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D’Souza Is Spared Prison Time for Campaign Finance Violations

My position on matters like these is not entirely unrelated to the principles of the social contract, which is by my interpretation a tacit agreement to create a system secure enough that people as a civilization would feel confidence in participating in that system, thereby making civilization something that can actually function. So for example we "agreed" to give up our right to murder each other over every offense and set up a justice system instead to determine the correct punishment; we agreed to give up our right to steal from others so we could enjoy the comfort in knowing that others were prohibited from stealing from us; we set up a securities and exchange commission so that the public would feel confidence in participating in the investment system, which is good for the economy as a whole. Finally, we created laws regarding campaign contributions, laws against corruption and some means of tracking votes so that the public has confidence in the Democratic process. Does this mean D'Souza's punishment should have been imprisonment? Maybe, maybe not, but the point is it's not a victimless crime because his actions were a crime against the electoral system as a whole, and if treated as unimportant or swept under the rug altogether then that in turn harms our confidence in the Democratic process.
 
When I think of the number of people in recent years that have been accused of funny business when it comes to campaign financing and support, it brings to mind certain arrogent individuals who deny, deny, deny in front of the cameras. Then I look at people like D'Souza and I must say there a level of admiration about the way he handled the whole thing. Sure, he broke the law and he is rightly paying the price, but at least he didn't get in front of the cameras and lie his ass off like so many others that come to mind.

Here, this is what I'm talking about:

 
Grim17 said:
When I think of the number of people in recent years that have been accused of funny business when it comes to campaign financing and support, it brings to mind certain arrogent individuals who deny, deny, deny in front of the cameras. Then I look at people like D'Souza and I must say there a level of admiration about the way he handled the whole thing. Sure, he broke the law and he is rightly paying the price, but at least he didn't get in front of the cameras and lie his ass off like so many others that come to mind.

Here, this is what I'm talking about:

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"Yes, I'm guilty, but I'm being unfairly targeted."

Scumbag.
 
Cardinal said:
"Yes, I'm guilty, but I'm being unfairly targeted."

Scumbag.
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He admitted guilt and told the truth on both counts, and this qualifies as being a scumbag? He did not use the unfair targeting as an excuse for his actions.

Sorry, but a scumbag is someone who does something wrong and doesn't have the integrity to admit their mistake.
 
Grim17 said:
He admitted guilt and told the truth on both counts, and this qualifies as being a scumbag?

Sorry, but a scumbag is someone who does something wrong and doesn't have the integrity to admit their mistake.
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He qualified it by complaining he was being unfairly targeted. Scumbags do that. People with some level of integrity who are caught committing a crime know they're guilty and serve their punishment and shut the **** up. He sounds like a grade school child punished for clogging the toilets and complains that not enough other kids other were punished as well. If D'Souza were seven years old his behavior would make sense. But he's an adult so he's just a scumbag. His character is seriously piss poor.
 
Grim17 said:
He admitted guilt and told the truth on both counts, and this qualifies as being a scumbag? He did not use the unfair targeting as an excuse for his actions.

Sorry, but a scumbag is someone who does something wrong and doesn't have the integrity to admit their mistake.
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I could agree with you that a scumbag doesn't in fact admit to their crimes. Can we compromise and agree on "low character ****weasel?"
 
Cardinal said:
He qualified it by complaining he was being unfairly targeted. Scumbags do that. People with some level of integrity who are caught committing a crime know they're guilty and serve their punishment and shut the **** up. He sounds like a grade school child punished for clogging the toilets and complains that not enough other other were punished as well. If D'Souza were seven years old his behavior would make sense. But he's an adult so he's just a scumbag. His character is seriously piss poor.
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He never used it as an excuse for his actions... He was singled out for prosecution and that's a fact.

There's no excuse for breaking the law and like I said, he is now paying the price for it... At least he manned up for what he did instead of pulling a Blago or Birtha Lewis.
 
Grim17 said:
He never used it as an excuse for his actions... He was singled out for prosecution and that's a fact.

There's no excuse for breaking the law and like I said, he is now paying the price for it... At least he manned up for what he did instead of pulling a Blago or Birtha Lewis.
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He didn't "man up," he was caught. And then after being caught he cried to the press like a little bitch that he was being unfairly targeted. He's a low character ****weasel.
 
Cardinal said:
I could agree with you that a scumbag doesn't in fact admit to their crimes. Can we compromise and agree on "low character ****weasel?"
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The act itself was stupid and dishonest... But unlike most, he didn't run around denying what he did and claiming he was the innocent victim of a political conspiricy.
 
Cardinal said:
"Yes, I'm guilty, but I'm being unfairly targeted."

Scumbag.
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please refrain from that langauge...

He is far from that and he is 100% correct in what he said.. he was only "caught" because he was a target of Obamas intimidation machine..
 
Grim17 said:
He never used it as an excuse for his actions... He was singled out for prosecution and that's a fact.

There's no excuse for breaking the law and like I said, he is now paying the price for it... At least he manned up for what he did instead of pulling a Blago or Birtha Lewis.
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Or a Charlie Rangel or a Tim Geithner, who did a "oops I made a mistake" after being caught.

Rangel was the chair of the Ways and Means Committee -which is responsible for the tax code that impacts every single one of us - while he was breaking more than a single law he was tasked with upholding. And he never saw a minute of jail time nor community center living - and he remains in Congress to this day.
 
Grim17 said:
The act itself was stupid and dishonest... But unlike most, he didn't run around denying what he did and claiming he was the innocent victim of a political conspiricy.
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Of course he couldn't deny it...he had no defense. So his next course of action was to complain that he was caught, which he did because he has no character and he doesn't feel any remorse over what he did, just that he was caught.
 
