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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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jmotivator said:
OP Story = School Board wants curriculum to promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights.
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...by censoring history
 
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sangha said:
...by censoring history
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The only place in that article where censorship is mentioned is by a 17 year old protestor. Not the best choice of intellectual cues, Sangha.
 
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TurtleDude said:
ask any vet who served in the pacific theater circa 1945 if the nuking of Japan was a good thing
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Whether is was a good thing or was not should not matter in the educational teaching of the events. You tell the facts of the dates and the events that happened and then the teacher ( a good one) should then have a discussion without giving their own opinion but instead having the students come up with their own view on whether it was a good thing or not, provoking intelligent discussions and debate in the classroom. That's just my opinion on how it should be teached and it could be a good thing or not.
 
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jmotivator said:
These children are self absorbed idiots.

I don't blame them though. Their parents are probably even more self absorbed idiots, so it isn't like the kids had a chance.
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Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic.
 
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jmotivator said:
OP Story = School Board wants curriculum to promote citizenship, patriotism, essentials and benefits of the free-market system, respect for authority and respect for individual rights.

Left Wing Takeaway = Right wing wants to rewrite history!!
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They can keep their fascist brainwashing all they want. The government will earn the respect and support of the People only so long as it deserves the respect and support of the People. When it acts against us, it is time to move against it. Patriotism in this context is just propaganda for submitting to the government and stop thinking about what they are doing.
 
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sangha said:
OP story = Right wing school board wants to censor history

Right wing take away = Liberals want to censor history!!!
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Typical liberal response: no evidence to back their claims.

Hardly a "Pro-USA" textbook. The authors' point of view crystallizes into anything but an American viewpoint. The authors write, "In 1900 a superpatriotic group known as the 'Boxers' broke loose with the cry, 'Kill Foreign Devils'." Not once do the authors call the Boxer Rebellion a 'discriminatory insensitive action on the part of the Chinese'. Instead, the authors note "patriotic Chinese" formed to kick out foreigners [Boxer Rebellion]. Previously in the text is the Chinese immigration into the United States around the 1880s. Chinese immigration in the United States culminated with passing the Chinese Exclusion Act (barring Chinese immigration). The text describes this act as a "discriminatory measure" and that Americans were acting out of "ethnic prejudice." Although it may be seem discriminatory, it was also realistic. Americans in the Golden State complained about competing Chinese immigrants for jobs and wages (as the Chinese would work for cheap). There is an obvious slant and bias here.
Republicans & Conservatives: Proof of Liberal History Textbooks
 
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jmotivator said:
The only place in that article where censorship is mentioned is by a 17 year old protestor. Not the best choice of intellectual cues, Sangha.
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You ignored the actual standards which call for censorship
 
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Ikari said:
Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic.
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That isn't what they said, though.
 
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sangha said:
You ignored the actual standards which call for censorship
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Where do the standards call for censorship?
 
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jmotivator said:
Where do the standards call for censorship?
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http://www.boarddocs.com/co/jeffco/Board.nsf/files/9NYRPF6DED70/$file/JW%20PROPOSAL%20Board%20Committee%20for%20Curriculum%20Review.pdf
 
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jmotivator said:
That isn't what they said, though.
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It's what you highlighted.

including messages that read "There is nothing more patriotic than protest."

that was what you quoted when I responded to you, and you claimed the kids were dumb and everything. But it is a true statement. I guess there's semantics if you want to play "nothing more" vs. "one of the highest forms of", but that's about it.
 
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sangha said:
http://www.boarddocs.com/co/jeffco/Board.nsf/files/9NYRPF6DED70/$file/JW%20PROPOSAL%20Board%20Committee%20for%20Curriculum%20Review.pdf
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And where is the censorship in that statement? If this is what you call censorship then the act of creating a curriculum is and always has been censorship.
 
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Ikari said:
It's what you highlighted.

including messages that read "There is nothing more patriotic than protest."

that was what you quoted when I responded to you, and you claimed the kids were dumb and everything. But it is a true statement. I guess there's semantics if you want to play "nothing more" vs. "one of the highest forms of", but that's about it.
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And that isn't what you said! Criminey.

Quote #1: "There is nothing more patriotic than protest."
Quote #2: "Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic."


So, I would state that laying down your life for your country is the greatest form of patriotism.

If that is true (which it is) then Quote #1 is false and Quote #2 is still true. Therefore:

Quote #1 =/= Quote #2
 
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jmotivator said:
And that isn't what you said! Criminey.

"There is nothing more patriotic than protest." =/= "Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic."
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Ahh, ok, so you're going the dumb semantics game route. K. Dumb semantics games are dumb.
 
