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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

I am not accusing you of anything. I am trying to have a conservation with you, but you seem to be shutting down the possibility. I have no clue if we agree or disagree... :shrug:


I don't know that the school system in question isn't teaching the Constitution. Nobody has put their full agenda up to see.

Can't help you with the issue of the small government conservatives under the Bush administration. You need to ask them.
 
I am not accusing you of anything. I am trying to have a conservation with you, but you seem to be shutting down the possibility. I have no clue if we agree or disagree... :shrug:

Well, considering you keep bringing up the Bush administration and conservatives, I have no idea who you're posting to, since I mentioned neither.
 
Your responses aren't really responses. Do you think respect for authority should be taught in schools or not?

I am confused why you quoted me, questioned me, but keep making closed statements with no insight to your beliefs. Usually when people quote and question you, they want a conversation. What are your opinions?



That's nice. Why don't you post this to conservatives and people who don't support Obama's military actions right now.
 
So, before the Federal government was involved we didn't educate our children? Take a good look at common core, and tell me that their involvement helps anything?

When was federal government not involved? In the colonies were burned women alive. They still have witch hunts in Africa where people blame disease and natural destruction on witches. Women are murdered in Africa and hacked up with machetes.

We should have education in America. We need to study and understand what causes disease, earthquakes, etc.
 
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The act of instilling a sense of national pride is in fact... indoctrination.

No it isn't... Political indoctrination is what's been going on in our schools for at least the last 40 years. They have been slowly removing the things in Americas history that made us great and set us apart from the rest of the world, and filling the gaps with the darker, more controversial episodes in our past with little in the way of balance and context.

The focus has seemed to shift away from things like being the worlds #1 force for good when evil rears it's ugly head, for being the most charitable nation on earth, the first in line to offer money, food, medicine, supplies and man power when disaster strikes, and for having a military that has fought and died for the freedom of more people that it didn't even know, than every army, in every nations on the planet combined. Kids used to be taught that we are a nation that acts with good intentions, but isn't perfect and occasionally makes mistakes, to a nation with a history of mistakes who's motives are sometimes suspect... A nation that will sometimes do the wrong thing, but for the right reasons, to a country that's simply done wrong things.

Indoctrination is when kids are taught history from a one sided perspective. The proposals put forth by that school board are not only designed to insure that our children don't learn anti-social and violent behavior, but rather how to act in a civilized manner, to respect the rights of others, respect law enforcement and to show respect for authority... but also to insure that they are taught history from a factual, balanced, non-political, non-opinionated perspective, and learn all the things in our history that made this nation great, that over the last several decades have slowly disappeared from our children's history books.

Teaching our children the history that made America great and instilling in them the same pride and patriotism that was felt by my father and grandfather, would be the greatest gift we could give to our children, and would help to insure that America survives another 238 years. It's such a huge part of what made the American workforce the most industrious in the world, and gave us the determination needed both in Europe and here at home, to defeat Hitler and free 10's of millions of people in WWII. You may not see it, or maybe you fail to realize it, but with a loss of pride and patriotism, comes a loss of value and caring. People won't go the extra mile, make sacrifices and do what is necessary to preserve something that holds little value to them. If you don't believe me, then it's time to open your eyes right now and take a good, hard look at the people both in our society and in our government. There sure aren't many who are doing a lot of sacrificing, or going the extra mile for the country these days. Everyone is out for themselves and their own personal agendas, and you know as well as I do that we are slowly coming apart at the seams.

Indoctrination indeed...
 
Your responses aren't really responses. Do you think respect for authority should be taught in schools or not?

I am confused why you quoted me, questioned me, but keep making closed statements with no insight to your beliefs. Usually when people quote and question you, they want a conversation. What are your opinions?

Your first post which I quoted said this:

Why are conservatives trying to teach respect of authority and patriotism when they are anti government?

I have noticed that they obey and follow authority and government leadership when it's conservative. For example, I remember Fox News screaming at Bush Admin protestors as being "unAmerican." But if you're antigovernment or small government, shouldn't you be critical of all forms of government? It doesn't make sense to me.

