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Hundreds of Colorado students protest history curriculum[W:234]

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Grim17 said:
Yes, an objection to HOW the topic of slavery was taught, not an objection to teaching the subject itself.
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Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light
 
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Fiddytree said:
A student cannot skip class without an excused absence. This isn't rocket science.
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Really? I've done it. There was some bluster and it was forgotten.

You're just being silly. And irrelevant.
 
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sangha said:
I'm not familiar with the name but I'm going to guess he agrees with that guy from that hillbilly's duckhunting show
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Responsible for basically how historians had perceived slavery and the South for many decades. To Peroista who said history was written by the victors, in all actuality, it was written by those who had lost the Civil War until the 1950s and 1960s.
 
This is just the beginning with this school board as their committee will recommend changes in AP courses in all other subjects. Isn't it great to know that "Congressman Paul Broun" types will force the 6,000 year-old theories on our very best students. Nice prep for for a real professor huh ?
 
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sangha said:
Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light
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Pretty shallow response, my friend ....

We know that slavery has existed since the beginning of time. You make it sound like it was our own little invention.

BUT ... the United States stopped slavery. 600,000 Americans died over it. That sounds pretty positive to me. Maybe you should consider the accomplishment, not the cause.
 
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GBFAN said:
Pretty shallow response, my friend ....

We know that slavery has existed since the beginning of time. You make it sound like it was our own little invention.

BUT ... the United States stopped slavery. 600,000 Americans died over it. That sounds pretty positive to me. Maybe you should consider the accomplishment, not the cause.
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So the school doesn't teach that slavery ended?

They probably should include that fact
 
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sangha said:
Only when I'm forced
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Jack Daniels helps that ... I've come up with a lot of really good ideas (or so I thought at the time) when I'm drinkin'.
 
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Flamethrower said:
Typical liberal response: no evidence to back their claims.

Hardly a "Pro-USA" textbook. The authors' point of view crystallizes into anything but an American viewpoint. The authors write, "In 1900 a superpatriotic group known as the 'Boxers' broke loose with the cry, 'Kill Foreign Devils'." Not once do the authors call the Boxer Rebellion a 'discriminatory insensitive action on the part of the Chinese'. Instead, the authors note "patriotic Chinese" formed to kick out foreigners [Boxer Rebellion]. Previously in the text is the Chinese immigration into the United States around the 1880s. Chinese immigration in the United States culminated with passing the Chinese Exclusion Act (barring Chinese immigration). The text describes this act as a "discriminatory measure" and that Americans were acting out of "ethnic prejudice." Although it may be seem discriminatory, it was also realistic. Americans in the Golden State complained about competing Chinese immigrants for jobs and wages (as the Chinese would work for cheap). There is an obvious slant and bias here.
Republicans & Conservatives: Proof of Liberal History Textbooks
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Quotes from the author of the blog you linked to:

"Surely a president is more remarkable than an Indian in our nation's history." Surely? Why? And isn't that statement pretty racist? Are you really suggesting we take this guy's advice on the writing of history books? :shock:

"Hardly a "Pro-USA" textbook. The authors' point of view crystallizes into anything but an American viewpoint." Why should we have a "Pro-USA textbook"? Shouldn't we have a "accurate and balanced textbook"? This guy is claiming bias when he is most certainly biased himself :doh

"Our country will perish if the youth are not taught how great our forefathers were." Wow. Nationalistic brainwashing, pure and simple. Maybe some of them were great, maybe some of them were good, maybe some were mediocre or worse. Isn't that what should be taught so that the students can come to their own conclusion on collective "greatness" or the lack thereof?

Major fail by the right in bringing this blogger in on their side.
 
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sangha said:
Let us know when you come up with a way to teach slavery in a positive light
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Whether you truly don't get it, or as I suspect, you're just playing games, let me enlighten you...

We all know slavery was wrong, but what isn't taught in most classrooms is why slavery was allowed to continue in the first place, the purpose behind the 3/5 clause, and the attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820.

What few are taught (I know I surely wasn't back in the early 70's), was how many people opposed it, how bitterly it was fought over by the framers, and the steps that were taken in both the Constitution and legislatively to end slavery without dividing the nation. Those are things that children deserve to know, but few do.
 
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Grim17 said:
Seriously? Because she never said that slavery shouldn't be taught in history class... That's kind of a no-brainer.
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I think she's saying that slavery should be taught in a patriotic, pro-USA manner. Perhaps Cliven Bundy is working on a draft as we speak . . . . . .
 
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Grim17 said:
Whether you truly don't get it, or as I suspect, you're just playing games, let me enlighten you...

We all know slavery was wrong, but what isn't taught in most classrooms is why slavery was allowed to continue in the first place, the purpose behind the 3/5 clause, and the attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820.

