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Tony Stewart Won’t Face Criminal Charges in Death of Kevin Ward Jr.

countryboy said:
Redneck posturing aside, that's beside the point. I am questioning the science behind the DAs statement. Actually, I was hoping an accurate test had been developed that I was unaware of. But at this point I've seen no evidence of it.
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So I am a redneck because I drag raced? Hmmm, funny coming from a poser called "countryboy".
 
CRUE CAB said:
Because the pot apologists just cant handle that the kid was a smoker and did something stupid.
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Well, I'm a pot apologist, depending on your definition (I smoke pot with my husband & some of our friends).

But I'm also a realist. I don't smoke before driving somewhere, and I understand that if I get caught and tested, I'm screwed. Countryboy seems to take issue with the DUI laws. Not relevant to this thread at all.
 
tres borrachos said:
So you think everyone in this country who is charged with driving under the influence of drugs can just say "screw you", and the judge says "okay"? Interesting.
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I never said that. Perhaps you missed my statement saying I was hoping an accurate test had been developed to determine marijuana intoxication.

I'm a weed smoker myself, an advocate of making pot legal, and have posted those very statements at least 100 times on this board. You should probably know something about the poster before you accuse him/her of something that isn't true.
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We are on the same side. I was merely asking a question. I apologize for my tone, it was a bit snarky. Can we start over? We seem to be in agreement on most subjects, no sense in dividing over a misunderstanding.
 
tres borrachos said:
Well, I'm a pot apologist, depending on your definition (I smoke pot with my husband & some of our friends).

But I'm also a realist. I don't smoke before driving somewhere, and I understand that if I get caught and tested, I'm screwed. Countryboy seems to take issue with the DUI laws. Not relevant to this thread at all.
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Sanctioning racing bodies also have drinking and drug rules. Had he just been injured and lived, he would have been suspended and maybe banned from the track for testing positive.
 
Jack Fabulous said:
You should have kept reading.

Also from the same link...



What I said was 100% accurate. A blood test, like the one given to Ward post mortem, can determine if the person is currently under the influence. Why are you having such a hard time grasping this?
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Thanks, I was under the impression no such test existed. Point conceded.
 
CRUE CAB said:
So I am a redneck because I drag raced? Hmmm, funny coming from a poser called "countryboy".
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You're right, sorry about the redneck comment. Totally out of line.
 
tres borrachos said:
Well, I'm a pot apologist, depending on your definition (I smoke pot with my husband & some of our friends).

But I'm also a realist. I don't smoke before driving somewhere, and I understand that if I get caught and tested, I'm screwed. Countryboy seems to take issue with the DUI laws. Not relevant to this thread at all.
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Holy crap, you're a girl? Sorry ma'am.

I am not an advocate of driving under the influence. I was unaware an accurate test for current levels of marijuana intoxication had been developed. I am pro legalization.

Apologies all around. I got a little defensive. I just came from a board that had a lot of advocates for locking up pot users. One even favored China's policy, and thought marijuana smokers should be executed.
 
countryboy said:
I never said that. Perhaps you missed my statement saying I was hoping an accurate test had been developed to determine marijuana intoxication.


We are on the same side. I was merely asking a question. I apologize for my tone, it was a bit snarky. Can we start over? We seem to be in agreement on most subjects, no sense in dividing over a misunderstanding.
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I'm always for improving technology, but I'm just saying why the DA said he was "under the influence".
 
countryboy said:
Holy crap, you're a girl? Sorry ma'am.

I am not an advocate of driving under the influence. I was unaware an accurate test for current levels of marijuana intoxication had been developed. I am pro legalization.

Apologies all around. I got a little defensive. I just came from a board that had a lot of advocates for locking up pot users. One even favored China's policy, and thought marijuana smokers should be executed.
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Yup I'm a girl.:mrgreen: No worries, happens to me all the time.

I think you will find more people like you & me on here than vehement opposers to making pot legal. That's just my observation.
 