I suspect the patriotism crap they hope to teach is anti-immigrant or "real America" indoctrination too. BS.


You don't seem to understand that true conservatives want small government, which is not the same thing as "anti-government". Someone who is anti-government is an anarchists, and conservatives aren't anarchists.

You also refer to patriotism as "crap". Do you think people should be taught that the United States is a bad country? It isn't. Try living in Somalia for a while, or Israel, or Colombia, or Zimbabwe. Nothing wrong with teaching kids that this is a good country. My children are the descendants of immigrants who came here for a better life - and found it.

The actions of our military right now have no bearing on this discussion. The kids here who protested in all likelihood have no idea what they are protesting about. I'm also going to venture a guess that the adults posting in support of the high schoolers also have no idea what's being protested. Nobody has seen any detailed agenda.
 
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Labor dispute going on? Matter of time? Huh?

One more time. The Boston Massacre started because a British guard hit a colonist over the head with a musket. It wasn't a civil protest, and it wasn't non-violent.

Never disagreed with any of that.

For a third time:

From The Boston Massacre Historical Society

http://www.bostonmassacre.net/academic/essay2.htm

There are three major things that led to the Boston Massacre: First was the growing mistrust among the British soldiers and Americans. There were a number of other incidents were the British clashed with the patriots and their supporters. Individual soldiers were beaten on street corners and soldiers abused unarmed civilians. In all the Americans in Boston made it clear that the British soldiers were unwanted. The second reason is somewhat odd. The removal of two out of four regiments meant there were to inadequate amounts of soldiers to keep the peace. There were enough on the other hand to remind the patriots of the great British military. The last reason would be the revolt of the Townshend Acts. The patriots and Americans did not agree and strife with the British soldiers over it. The Act built tension between the two.

On March 5, 1770 the dreadful day came. A mob of people went in front of the Customs Office in Boston Massachusetts and started to throw stuff and give insults at the soldiers. As a result to this so-called harassment the soldiers fired on the crowd. The first to die was an African-Amercan man named Crispus Attucks. He was a native of Frainghan, Massachusetts. He escaped from slavery in 1750 and had become a sailor. Crispus Attucks is considered the first martyr of the American Independence. The four others who died were Samuel gray, a rope maker; James Caldwell, a sailor; Samuel Maverick, a seventeen year old apprentice and Patrick Carr, a leather worker and Irish immigrant. All in which were unarmed and brutally murdered.

The four were part of a labor dispute as I’ve already shown you. Knowing the situation, it was just a matter of time

Now, tell me again that I don’t know what I’m talking about.
 
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When was federal government not involved? In the colonies were burned women alive. They still have witch hunts in Africa where people blame disease and natural destruction on witches. Women are murdered in Africa and hacked up with machetes.

We should have education in America. We need to study and understand what causes disease, earthquakes, etc.

"A previous Department of Education was created in 1867 but was soon demoted to an Office in 1868.[3][4] As an agency not represented in the president's cabinet, it quickly became a relatively minor bureau in the Department of the Interior. In 1939, the bureau was transferred to the Federal Security Agency, where it was renamed the Office of Education. In 1953, the Federal Security Agency was upgraded to cabinet-level status as the Department of Health, Education, and Welfare.
In 1979, President Carter advocated for creating a cabinet-level Department of Education.[5]"

United States Department of Education - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Before Carter, it was a minor part in American Education....Now look what they have become in 30 short years.

And I don't believe that we will stop educating our youth should the responsibility be turned over to the states, or even the local communities.
 
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Never disagreed with any of that.

Sure you did, your post #328 in this thread:

Well, Bunker Hill started as a civil protest didn't it.

This of course was before you realized that you thought you were talking about the Boston Massacre.
 
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Sure you did, your post #328 in this thread:

Well, Bunker Hill started as a civil protest didn't it.

This of course was before you realized that you thought you were talking about the Boston Massacre.

Don't be obtuse.
 
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Don't be obtuse.

I'm anything but obtuse when it comes to your posts. Your posts are all over the place and filled with falsehoods. Every time I point one out to you, you change up and pretend it's what you meant all along.
 
