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Justice Department tellsFerguson police tostopwearing bracelets

As a simple matter of professionalism, and at least the public appearance of representing everyone, police should remain above the fray. Always. Everywhere. For that reason alone, the wristbands of this sort are inappropriate.
 
radcen said:
*whoosh!*

To be expected, given the source, but still...
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So you don't get it. Figures.
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To be expected, given the source.


radcen said:
As a simple matter of professionalism, and at least the public appearance of representing everyone, police should remain above the fray. Always. Everywhere. For that reason alone, the wristbands of this sort are inappropriate.
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Wrong.
The individual/s wearing them actually demonstrate that they have fine judgement and support the correct side.
 
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Excon said:
So you don't get it. Figures.
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To be expected, given the source.
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:lol: Really? You used my quip back on me? You're really no more articulate than that? That's funny!


Excon said:
Wrong.
The individual/s wearing them actually demonstrate that they have fine judgement and support the correct side.
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Let me give you a couple debate hints, as I'm sure somebody told you incorrectly before, and since you're easily-led you lapped it right up...

1) Declaring "wrong" is not an effective debate tactic. No one ever has heard/read that and said, "Golly, my conclusion must be in error."
2) Also, simply stating the same hollow unsubstantiated... oops, sorry, was that word too big?... anyway, simply stating the same hollow unsupported point over and over is poor debate tactics as well. As a debate tactic, it's literally unconvincing.

I still have hope for you, though, and I'm sure you'll learn a lot in next year's 7th grade speech class.

I would ask you to expand on your point, but honestly I have absolutely no faith that you even can.
 
radcen said:
Really? You used my quip back on me? You're really no more articulate than that? That's funny!
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:doh
It is funny because your quip was absurdly juvenile as it was wrong and it deserved to be thrown back at you as it applied more to you than anybody else.



radcen said:
Let me give you a couple debate hints, as I'm sure somebody told you incorrectly before, and since you're easily-led you lapped it right up...

1) Declaring "wrong" is not an effective debate tactic. No one ever has heard/read that and said, "Golly, my conclusion must be in error."
2) Also, simply stating the same hollow unsubstantiated... oops, sorry, was that word too big?... anyway, simply stating the same hollow unsupported point over and over is poor debate tactics as well. As a debate tactic, it's literally unconvincing.

I still have hope for you, though, and I'm sure you'll learn a lot in next year's 7th grade speech class.

I would ask you to expand on your point, but honestly I have absolutely no faith that you even can.
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You obviously are only speaking of yourself and your education level, because as everyone knows, this topic isn't about me.

Even though I included why you are wrong, "Wrong" is succinct and concise. No more is needed that that.
If you are interested in knowing why you are wrong, you can ask.

As for repeating a point? :doh When you don't get it the first time and fail to refute it, of course it needs repeating.
 
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Excon said:
If you are interested in knowing why you are wrong, you can ask.
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Oh, this should be fun. It's been many years since I've been subjected to a middle school level intellect.

Ok, I'll play... Would you please tell me *why* I am wrong?

Not expecting much, of course, but maybe I'll be surprised. Anyway, here's your chance... articulate away and present a good case.
 
radcen said:
Oh, this should be fun. It's been many years since I've been subjected to a middle school level intellect.

Ok, I'll play... Would you please tell me *why* I am wrong?

Not expecting much, of course, but maybe I'll be surprised. Anyway, here's your chance... articulate away and present a good case.
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Your failure again.
You were already told why you were wrong.

And you also showed that you were wrong as soon as you tried to make it about me and not the topic.
 
Excon said:
Wrong.
The individual/s wearing them actually demonstrate that they have fine judgement and support the correct side.
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So, as long as you agree with the police, wearing bracelets is fine. But if the police were supporting the wrong side, aka the side you disagree with, they'd be in the wrong.

It's a principled position I guess - right or wrong hinges on whether you agree, or not! Of course, others might think something a bit more defensible would be for the cops to remain publicly neutral while in uniform and on duty so long as there is an active investigation and authorities (and/or perhaps a trial) are still sorting out the conflicting accounts. After all, if you changed your mind tomorrow, say some new evidence was uncovered, then the rightness or wrongness of the police would change.
 
Excon said:
Your failure again.
You were already told why you were wrong.

And you also showed that you were wrong as soon as you tried to make it about me and not the topic.
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In other words, you cannot articulate anything. Got it.

Carry on.
 
radcen said:
In other words, you cannot articulate anything. Got it.

Carry on.
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Your failure again.
As it was already articulated, you must be speaking of yourself again. Figures.
 
JasperL said:
So, as long as you agree with the police, wearing bracelets is fine. But if the police were supporting the wrong side, aka the side you disagree with, they'd be in the wrong.

It's a principled position I guess - right or wrong hinges on whether you agree, or not! Of course, others might think something a bit more defensible would be for the cops to remain publicly neutral while in uniform and on duty so long as there is an active investigation and authorities (and/or perhaps a trial) are still sorting out the conflicting accounts. After all, if you changed your mind tomorrow, say some new evidence was uncovered, then the rightness or wrongness of the police would change.
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The police, of all people, should never be the instigators of unrest or violence. Ever. Doesn't matter if the underlying reasons are right or wrong, the action of instigating is always wrong.

