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Video shows trooper shooting unarmed man, South Carolina police say

CRUE CAB said:
Guess you missed the part were he was given the medal of valor from his department a year ago.
Bet if you had been shot at before, you would be alittle jumpy too.
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Look, it's this simple: the cop's life is of little importance compared to the duties of his or her job. They've willingly joined the force to serve and protect their community and fellow citizens. Itchy trigger fingers, brutality, Constitutional violations... it is all becoming too common place. So unless a clear and present danger exists, the cop should have done nothing but issue orders like, "Let me see your hands," and not assume, "Hey, he might have a weapon, time to start shooting..." And if the man was "alittle (sic) jumpy," then why was he wearing a badge and carrying semi-automatic handguns? If he was afflicted, it shows even worse judgment, and not just on his part either. Glad to see that you're still defending the police regardless of the heinous bull**** they do on a daily basis.
 
APACHERAT said:
Stop shooting cops, the cops will stop shooting people.
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Dude... they're not employed to kill people, that's the military, and even then, there are strict rules of engagement. Police going willy nilly on American civilians should be condemned harshly and often. Imagine if that was a 16 year old white girl getting lit the **** up. Would you still be defending the police officer?
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I just wondered why the guy was shot at four times for doing what the police officer asked. No need to wonder anything else unless you wish to justify the shooting of an unarmed man following police orders.
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The general public needs to learn to exercise common sense when interacting with the police. Don't dart into a vehicle and grope for objects the officer cannot see because they are likely to assume to the worst. Do what the officer tells you, but do it in a smart way.
 
Napoleon said:
The general public needs to learn to exercise common sense when interacting with the police.
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I thought the public paid taxes to train police officers how to carry their jobs. Do we need training courses for people to be able to carry out normal activities without fear of being shot by the police?

Napoleon said:
Don't dart into a vehicle and grope for objects the officer cannot see because they are likely to assume to the worst. Do what the officer tells you, but do it in a smart way.
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With this particular police officer on this day, nothing would have been smart beyond not getting out of bed that morning.

We don't have routinely armed police officers in my country and this case is a good reason why. You should only have special response units that carry arms.
 
If that had been me driving that truck and my wallet was on my seat or in the center console, I believe I would have done the exact same thing when that cop asked me for my drivers licence.

I am someone who tends to side with law enforcement and give them the benifit of the doubt, but in this case the fault lies 100% with the police officer. Ordering him to get out of the car when he reached for his wallet I can understand, but popping off 3 shots when the guy was again, trying to comply with his directives is simply inexcusable.

As I said on the other thread, that cop needs to find himself a new career, because he obviously doesn't have what it takes to be in law enforcement.
 
Infinite Chaos said:
I thought the public paid taxes to train police officers how to carry their jobs. Do we need training courses for people to be able to carry out normal activities without fear of being shot by the police?
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Apparently we need training courses for people to use the cells in their brains. Don't start pummeling an officer's face in and expect to walk away. Don't leap toward an officer with a knife and expect to walk away. Don't run into a dark alley and stick your hands in your pants and expect to walk away. Don't point a gun at an officer and expect to walk away. Don't dart out of view of an officer and start grabbing for something he can't see and expect a Barney Fief response.
 
Napoleon said:
Apparently we need training courses for people to use the cells in their brains. Don't start pummeling an officer's face in and expect to walk away. Don't leap toward an officer with a knife and expect to walk away. Don't run into a dark alley and stick your hands in your pants and expect to walk away. Don't point a gun at an officer and expect to walk away. Don't dart out of view of an officer and start grabbing for something he can't see and expect a Barney Fief response.
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None of that has anything to do with what happened in the video.

Also, I happen to keep my driver's license in my left front pocket. If I had reached into my left front pocket I don't doubt he would have started shooting at me under the assumption that I was reaching for a weapon.
 
I think he should be charged.

You cannot just allow cops to shoot people for virtually no cause and just fire them for it.

What if he had permanently injured or even killed this person?

