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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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Navy Pride said:
Respectfully disagree......There are other ways to do this......Kids should go back to class.
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Really? What? Now they have national attention and the school board is forced to explain and justify their ideas. And it's peaceful.

The kids are learning plenty during this.
 
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jmotivator said:
These children are self absorbed idiots.

I don't blame them though. Their parents are probably even more self absorbed idiots, so it isn't like the kids had a chance.
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The teachers are objecting too.

(Just the stupid Liberal ones, right? /sarcasm)
 
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Luftwaffe said:
Gee, because reservations are just lovely places to be in with all that alcohol abuse, sex abuse, and poverty and ****ty land and what-not! We were so nice to them!

No one said the Native Americans were saints, that still ain't an excuse for what happened to them all after the Europeans came here.
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Please don't disrespect the Natives---I'm 1/32nd Native myself.

No many of the Native Reservations are not Disneyland, but even those who gorge themselves on KFC chicken are living much longer than they did back before 500 years ago. As most died by age 30. An extremely hard life for anyone.

But I hold Native Americans to same moral standards as the Mongols, the Shoguns, the Vikings and everyone else.
 
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sangha said:
I have already posted a quote from the school board member who objects to the teaching of slavery

It is either naive or dishonest to claim there isn't a political agenda at work here.
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That is a lie...

This is what the resolution actually says:

Review criteria shall include the following: instructional materials should present the most current factual information accurately and objectively. Theories should be distinguished from fact. Materials should promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free enterprise system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights. Materials should not encourage or condone civil disorder, social strife or disregard of the law. Instructional materials should present positive aspects of the United States and its heritage. Content pertaining to political and social movements in history should present balanced and factual treatment of the positions.
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What exactly do you find objectionable about that?
 
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jet57 said:
Uh, Tyron G. Parks would be exactly right. Thanks for confirming that the right-wing has no business in education.
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This nation's foundation wasn't "built on civil protests". What do you consider to be the foundation of this nation?
 
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Flamethrower said:
Please don't disrespect the Natives---I'm 1/32nd Native myself.

No many of the Native Reservations are not Disneyland, but even those who gorge themselves on KFC chicken are living much longer than they did back before 500 years ago. As most died by age 30. An extremely hard life for anyone.

But I hold Native Americans to same moral standards as the Mongols, the Shoguns, the Vikings and everyone else.
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"1/32"

I'm 25%

Quite frankly, I can give a **** how much Native American you are. You implied reservations are wonderful places (we were so nice to them after we conquered them! Look we gave em reservations!) when in reality they're rotten ****holes.

EDIT

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indian_reservation#Controversy

Take with some salt, but having been to these reservations I can with confidence, say much of this is true.
 
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Lursa said:
Really? What? Now they have national attention and the school board is forced to explain and justify their ideas. And it's peaceful.

The kids are learning plenty during this.
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most issues are best fought with intellect rather than waiving signs everywhere, but I do agree that for this particular situation they went about it perectly.
 
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Lursa said:
Really? What? Now they have national attention and the school board is forced to explain and justify their ideas. And it's peaceful.

The kids are learning plenty during this.
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Truthfully, however, this could violate anti-truancy policies. I think that should be heeded.

The relative lenience from school officials was probably more of a blessing for students.
 
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tres borrachos said:
This nation's foundation wasn't "built on civil protests". What do you consider to be the foundation of this nation?
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Run gun, sell drugs, nail sluts and **** the law.


hahaha
 
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sangha said:
I have already posted a quote from the school board member who objects to the teaching of slavery

It is either naive or dishonest to claim there isn't a political agenda at work here.
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Just to substanciate calling your claim a "lie", here's what the article says about what that school board member said:

She said she’s not trying to eliminate the facts of U.S. history but shares the concerns conservatives nationally have outlined – that AP History casts some parts of history in a negative light, such as the bombing of Hiroshima and slavery​

Nowhere does she object to the teaching of the history of slavery in the United States.
 