That is kind of true of adults as well. I know many people who want a chance to protest as an excuse to miss work or as an "F you" to the powers of society. Protest tends to be more emotionally guided than intellectually guided. A few intellectual leaders usually tend to rise to become the voices and spokesman of the movement and the rest will parrot their words and talking points.

Grade schoolers protest homework, lunch, dress-code, shortened recess....not curricula. Grade schoolers could give a **** about the acidemics because they'd just assume not go to school at all.

I smell a rat.
 
Grade schoolers protest homework, lunch, dress-code, shortened recess....not curricula. Grade schoolers could give a **** about the acidemics because they'd just assume not go to school at all.I smell a rat.
They should make their millions now while they still know everything.
 
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If there is bias and control over curriculum in public schools, do you really think for one minute that a Koch funded private school would not also provide a certain bias? At least with public schools there is some public involvement in who is on the school board and who sets the standards.

The idea of removing public schools and replacing them with privately funded schools scares me for many reasons. The same reasons private jails scare me. When a profit motive is set, it creates incentives that in many cases, hurt those they are trying to serve.
 
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I'm anything but obtuse when it comes to your posts. Your posts are all over the place and filled with falsehoods. Every time I point one out to you, you change up and pretend it's what you meant all along.

No; my posts are very consistent and factually sourced. YOU keep jumping around trying to be right.

Get a grip and read a book.
 
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No; my posts are very consistent and factually sourced. YOU keep jumping around trying to be right.

Get a grip and read a book.

Bunker Hill was a civil protest. No. Boston Massacre was a labor dispute. No.

Sorry, no facts in your posts. I don't need to read any books.
 
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If there is bias and control over curriculum in public schools, do you really think for one minute that a Koch funded private school would not also provide a certain bias? At least with public schools there is some public involvement in who is on the school board and who sets the standards.

The idea of removing public schools and replacing them with privately funded schools scares me for many reasons. The same reasons private jails scare me. When a profit motive is set, it creates incentives that in many cases, hurt those they are trying to serve.

What the? We have private schools now....Our President sends his kids to one of them.
 
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No it isn't... Political indoctrination is what's been going on in our schools for at least the last 40 years. They have been slowly removing the things in Americas history that made us great and set us apart from the rest of the world, and filling the gaps with the darker, more controversial episodes in our past with little in the way of balance and context.

Like what exactly?

I ask because I don't believe that's true. In fact, I believe opposite is true. The simple fact that Columbus is celebrated is evidence of this.
 
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If there is bias and control over curriculum in public schools, do you really think for one minute that a Koch funded private school would not also provide a certain bias?
What sort of bias? Can you be specific?

At least with public schools there is some public involvement in who is on the school board and who sets the standards.
Then why are these protests happening when the involvement begins?

The idea of removing public schools and replacing them with privately funded schools scares me for many reasons. The same reasons private jails scare me. When a profit motive is set, it creates incentives that in many cases, hurt those they are trying to serve.
The profit motive encourages everyone to do a better job. Volunteerism is great in certain areas but unreliable in sustaining an entire economy.
 
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What sort of bias? Can you be specific?

Then why are these protests happening when the involvement begins?

The profit motive encourages everyone to do a better job. Volunteerism is great in certain areas but unreliable in sustaining an entire economy.

Examples, sure:
The Koch Brothers And The Battle Over Integration In Wake County's Schools

Seriously I didn't think I needed too, but here: Let me google that for you

Are you saying that the public have no influence on school curriculum?

And profit motive also gives incentives to cut costs and create profit margin. The kids would suffer.
 
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A Koch Brothers funded private school would be even more dangerous.


I had no idea they were investing so heavily in local school board elections on different sides of the country. That's very scary.
 
Grade schoolers protest homework, lunch, dress-code, shortened recess....not curricula. Grade schoolers could give a **** about the acidemics because they'd just assume not go to school at all.

I smell a rat.

These are AP High School students and these students care more about their education than you claim

Then why are these protests happening when the involvement begins?

Because the review panel this school board set up has no community involvement. They picked its' members in a secret meeting without any input from the community and made rules that give it the power to over rule the curriculum review committee that the school district has already set up
 
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