Cardinal said:
He didn't "man up," he was caught. And then after being caught he cried to the press like a little bitch that he was being unfairly targeted. He's a low character ****weasel.
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Did he ever deny the charges? No..

Was he unfairly targeted? Yes...

Sounds to me like you're letting your personal hatred cloud your judgement.
 
Grim17 said:
Did he ever deny the charges? No..

Was he unfairly targeted? Yes...

Sounds to me like you're letting your personal hatred cloud your judgement.
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how was he guilty yet "unfairly targeted"?
 
Here's how that Fox interview would have gone down if D'Souza had character and was not, in fact, a low-character ****weasel:

Kelly: "So, Mr. D'Souza, looks like you were caught being a bad boy."
D'Souza: "Yup, it certainly appears that way."
Kelly: "But wouldn't you say that you were being unfairly targeted?"
D'Souza: "Kelly, I don't know, maybe I was, maybe I wasn't, but let's not try to change the subject. The point is I broke the law and I'm paying the price for it. That's it."
Kelly: "Yes, but-"
D'Souza: "Kelly, there is no 'but.' I knew what I did was illegal and I got busted. That's it. Here's the thing you really need to remember here: if I hadn't committed a crime, I wouldn't be here right now."
Kelly: "But the prosecutor-"
D'Souza: "Kelly, just stop. Let me reiterate: If I hadn't committed this crime, I'd be home right now binging on Orange is the New Black, because I have absolutely terrible taste in television."
Kelly: "......"
D'Souza: "......"
Kelly: "Um..."
D'Souza: "Yyyyup."
Kelly: "Okay, um...Dinesh D'Souza, everybody. We'll return after these messages."
 
Gina said:
You beat me to that one. He ruined lives in violating the public trust while lining his pockets to support his extravagant lifestyle. He deserved well more than he will end up serving.
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Madoff put people in the poorhouse by stealing their life's savings. that is malum per se. what DD did is malum prohibitum

meaning it is illegal because laws are passed saying its illegal-not because it is objectively wrong

for people like Madoff, the best punishment is to impoverish them and force them to spend the rest of their years on earth working off what they took from other. Madoff is brilliant so he can use his intelligence to help enrich those he cheated

as to DD-its a stupid law that should not exist in the first place
 
justabubba said:
how was he guilty yet "unfairly targeted"?
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Some conservatives apparently think that prosecutors are supposed to abide by a quota system, I guess.

"So, up next is D'Souza, who appears to have given illegal contributions."
"Nope, stop right there. We already prosecuted a conservative last week. We need to focus on a liberal this week."
 
TurtleDude said:
Madoff put people in the poorhouse by stealing their life's savings. that is malum per se. what DD did is malum prohibitum

meaning it is illegal because laws are passed saying its illegal-not because it is objectively wrong

for people like Madoff, the best punishment is to impoverish them and force them to spend the rest of their years on earth working off what they took from other. Madoff is brilliant so he can use his intelligence to help enrich those he cheated

as to DD-its a stupid law that should not exist in the first place
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I like that punishment. It fits the crime and does everybody a world more good than sitting in prison.
 
TurtleDude said:
Madoff put people in the poorhouse by stealing their life's savings. that is malum per se. what DD did is malum prohibitum

meaning it is illegal because laws are passed saying its illegal-not because it is objectively wrong

for people like Madoff, the best punishment is to impoverish them and force them to spend the rest of their years on earth working off what they took from other. Madoff is brilliant so he can use his intelligence to help enrich those he cheated

as to DD-its a stupid law that should not exist in the first place
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got it
as a former officer of the court, a former practicing attorney, you find that those who do engage in fraud should not be subjected to incarceration
too twisted for those of us who reside in the real world
 
tres borrachos said:
Or a Charlie Rangel or a Tim Geithner, who did a "oops I made a mistake" after being caught.

Rangel was the chair of the Ways and Means Committee -which is responsible for the tax code that impacts every single one of us - while he was breaking more than a single law he was tasked with upholding. And he never saw a minute of jail time nor community center living - and he remains in Congress to this day.
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But of course. Why did you expect anything less than this?

First, he's a minority. Second, he's a congressman. Third, he's a monitory congressman brought up before his congressional peers.

You seriously expected some sort of consistent justice to be applied to this situation as if he were a rich white businessman? Perish the thought.

Yes, yes. Not only excessive political correctness apply here, also the case that a thief being judged by a ban of thieves.
 
justabubba said:
got it
as a former officer of the court, a former practicing attorney, you find that those who do engage in fraud should not be subjected to incarceration
too twisted for those of us who reside in the real world
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My only concern is how he would take advantage of the sentence to simply make enough to sustain himself and not a penny more for those he stole from, all just to stay out of prison. In principle it's a neat idea, though fuzzy in the execution.
 
Cardinal said:
He qualified it by complaining he was being unfairly targeted. Scumbags do that. People with some level of integrity who are caught committing a crime know they're guilty and serve their punishment and shut the **** up. He sounds like a grade school child punished for clogging the toilets and complains that not enough other kids other were punished as well. If D'Souza were seven years old his behavior would make sense. But he's an adult so he's just a scumbag. His character is seriously piss poor.
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the man is hero.. your posts are garbage.

Dinesh is a stand up guy..classy and he loves the USA..
 
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Cardinal said:
My only concern is how he would take advantage of the sentence to simply make enough to sustain himself and not a penny more for those he stole from, all just to stay out of prison. In principle it's a neat idea, though fuzzy in the execution.
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madoff is currently enjoying superstar status while in prison
doing taxes for many of the inmates
should be a movie about someone who does such :doh
 
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