CRUE CAB said:
Sanctioning racing bodies also have drinking and drug rules. Had he just been injured and lived, he would have been suspended and maybe banned from the track for testing positive.
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Correct, and there would possibly even be a state law application to driving on the track. I don't know much about NASCAR or other racing, but I think them especially should have regs in place to ensure safety.

Look, I smoke, and I can assure you, when I smoke, it's not a good idea for me to sit behind the wheel of my car. I am most definitely impaired. Luckily all I want to do when I smoke is eat Marshmallow Fluff and giggle at everything.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup I'm a girl.:mrgreen: No worries, happens to me all the time.

I think you will find more people like you & me on here than vehement opposers to making pot legal. That's just my observation.
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What a dope (pun fully intended), I didn't see the gender indicator directly under your avatar. A cool feature actually.
 
tres borrachos said:
Yup I'm a girl.:mrgreen: No worries, happens to me all the time.

I think you will find more people like you & me on here than vehement opposers to making pot legal. That's just my observation.
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Yeah, it's almost eerie how silent the anti-marijuana folks are on here now. Alot has changed in the last few years....
 
countryboy said:
What a dope (pun fully intended), I didn't see the gender indicator directly under your avatar. A cool feature actually.
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When dumb asses attack a post of mine and call me "dude" or "bro" I point out their idiocy for not noticing the little pink thing under my user name. I don't think you're a dumb ass which is why I wasn't snarky to you.
 
TeleKat said:
Yeah, it's almost eerie how silent the anti-marijuana folks are on here now. Alot has changed in the last few years....
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Another reason I stay out of the CT and religion forums (and even the ME forum). I think some vehement anti-pot people pop up in those dark places.;)
 
tres borrachos said:
When dumb asses attack a post of mine and call me "dude" or "bro" I point out their idiocy for not noticing the little pink thing under my user name. I don't think you're a dumb ass which is why I wasn't snarky to you.
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My mouth appears to be about a size 10.
 
countryboy said:
Thanks, I was under the impression no such test existed. Point conceded.
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No problem.

As someone that has smoked more than my fair share of weed in my life the idea of people racing, especially sprint cars,(these cars are WICKED powerful) while high is kind of troubling.
 
CRUE CAB said:
It hard to tell if its enforceable. But most tracks have you sign a release once you enter.
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I'd be interested to know if such a release holds harmless other participants who signed a release. I would think the release is to hold harmless the track. I don't know how races operate. That said, I do believe that someone is going to get sued.
 
rocket88 said:
That's nice, but it wouldn't actually change anything Stewart did.

The right decision was probably made about charging Stewart, but Ward being high or not had nothing to do with Stewart's actions.
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It likely did have something to do with Ward's actions. Nobody should have pot in their system when driving a race car.
 
rocket88 said:
That's nice, but it wouldn't actually change anything Stewart did.

The right decision was probably made about charging Stewart, but Ward being high or not had nothing to do with Stewart's actions.
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I don't believe he implied any of that, Rocket.

The more interesting point is this may explain Ward's actions. Not sure if it does, but it certainly plays into the discussion.
 
countryboy said:
As I said, there is no test which can measure that. Look it up.
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No but they drug test randomly in racing. It is a banned substance and any amount can cause him to be banned for life. Also, they can go after you for "reasonable suspicion."

"NASCAR, Aukerman and Aegis have the ability to test whomever they want based on a list of reasons spelled out in the rulebook. That list includes everything from prior arrest record to aroma to "behaviors generally understood to accompany the use of prohibited substances" -- i.e. slurred speech, mental confusion, mood swings, etc."


NASCAR's substance abuse policy at a glance - ESPN
 
One good thing came out of this tragedy. Nascar has implemented a new rule. No driver is permitted to exit his car after a crash until the emergency response crews arrive...unless the car is on fire. And no driver exiting his car after a crash is allowed to walk back into traffic.
 
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