trying to defeat the other 14 tribes of the Northern Alliance to take over rule of all of Afghanistan. It is true the Taliban gave sanctuary to UBL and AQ, but they themselves were not exporting terrorism, it was AQ. They also had more or less a standing army in the traditional sense. One can also say after the Northern Alliance drove them out of Afghanistan, some stayed behind to conduct guerrilla warfare which is associated with terrorism. At least in the way they conducted their guerrilla warfare.

Those captured that were in their so called standing army should be treated as POW's, the guerrilla folks/terrorist should be treated as such. In my mind there is a difference. A force attacking an outpost if some are captured should be treated as POW's. A man using explosive devices to blow up civilians etc, is a terrorist.
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Well if they are foreign fighters taken from other battlefields.....then they are terrorists. No need for any attorneys.
 
TheDemSocialist said:
And those are wrong. It was a lie. It has been debunked. Move on.
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I don't think so at all. I can't help but notice you didn't address the track record on truthfulness for this administration. Sorry, but AQ isn't on the run, and they haven't been decimated, and we had public hearings on this very issue which are part of public record now that this administration and the organs of it have been lying about this issue as well since. I take the word of the commander on the ground at the time, every time, rather than the word of proven liars.


I'm not "hanging" with anyone. Im simply stating what your are claiming that Obama released him is not true. He was released in 2004. Obama did not have the power to release him. Government sources confirm this.
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Sure you are, but I can understand that hanging with Obama and all his lies would be something you'd like to deny. BTW, I didn't claim anything other than what the reporting asserts. Your problem is the veracity of the sources you claim are definitive, when we know they aren't, by demonstration. You may want to run with liars. I don't.
 
MMC said:
I am surprised the Progressives aren't out in full force.....knowing BO has kept secret prisoners all locked up in Afghanistan.
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Perhaps they don't understand why he's doing what he's doing any more than anyone else does, so what can they say? However, several high-ranking Dems, and the entire Supreme Court which includes Dems, have been publicly challenging him for answers lately on a variety of topics that they do know about, and they haven't been shy about it either! Who knows.........
 
polgara said:
Perhaps they don't understand why he's doing what he's doing any more than anyone else does, so what can they say? However, several high-ranking Dems, and the entire Supreme Court which includes Dems, have been publicly challenging him for answers lately on a variety of topics that they do know about, and they haven't been shy about it either! Who knows.........
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Should make for some interesting reports to come.
 
polgara said:
Perhaps they don't understand why he's doing what he's doing any more than anyone else does, so what can they say? However, several high-ranking Dems, and the entire Supreme Court which includes Dems, have been publicly challenging him for answers lately on a variety of topics that they do know about, and they haven't been shy about it either! Who knows.........
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Oh, I am sure it will come back around and then they will jump all over the issue Lady P. :2wave:
 
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