What few are taught (I know I surely wasn't back in the early 70's), was how many people opposed it, how bitterly it was fought over by the framers, and the steps that were taken in both the Constitution and legislatively to end slavery without dividing the nation. Those are things that children deserve to know, but few do.
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So you are claiming that the students aren't taught that there was no opposition to slavery?

Proof?
 
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sangha said:
So you are claiming that the students aren't taught that there was no opposition to slavery?

Proof?
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How can you read what Grim wrote and ask that question?

Honest history teaches who and why some supported slavery and teaches that the vast majority opposed it. Honest history teaches why slavery is such a terrible thing and indefensible politically, morally, or ethically while at the same time, our nation did its best to correct the wrongs that were done, and today's descendants of slaves most likely are far better off than they would have been had they been born in their ancestors' home countries. Honest history teaches about the eleven years of discussion, theory, thought, and debate that went into the original Constitution and why it was necessary to allow the slave states to continue to be slave states so that a new nation could be forged. Honest history places things into perspective that everything that is legal is not necessarily right, but we all likely live under some laws we disagree with even as we hope to change them.

Honest history does not teach the modern liberal mantra that the Founders can be dismissed and scorned because slavery existed at they time they lived and forged the Constitution and therefore they were all evil and wrong.

Honest history does not judge on a moral basis but rather judges on cause and effect, both the intended and unintended positive consequences and unintended negative consequences.
 
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Karl said:
I think she's saying that slavery should be taught in a patriotic, pro-USA manner. Perhaps Cliven Bundy is working on a draft as we speak . . . . . .
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Your attempt to insult aside, just because slavery was allowed doesn't mean there weren't attempts right from the days of our founding to have it abolished. From our founding until the civil war, America moved stedily in the direction of freedom not slavery. Everyone knows slavery was wrong, but our kids need to also know that there were many who fought against it from day one.
 
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sangha said:
So you are claiming that the students aren't taught that there was no opposition to slavery?

Proof?
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I'm telling you based on my own personal experiences in the public school system. All that woman was saying is that there were positive things that America did to abolish slavery right from the beginning... Things that along with the bad, should be included.

That's all she was saying.
 
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Grim17 said:
All that woman was saying is that there were positive things that America did to abolish slavery right from the beginning... Things that along with the bad, should be included.

That's all she was saying.
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No, she didn't say that at all.
 
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ernst barkmann said:
no the founders wrote to the king to hear their grievances several times, which he did not listen too.

then they took the road of revolution, not the road of protest.

its time you read history instead of spouting non -sense, and being constantly wrong.
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So... they weren't patriotic toward their king then. Rather than simply demonstrate by walking out, they chose illegal acts, including the burning of homes, the dumping of the king's tea adn outright shooting British soldiers. They chose to take up arms against their government.

So, tell me how these high school students were wrong again.
 
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imo, what is lacking today in many teachings is including the historical context of the subject.

The question should be does the lesson plan include what was the social acceptable norm at the time, why it was and why the social norm has change (if it has).

If the leason plan does not, then it is lacking in content.
 
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sangha said:
No, she didn't say that at all.
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She didn't have to... Only someone with a partisan agenda would think she didn't want to teach slavery in history classes as you did... The whole point of that ammendment by the school board was to promote positive things about the US and slavery as well as the A-Bomb are historic issues where there are things that reflect positively on the nation, not just negative.

I realize that balance can be counter productive in the liberal indoctrination process, but oh well.... You can win them all.
 
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Flamethrower said:
The many Amerindian tribes had the same goal of "Maifest Destiny" as did the Euros. The Pueblo Indians were exterminated wholesale before Spanish can into the territory. The Displaced Apaches exterminated those tribes until they were defeated.

However, victorious Native Tribes did not have policy of giving their defeated enemies reservations with government benefits---they usually just killed the men and took some the women and children as war booty. Native Americans were wiping each other out long before Columbus---and that was over the entire landmass of the Americas.

The real history of America leaves out all the ugly details of fighting and genocide---unless it was White-on-Them.

I support a real and honest coverage of all people in history---all held to the very same standards as Whitey.
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Uh, the Pueblo Revolt took place in 1680 against the Spanish...

The "Apache" were a confederation of southwestern tribes that lasted until the 19th century. And American Indians knew nothing of Manifest Destiny. YOu really have no idea what the hell you're talking about.
 
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sangha said:
She didn't have to say that schools should teach about slavery

Do you see the irony yet?
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What's amazing is the fact you still stand by your lie and continue to falsely claim that she said she was against teaching slavery, when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.

Your entire argument is based on a lie of your own making, and one in which you refuse to retract... That just pathetic as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Grim17 said:
What's amazing is the fact you still stand by your lie and continue to falsely claim that she said she was against teaching slavery, when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.
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Equally "amazing" is that you stand by your lie that she was referring to the "attempts to end slavery by congress with The Act of 1807, The Act of 1818, The Act of 1819 and The Act of 1820" when no such quote, or anything even remotely resembling that quote, exists anywhere.

Still don't see the irony, huh?
 
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