If cops can shoot people for little cause and legally get away with it, what would stop a cop from committing murder (assuming no connection to the victim could be proven).

Say a cop had a secret affair that he wanted out of, but the other person refused and threatened to go public. What is to stop the cop from pulling the person over during a 'routine' traffic stop and doing the same thing this cop did...but intentionally and he murders the victim?
They get away with murder and the cop just loses his/her job.

Sure, it's far fetched, but definitely possible.

Trigger happy cops who shoot first and ask questions later should be subject to discipline under the law and not just be fired when they go too far.

If cops don't like it, don't become cops.

It's an honorable profession, but it does not mean they can just shoot people whenever they get 'jumpy' and get away with it.
 
Napoleon said:
The general public needs to learn to exercise common sense when interacting with the police. Don't dart into a vehicle and grope for objects the officer cannot see because they are likely to assume to the worst.
Do what the officer tells you, but do it in a smart way.
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That's total bull****. This guy should never have been a cop.

If you can't do the job don't apply for it.
 
DA60 said:
I think he should be charged.
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You cannot just allow cops to shoot people for virtually no cause and just fire them for it.

What if he had permanently injured or even killed this person?

If cops can shoot people for little cause and legally get away with it, what would stop a cop from committing murder (assuming no connection to the victim could be proven).

Say a cop had a secret affair that he wanted out of, but the other person refused and threatened to go public. What is to stop the cop from pulling the person over during a 'routine' traffic stop and doing the same thing this cop did...but intentionally and he murders the victim?
They get away with murder and the cop just loses his/her job.

Sure, it's far fetched, but definitely possible.

Trigger happy cops who shoot first and ask questions later should be subject to discipline under the law and not just be fired when they go too far.

If cops don't like it, don't become cops.

It's an honorable profession, but it does not mean they can just shoot people whenever they get 'jumpy' and get away with it.
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I agree. This loser went way over the line and he needs to pay a heavy price for it.

No one forced him to become a cop.

He took on a job that he obviously can't do.
 
APACHERAT said:
Stop shooting cops, the cops will stop shooting people.
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When did this guy shoot a cop? Oh yeah, it's just your strawman. Fact is, whether you like it or not, cops are not justified shooting in this manner.
 
APACHERAT said:
So you are advocating PC ROE that Obama has forced upon our troops in Afghanistan that they can't shoot at the enemy until the enemy has already began shooting at you.
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The police force is not the military. I didn't think someone actually had to mention that to you, but apparently we do.

The victim was a ****ing idiot for going back into his car without telling the officer and waiting for the officer to acknowledge it.
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Yes, IMO, the victim was dumb. However, that doesn't give the cop the right to shoot someone. Sorry but even though you hate it, the police force is NOT the military in Afghanistan.

This just another MSM trying to start ****.
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No, it is a wrongful shooting plain and simple.

Why weren't any of the cop shootings of unarmed white boy incidents weren't covered ?
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What does that have to do with the wrongful shooting? More strawman from you is all.

How many of the below did CNN or MSNBC covered ?

Still over two more months left in the year.
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Irrelevent and more strawman from you. The media covereage does NOT excuse what the cop did. PERIOD.
 
Napoleon said:
The general public needs to learn to exercise common sense when interacting with the police. Don't dart into a vehicle and grope for objects the officer cannot see because they are likely to assume to the worst. Do what the officer tells you, but do it in a smart way.
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OK, great advice, but the burden is on cops with deadly weapons to exercise common sense with interacting with the public. If you're a trained officer, don't ask someone to get ID/registration and then shoot them when they do it.

Also, too, don't pull a BS stunt like stop someone for a seat belt infraction when all the driver did was move their car in the parking lot.
 
JasperL said:
Also, too, don't pull a BS stunt like stop someone for a seat belt infraction when all the driver did was move their car in the parking lot.
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I see why the cop would be concerned that the guy was reaching to grab a gun, but best make sure a gun is there before shooting.

