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Algerian extremists behead French hostage

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Algerian extremists behead French hostage

RABAT, Morocco (AP) — Algerian extremists allied with the Islamic State group have decapitated a French hostage after France ignored their demand to stop airstrikes in Iraq, according to a video obtained Wednesday by a U.S.-based terrorism watchdog.

A group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah, or Soldiers of the Caliphate, had said they would kill French mountaineer Herve Gourdel after abducting him Sunday unless France ended its airstrikes against Islamic State fighters in Iraq within 24 hours.

The French government insisted it would not back down.

In the video, masked gunmen from the newly formed group that split away from al-Qaida's North Africa branch, pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and said they were fighting his enemies.



So, is there any doubt, the war has begun?
 
It's not a war; we're just dropping bombs on people.

war
wôr/
noun
noun: war; plural noun: wars

1.
a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

I mean, if you look at the definition, clearly dropping bombs doesn't...wait, well, forget the definition. As long as we don't call it a war it is not actually a war. Just because things are blowing up and people are dying it doesn't mean it is an act of war. Duh...
 
Algerian extremists behead French hostage

RABAT, Morocco (AP) — Algerian extremists allied with the Islamic State group have decapitated a French hostage after France ignored their demand to stop airstrikes in Iraq, according to a video obtained Wednesday by a U.S.-based terrorism watchdog.

A group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah, or Soldiers of the Caliphate, had said they would kill French mountaineer Herve Gourdel after abducting him Sunday unless France ended its airstrikes against Islamic State fighters in Iraq within 24 hours.

The French government insisted it would not back down.

In the video, masked gunmen from the newly formed group that split away from al-Qaida's North Africa branch, pledged their allegiance to the leader of the Islamic State group, Abu Bakr al-Baghdadi, and said they were fighting his enemies.



So, is there any doubt, the war has begun?

I think the idea that we're going to contain this threat is seriously flawed, and this news shows just one reason why containment isn't a viable option.
 
I think the idea that we're going to contain this threat is seriously flawed, and this news shows just one reason why containment isn't a viable option.

I'm with you my friend. Interesting days ahead... :alert
 
They didn't give the French much time from their Ultimatum Sunday. Which is when ISIS called for US and French citizens to be killed. These pukes moved out Right away.

Also ISIS put out a video calling on all Lone Wolves to go after US Military.....to find out where our people live. Then kill them and their families in their homes.

So far the Air Strikes have not taken out their communications.

It has our people thinking and issuing a Bulletin out to all Law Enforcement.

http://www.debatepolitics.com/break...d-warns-isis-retaliation-us-sympathizers.html
 
I think the idea that we're going to contain this threat is seriously flawed,
please explain why you have arrived at this conclusion
... and this news shows just one reason why containment isn't a viable option.
why is this murder one reason why containment isn't a viable option?


for extra credit, share with us what approach IS found a viable option to overcome the isis forces
 
I think the idea that we're going to contain this threat is seriously flawed, and this news shows just one reason why containment isn't a viable option.

The probable goal is not 100% containement. Rather, the goal is to prevent the establishement of another quasi state dedicated to Jihad ideaology (ala Taliban part of Afghanistan).

The prevention of such a state would limit the ability of the terrorists to openly recruit, screen and train thousands of jihadist volunteers for attacks against the West like 9-11.
 
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please explain why you have arrived at this conclusion

Because radical Islam has become a nearly global movement. Take a good look at the globe, and pick the few countries where it hasn't had any affect.

why is this murder one reason why containment isn't a viable option?

Because of the above.


for extra credit, share with us what approach IS found a viable option to overcome the isis forces

I let this one slide right this second. We did receive some indication from our military at the outset that a more robust response was necessary. They were over-ruled.
 
The probable goal is not 100% containement. Rather, the goal is to prevent the establishemnt of another quasi state dedicated to Jihad ideaology (ala Taliban part of Afghanistan).