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clownboy said:
I'd agree with you there if that were at all humanly possible - it's not. Knowing that, I'd rather the bias be towards America rather than against it.
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Why should it be biased towards America if America was wrong? Whatever happened to 'those that forget the past are doomed to repeat it?'

I read alot of books on history and most are compilations of research and opposing sides/perspectives etc. All are presented and weighed. There's no reason that history cant be presented more 'openly' and factually in schools.

I do agree with you tho, it's impossible to be completely unbiased.
 
americanwoman said:
Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum changes that would promote patriotism | Fox News





I'm with the students on this one. Complete bs on the part of that school board. No curriculum should be biased or censored, just straight facts.
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I'm with you and the students on this one. History should be taught with as little bias as possible. Easier said than done, no doubt, but when the school board ACTIVELY AND PUBLICLY admit to wanting to slant what is taught to achieve a given agenda, no matter how well-intentioned, we shouldn't stand for it.
 
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AlbqOwl said:
Because I have up close and working knowledge of school system, faculties, administrations, and school kids. And in my ever increasing long life, I have NEVER known school kids to read and object to a text book in that way unless they were somehow encouraged to do that.
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According to the NY Times:

The teachers’ union, whose members forced two high schools to close Friday by calling in sick, has been in continual conflict with the new board; the board, in turn, has drawn praise from Americans for Prosperity-Colorado, a conservative group affiliated with the Koch family foundations. In April, Dustin Zvonek, the group’s director, wrote in an op-ed that the board’s election was an “exciting and hopeful moment for the county and the school district.”

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/24/us/in-colorado-a-student-counterprotest-to-an-anti-protest-curriculum.html

It seems you are correct. This didn't start with the kids deciding to protest.
 
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Fiddytree said:
Truthfully, however, this could violate anti-truancy policies. I think that should be heeded.

The relative lenience from school officials was probably more of a blessing for students.
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I forget...are they on campus or off? And truancy may have a definition...such as doctor's appt or with a parent's permission. I dont know but it seems that the kids are certainly going to learn something during this process.
 
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Grim17 said:
Just to substanciate calling your claim a "lie", here's what the article says about what that school board member said:

She said she’s not trying to eliminate the facts of U.S. history but shares the concerns conservatives nationally have outlined – that AP History casts some parts of history in a negative light, such as the bombing of Hiroshima and slavery​

Nowhere does she object to the teaching of the history of slavery in the United States.
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She clearly thinks slavery should be taught in a "positive light"
 
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Luftwaffe said:
most issues are best fought with intellect rather than waiving signs everywhere, but I do agree that for this particular situation they went about it perectly.
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They need to get the conversation started however. Which they succeeded in doing.

Are you suggesting that the discussions will be conducted in an unintelligent manner?
 
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Lursa said:
I forget...are they on campus or off? And truancy may have a definition...such as doctor's appt or with a parent's permission. I dont know but it seems that the kids are certainly going to learn something during this process.
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They were off-campus, but at a busy intersection "near" their school. They were given unexcused absences until or unless a parent retroactively gives permission.
 
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Fiddytree said:
They were off-campus, but at a busy intersection "near" their school. They were given unexcused absences until or unless a parent retroactively gives permission.
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Ah....using the heavy hand of threats.

Well hopefully their parents will step up.
 
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sangha said:
She clearly thinks slavery should be taught in a "positive light"
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You said, and I quote:

sangha said:
I have already posted a quote from the school board member who objects to the teaching of slavery.
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Based on the links contained in this thread, and the links you have provided, that statement absolutely false.

Either substanciate that claim, or retract it.
 
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Lursa said:
Ah....using the heavy hand of threats.

Well hopefully their parents will step up.
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Schools have given out far more severe punishment than that for absence to do protests. They just have to prove that the punishment was as a result of student conduct and not another contingency.

The school was in the right to give an unexcused absence to these students.
 
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