Imagine how stupid the cop must feel... Not just for shooting the guy with no reason... but the only reason he was even engaged with the guy was over some seriously stupid seatbelt "violation". Betcha he wishes that he had never tried to write such a stupid ass ticket.
 
BBC News - Sean Groubert charged in shooting of Levar Jones

On Wednesday, prosecutors in Richland County, South Carolina, issued an arrest warrant charging Mr Groubert with assault and battery of a high and aggravated nature, a felony that carries up to 20 years in prison.

The filing says Mr Groubert shot Mr Jones "without justification", and cites the video recording as evidence.

He has been released on a $75,000 (£46,000) bond.

In Mr Groubert's case, the arrest warrant was issued less than three weeks after the shooting.
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Looks like they're actually going to charge him too, see if it goes to court. Pretty lenient charges given the nature of the crime, sure a citizen would be looking at attempted murder charges and all sorts of nice little additions. Still, better than our track record.
 
Ikari said:
Looks like they're actually going to charge him too, see if it goes to court. Pretty lenient charges given the nature of the crime, sure a citizen would be looking at attempted murder charges and all sorts of nice little additions. Still, better than our track record.
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Well they are going to have to charge, there is no choice. The guy would instantly sue the police department. Also, given the fact this officer was in a situation about a year ago, I'm sure there is also question on whether the police department should have cleared him for field duty.
 
TheNextEra said:
Well they are going to have to charge, there is no choice. The guy would instantly sue the police department. Also, given the fact this officer was in a situation about a year ago, I'm sure there is also question on whether the police department should have cleared him for field duty.
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Yeah, but we haven't been charging cops for say, shooting someone who picks up a pellet gun off the shelf at WalMart and is walking about with it. So I'm surprised that there were even charges brought in the first place. It's proper, police brutality and misuse of power must be swiftly and severely punished. An uncontrolled, military style police force is a much larger threat to all of us than terrorists could ever be. And we launch trillion dollar infinity wars for the terrorist part.
 
Finally saw the vid last night, bad shoot.
But I do stand by my comment that he was jumpy. You could hear it in his voice.
He also got off another round after the mans hands were up. He is going to special jail.
 
Jerry said:
Ever dive back into your car when a cop asks you for it?

In fact, ever get out of your car when pulled over?
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Sometimes my hubby will show me videos of his stops. Last week when he pulled a guy over,-the man got out of his car and approached my husband to talk. To me, I would have gotten nervous( but I wouldn't have shot). My husband handled it quite well and didn't see the need to shoot bc he was jumpy or scared. Can we at least come to the conclusion that there are good and bad cops everywhere? And it doesn't make you a cop hater if you point out one of their wrongs. Just bc the guy got out of the car doesn't mean he was guilty of anything or deserved to be shot at.
 
APACHERAT said:
So you are advocating PC ROE that Obama has forced upon our troops in Afghanistan that they can't shoot at the enemy until the enemy has already began shooting at you.

The victim was a ****ing idiot for going back into his car without telling the officer and waiting for the officer to acknowledge it.

This just another MSM trying to start ****.

Why weren't any of the cop shootings of unarmed white boy incidents weren't covered ?

How many of the below did CNN or MSNBC covered ?

Still over two more months left in the year.

Law Enforcement Line of Duty Deaths in 2014
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Rigghhhhtttt. It's the guy who got shot who's the idiot.... He should have read the "How to be a Good Citizen" manual or something.

1) When the police say, "Jump" - do not just jump! First you must ask permission to jump. Then ask "How high, sir, and what form should that jump take?"
 
CRUE CAB said:
He didn't kill the guy. He would be killed in jail. Most cops go to jails under assumed names away from the area they were charged.
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But no one is concerned with throwing other undesirables into places they know will get them killed. So why should these criminals be treated any differently?
 
Hicup said:
This one unlike the other one was clear cut that the cop was in the wrong. the cop should be charged and jailed.

Tim-
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The only difference between this one and the other is that this was caught on camera. If that camera wasn't there the cop could have easily said that the man launch at him and the case would have got dismiss with no one questioning the cop.
 
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