The prevention of such a state would limit the ability of the terrorists to openly recruit, screen and train thousands of jihadist volunteers for attacks against the West like 9-11.
It seems to me that these people being all together, in one area(State) would be preferable to the fragmented cells that seem to exist now in every nook and cranny of the globe. It's almost like opening up the seed pod and watching the seeds be carried off and scattered by the wind. Sure, the pod is destroyed but what happens with the seeds when they land and take root?
 
Because radical Islam has become a nearly global movement. Take a good look at the globe, and pick the few countries where it hasn't had any affect.
only in some portions of the middle east, where governments are unable to maintain in control, are tribes able to flourish
this is hardly an ideology that has spread globally

Because of the above.
since you were in error above, then this is in error, too

I let this one slide right this second.
that's might white of you [/sarcasm for those who need the indicator]

We did receive some indication from our military at the outset that a more robust response was necessary. They were over-ruled.
share links with us which will substantiate your assertion
 
The probable goal is not 100% containement. Rather, the goal is to prevent the establishement of another quasi state dedicated to Jihad ideaology (ala Taliban part of Afghanistan).

I understand that this is the desired outcome, but the reality is that Afghanistan will likely be an option again soon, as well as Libya, Lebanon, Yemen, and other third world countries in that region.

The prevention of such a state would limit the ability of the terrorists to openly recruit, screen and train thousands of jihadist volunteers for attacks against the West like 9-11.

ISIL is hardly a functioning government now, unless we consider war the only valuable function government can provide, and they haven't had trouble recruiting in the past, it seems. I agree that prevention is far better than the cure, but how many places are we going to police? How many times are we going to knock the Islamists back? We cannot build a wall around the west.
 
only in some portions of the middle east, where governments are unable to maintain in control, are tribes able to flourish
this is hardly an ideology that has spread globally


since you were in error above, then this is in error, too


that's might white of you [/sarcasm for those who need the indicator]


share links with us which will substantiate your assertion


ISIL's tentacles creep into Indonesia

Australian police thwart ISIL beheading plot

I could go on.

Since you are in so much error, any further time spent is rather pointless.
 
only in some portions of the middle east, where governments are unable to maintain in control, are tribes able to flourish
this is hardly an ideology that has spread globally

The US, China, Russia, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Indonesia, India, Australia, all of northern Africa, Pakistan, Malaysia, have all suffered attacks, just to name some. It seems that most of South American and Antarctica have missed out on the fun. Kinda sounds like World War II.

share links with us which will substantiate your assertion

You can Google it yourself. I'm sure you'll find something.
 
The US, China, Russia, Germany, France, Spain, Italy, Indonesia, India, Australia, all of northern Africa, Pakistan, Malaysia, have all suffered attacks, just to name some. It seems that most of South American and Antarctica have missed out on the fun. Kinda sounds like World War II.



You can Google it yourself. I'm sure you'll find something.

yea, yea
isis is everywhere
be scared
 
It's not a war; we're just dropping bombs on people.

war
wôr/
noun
noun: war; plural noun: wars

1.
a state of armed conflict between different nations or states or different groups within a nation or state.

I mean, if you look at the definition, clearly dropping bombs doesn't...wait, well, forget the definition. As long as we don't call it a war it is not actually a war. Just because things are blowing up and people are dying it doesn't mean it is an act of war. Duh...

How about military conflict between a state and groups within failed nations and other states?
 
ISIL is hardly a functioning government now, unless we consider war the only valuable function government can provide, and they haven't had trouble recruiting in the past, it seems.


Sadly, ISIS is becoming a functioning government in the areas they control. In addition to just beheading and Jihad chanting, ISIS is exporting oil, collecting taxes, establishing a "justice" system, and creating and enforcing a slew of commerical regulations. As they have control over the Mosul Airport, they can also directly accept recruits (providing anybody still flies into Mosul)

All this aside, the quasi State status that ISIS enjoys allows them to recruit, screen and train fighters by the thousands- not in groups of say 3-30. This gives them a far larger "talent" pool and a far greater ability to identify dedicated, intelligent recruits and then match them to demanding missions (9-11).