The justice system, of which the police are an overall part in the sense that they're on the same side as the court system and those wanting to uphold civility and the law, should always portray an air of neutrality.
 
Excon said:
:doh
The DOJ is irrelevant as they do not dictate to the Policing agency.
They are neither out of control or saying "****you" to the people they are charged with to police.
That assertion is nothing but bs and comes from a convoluted mindset.


The letter that was sent can be found here.
Ferguson Police Department Investigation: Bracelets
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Carry on defending the indefensible if you will, but people may well question your motivation.
 
Manc Skipper said:
Carry on defending the indefensible if you will, but people may well question your motivation.
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iLOL :doh
Your position is the indefensible one.
 
shrubnose said:
The U.S. Justice Department asked the Ferguson, Missouri Police Department on Friday to order its officers not to wear bracelets in support of the white policeman who shot to death a black teenager last month, sparking protests.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-tells-ferguson-police-stop-wearing-bracelets-004135604.html35

I don't know what you think but it looks to me like it will be a long time before there's ever any peace in Ferguson, Missouri.

Basically what those cops are telling people is that they're going to do whatever they want to do.

I don't believe that's going to bring people together.

What do you think?
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I think I'll wait until all the evidence is made public before I pass judgment on either the officer or the deceased. Meanwhile, the police officers of Ferguson are free to express their views as they see fit.
 
JasperL said:
Excon said:
Wrong.
The individual/s wearing them actually demonstrate that they have fine judgement and support the correct side.
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So, as long as you agree with the police, wearing bracelets is fine. But if the police were supporting the wrong side, aka the side you disagree with, they'd be in the wrong.
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As you were already told.
CanadaJohn said:
You have a wonderful way of taking pretty clear language presented to you and then twisting it into a narrative you want to disparage. That's fine, but it's a dishonest way to conduct a discussion if that's what you wanted rather than a vehicle to rant.
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You should have payed attention to CanadaJohn.


As I did not intimate what you say I said, you again need to stop with the dishonesty.



JasperL said:
Of course, others might think something a bit more defensible would be for the cops to remain publicly neutral while in uniform and on duty so long as there is an active investigation and authorities (and/or perhaps a trial) are still sorting out the conflicting accounts. After all, if you changed your mind tomorrow, say some new evidence was uncovered, then the rightness or wrongness of the police would change.
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No, this is about the protestors taking offense. It is faux outrage, as the majority of their complaints are.
There is absolutely nothing wrong with Officers wearing such a bracelet.

Nor is there anything wrong with the Officers trying to protect themselves and family from protestor violence, as they can be identified through there badge number if there is any complaints that need to be made.
 
radcen said:
The police, of all people, should never be the instigators of unrest or violence. Ever. Doesn't matter if the underlying reasons are right or wrong, the action of instigating is always wrong.
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Holy ****! They are not instigating anything.
The faux outrage by the protestors is the problem here.


radcen said:
The justice system, of which the police are an overall part in the sense that they're on the same side as the court system and those wanting to uphold civility and the law, should always portray an air of neutrality.
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:doh
Just because they show support for a fellow Officer does not mean they are not impartial to the actions of protestors.
And secondly they should be showing a bias towards law enforcement, not neutrality or lawlessness.
 
Lursa said:
Is it on the job with their uniforms?

Then I understand what the dept is saying and the dept has the right to tell them what not to display while working.
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The department can't create policy, on the fly.
 
apdst said:
every cop on the FPD is a racist?
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That was the what you accused others of alleging.

The comment you quoted was about those officers wearing the bracelets. I don't think that's all of them, and the quote doesn't even allege that all of them wearing the bracelets, a subset of "every cop," is are racists, just a statement that those who are racists have that right.

So try again, and I know you can't find me making that allegation. I'm as sure as it's possible to be that not all the Ferguson PD are racists.
 
shrubnose said:
The U.S. Justice Department asked the Ferguson, Missouri Police Department on Friday to order its officers not to wear bracelets in support of the white policeman who shot to death a black teenager last month, sparking protests.

Read the article here: http://news.yahoo.com/justice-department-tells-ferguson-police-stop-wearing-bracelets-004135604.html35

I don't know what you think but it looks to me like it will be a long time before there's ever any peace in Ferguson, Missouri.

Basically what those cops are telling people is that they're going to do whatever they want to do.

I don't believe that's going to bring people together.

What do you think?
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I think the justice department should STFU. If people are free to support a possible scumbag who attacked a police officer then police are free to support someone who might have shot an innocent person.
 
jamesrage said:
I think the justice department should STFU.
If people are free to support a possible scumbag who attacked a police officer then police are free to support someone who might have shot an innocent person.
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People in the USA are free to do a lot of things. Not all of those things are good.
 
In what universe does shooting a black kid (guy) warrant a riot?

If a cop shot and killed me tomorrow would any of you progressives even care? hell no you wouldn't.... You would probably call that "social justice"...
 
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