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Ikari said:
Ahh, ok, so you're going the dumb semantics game route. K. Dumb semantics games are dumb.
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:lamo That's it? That's all you have in response to j's post? Ba! Worthless.
 
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Ikari said:
Ahh, ok, so you're going the dumb semantics game route. K. Dumb semantics games are dumb.
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No, I am going the "words have meaning" route to combat your "words have no meaning" position.

Also, Pro Tip: If you are arguing that the two sentences have the same meaning then you are making a semantic argument.

I've updated my post since you quoted me to spell out the logic of the difference in the two sentences.

Again, like Sangha, I would advise you not to take your intellectual cues from 17 year olds.
 
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j-mac said:
:lamo That's it? That's all you have in response to j's post? Ba! Worthless.
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His post was worthless. I had already stated that the only contention would be a semantics contention, and that's all he brought. The fact is, protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism. While it may not be a universal statement as some protests may not be patriotic in the least, it is one of the most patriotic acts there is and one the the very foundations of the Republic.
 
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Ikari said:
His post was worthless. I had already stated that the only contention would be a semantics contention, and that's all he brought. The fact is, protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism. While it may not be a universal statement as some protests may not be patriotic in the least, it is one of the most patriotic acts there is and one the the very foundations of the Republic.
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No, you have that slightly wrong...I would say allowing the protest is a high form of patriotism, face it some protests are anti patriotic.
 
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jmotivator said:
And that isn't what you said! Criminey.

Quote #1: "There is nothing more patriotic than protest."
Quote #2: "Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic."


So, I would state that laying down your life for your country is the greatest form of patriotism.

If that is true (which it is) then Quote #1 is false and Quote #2 is still true. Therefore:

Quote #1 =/= Quote #2
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Well let's play this stupidity out to it's conclusion.

Laying down your life for your country is not the greatest form of patriotism as the country is led by the government and not all death for the government is an act of patriotism. In fact, it can go against the rights and liberties of the individual; which would make it traitorous.

Laying down your life for your country is one of the highest forms of patriotism, but is not universally true and depending on what semantics you're going to play with "for your country", it could in fact be not true on whole. For instance, all the soldiers dying in the ME for the sake of the government and its infinity war, those are not acts of patriotism as they do nothing for the Republic or the People.
 
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Ikari said:
His post was worthless. I had already stated that the only contention would be a semantics contention, and that's all he brought. The fact is, protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism. While it may not be a universal statement as some protests may not be patriotic in the least, it is one of the most patriotic acts there is and one the the very foundations of the Republic.
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It is funny to see you try to argue that the rebuttal to your semantic argument is worthless because it is semantic. There are very real and logical inconsistencies in the two sentences. I have shown you how it is possible to make a statement that renders one of the quotes true while the other quote is rendered false. This definitively shows that the sentences are not saying the same thing.

It's obvious you are not very interested in the meanings of words so I would suggest you stop trying to argue the meanings of sentences.
 
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j-mac said:
No, you have that slightly wrong...I would say allowing the protest is a high form of patriotism, face it some protests are anti patriotic.
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Well I did say that some protests may not be patriotic in the least.

Allowing them is no form of patriotism, typically you can't "not allow" them without engaging in treason and tyranny. The standing up, the voice opinion, the dissent against government action...those are acts of patriotism in certain realizations of the act. Following the law...not so much.
 
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Ikari said:
Ahh, ok, so you're going the dumb semantics game route. K. Dumb semantics games are dumb.
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He's doing the same thing with the school boards policy about censoring the curriculum
 
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Ikari said:
Protest is one of the highest forms of patriotism in this Republic.
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Not if it's based on stupidity, and interfering with the rights of others. I'd see more evidence of patriotism from someone wearing a military uniform than anything I saw from the OWS protesters. There are many far higher forms of patriotism, but perhaps that's what they're teaching grade students these days.
 
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Ikari said:
Well let's play this stupidity out to it's conclusion.

Laying down your life for your country is not the greatest form of patriotism as the country is led by the government and not all death for the government is an act of patriotism. In fact, it can go against the rights and liberties of the individual; which would make it traitorous.

Laying down your life for your country is one of the highest forms of patriotism, but is not universally true and depending on what semantics you're going to play with "for your country", it could in fact be not true on whole. For instance, all the soldiers dying in the ME for the sake of the government and its infinity war, those are not acts of patriotism as they do nothing for the Republic or the People.
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Treason =/= Patriotism it is the opposite of Patriotism, therefor a traitors death is not an act of patriotism.

You really are terrible with words.
 
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