It seems to me that these people being all together, in one area(State) would be preferable to the fragmented cells that seem to exist now in every nook and cranny of the globe. It's almost like opening up the seed pod and watching the seeds be carried off and scattered by the wind. Sure, the pod is destroyed but what happens with the seeds when they land and take root?
I disagree-

For seeds to turn into weeds, sometines they needs to be planted in large quantities (critical mass) in "good" soil. As the plants grow, they shelter each other from the sun and the wind. Due to their numbers, they can be hard to uproot.

Meanwhile, small groups of seeds cannot support each other and may never reach critical mass to ensure a thriving colony. As they are small in number and the soil is of varying quality, the weeds can be dug up more easily.

In short, the concequences of allowing a semi official Jihad state to openly recruit, train and sreen for "talent" people by the thousands is far worse potentially than isolated bands of jihaders trying to recruiting and screening for "talented" people by the dozen.
 
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Sadly, ISIS is becoming a functioning government in the areas they control. In addition to just beheading and Jihad chanting, ISIS is exporting oil, collecting taxes, establishing a "justice" system, and creating and enforcing a slew of commerical regulations. As they have control over the Mosul Airport, they can also directly accept recruits (providing anybody still flies into Mosul)

I agree, but the key word in the above is "becoming". The Taliban had a "functioning" government for a number of years before 9/11. And yet ISIS has already managed the following:

Some Americans who joined ISIS have returned to U.S., officials say - NY Daily News

Note that they estimate about 100, and without a functioning government of note backing them.

All this aside, the quasi State status that ISIS enjoys allows them to recruit, screen and train fighters by the thousands- not in groups of say 3-30. This gives them a far larger "talent" pool and a far greater ability to identify dedicated, intelligent recruits and then match them to demanding missions (9-11).

I don't disagree on that potential for them, and I hope an air campaign will be sufficient to prevent that potential from being realized. It will be necessary to retake the Iraqi territory and hold it with ground troops however. Exactly where those troops will come from remains to be seen. I am honestly pleased the president stepped up and recognized the threat, however reluctantly. On the other hand, I will not endorse something that looks a lot like endless, low level war and all the restrictions that come with it.
 
Sadly, ISIS is becoming a functioning government in the areas they control. In addition to just beheading and Jihad chanting, ISIS is exporting oil, collecting taxes, establishing a "justice" system, and creating and enforcing a slew of commerical regulations. As they have control over the Mosul Airport, they can also directly accept recruits (providing anybody still flies into Mosul)

All this aside, the quasi State status that ISIS enjoys allows them to recruit, screen and train fighters by the thousands- not in groups of say 3-30. This gives them a far larger "talent" pool and a far greater ability to identify dedicated, intelligent recruits and then match them to demanding missions (9-11).



I disagree-

For seeds to turn into weeds, sometines they needs to be planted in large quantities (critical mass) in "good" soil. As the plants grow, they shelter each other from the sun and the wind. Due to their numbers, they can be hard to uproot.

Meanwhile, small groups of seeds cannot support each other and may never reach critical mass to ensure a thriving colony. As they are small in number and the soil is of varying quality, the weeds can be dug up more easily.

In short, the concequences of allowing a semi official Jihad state to openly recruit, train and sreen for "talent" people by the thousands is far worse potentially than isolated bands of jihaders trying to recruiting and screening for "talented" people by the dozen.


Heya Cryptic. :2wave: And that doesn't count them sending out 30-40 Suicide Bombers a week.
 
-- A group calling itself Jund al-Khilafah, or Soldiers of the Caliphate, had said they would kill French mountaineer Herve Gourdel after abducting him Sunday unless France ended its airstrikes against Islamic State fighters in Iraq within 24 hours.

Very sad news, Herve Gourdel was an innocent who loved mountaineering and the art of photography and was following his passion. My condolences to his family.
 
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