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US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

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polgara said:
Greetings, humbolt. :2wave:

Negotiations always involve compromise - otherwise they are not called negotiations, but ultimatums! This "my way or the highway or I walk out" thinking has hurt us in Iraq, Libya (and for a while in Egypt until the people booted the MB out of power), and we are now seeing the results, and paying the price for ISIS and others gaining strength. Now I read that this "non-war" is going to go on for years and perhaps a decade? Why? Weren't we going bankrupt fast enough to suit those who are masterminding this crap? :bs
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I dunno Pol. We won't win from the air - it's degrade and contain, and that requires the same kind of effort the no-fly zone required in Iraq before. The idea that ISIS wouldn't exist in Iraq if Saddam was still in power is baseless. We have no way of knowing that, and never will. Who knows what end Obama has in mind? I don't think he knows.
 
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NIMBY said:
This has been the goal of your GOP since the night of the 2008 election .
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Not my GOP, NIMBY. I'm not a republican. I'm certain it was the goal of some there. Personally, when all of Obama's lies became apparent, I started to understand the sentiment.
 
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Grant said:
The enemy is relentless and eager, it seems, to waste their lives. We have to be just as relentless, use our strengths to the maximum, and not waste any lives. When forces were cut in Afghanistan and Iraq there were more casualties. It may look good politically but it's not so good for the troops. I'd rather be surrounded by 50,000 good people than 1,600 and most everyone would say the same..
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I was in Vietnam during the draw down, once all our combat forces were withdrawn the North Vietnamese launched their Eastertide Offense hoping to take advantage of lack of American combat forces. The ARVN sure bent and retreated some, but they were good enough with our air power to put a stop to the offensive and finally drive the NVA back to where they started except in Quang Tri Provence. But we still had advisers with the ARVN and those advisers gave the ARVN some backbone and really helped at places like An Loc.

I don't remember the exact causality figures, but you are right. More causalities occurred during the withdrawal than prior.
 
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Grant said:
No one understands it perfectly, Perotista, which is why we have so many differing opinions, even among the 'experts'.

My only concern that when there is war fight to win, hard and fast. If not, as we have seen since the troops were pulled from Iraq, all those people died for nothing, and the same with all those suffering with their injuries, and their loved ones. And the hell with the billions spent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen again and it is criminal if it does.
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I agree, get in, win the darn thing with all available means and then come home. All this limited this and that, this tit for tat, all that does is prolong things and causes more death and destruction than if we went in full hog and got the darn thing over as fast as we could.
 
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Juanita said:
I believe that the Assad regime supported Hezbollah, a terrorist organization.
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I believe you are right. Sometimes there are no right choices or answers regardless how hard we want there to be. Sometimes one has to make a decision among bad or perhaps even wrong choices and answers. One may even have to go with the least bad choice to deal with the more evil or worst choices.

With the situation as it is, I think the U.S. will have to make a choice between ISIS or Assad left standing in the end. It is trying to walk a tightrope now, to have it both ways but sooner or later the reality of the situation will have to be confronted.
 
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Grant said:
My only concern that when there is war fight to win, hard and fast. If not, as we have seen since the troops were pulled from Iraq, all those people died for nothing, and the same with all those suffering with their injuries, and their loved ones. And the hell with the billions spent. That shouldn't be allowed to happen again and it is criminal if it does.
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Wrong emphasis... thousands more dead GIs, billions more spent to keep 'the peace' in Iraq is not paying homage to those who died before. More thought about your concern BEFORE BushII decided to invade Iraq would have been faaaar better than sending more good men to their deaths.

I agree it shouldn't be allowed to happen again... a CON 'think tank' designing a POLITICAL fantasy land that good troops die to prove was more crack than reality... :peace
 
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notquiteright said:
Wrong emphasis... thousands more dead GIs, billions more spent to keep 'the peace' in Iraq is not paying homage to those who died before
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. What thousands more dead GI s are you talking about?
More thought about your concern BEFORE BushII decided to invade Iraq would have been faaaar better than sending more good men to their deaths.
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A majority of the American government were for the war, a great coalition was made, Saddam Hussein was defeated, democracy was introduced and the war was won. All that was given away to Islamists when Barrack, against the advice of everyone, removed the victorious troops from Iraq.
I agree it shouldn't be allowed to happen again... a CON 'think tank' designing a POLITICAL fantasy land that good troops die to prove was more crack than reality... :peace
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That makes no sense.
 
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Grant said:
And Obama never promised to bring the troops home.
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Sure he did but that doesn't negate the fact they wanted us out.
 
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Grant said:
Turkey is very fearful of getting involved. The risk there, as everywhere but to a larger degree for the Turks, is domestic terrorism.
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Turkey is heavily involved but in a covert way. They're collecting intelligence and intercepting individuals in their country. Regardless of what tbey say for public consumption they have a big stake in this and wouldn't be left out. It's naive to think they are out if the picture.
 
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Grant said:
The real danger is a half-assed war without commitment to win, and to win without question. That means shock and awe and more shock and awe and still more after that. Then, and only then, can these extremely committed people finally realize its over. History has taught us repeatedly that a total win is essential and it should never be ignored.
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How effective was "shock and awe" in Iraq again in the long run?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Sure he did but that doesn't negate the fact they wanted us out.
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Yep, and now they are begging to get us back in there...Notice that immunity has been granted magically from Iraq now....Imagine that.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
How effective was "shock and awe" in Iraq again in the long run?
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Very...It quickly removed SH from power, and resulted in many of the Iraqi army just surrendering.
 
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j-mac said:
Yep, and now they are begging to get us back in there...Notice that immunity has been granted magically from Iraq now....Imagine that.
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Having your country potentially over run can do that.
 
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j-mac said:
Very...It quickly removed SH from power, and resulted in many of the Iraqi army just surrendering.
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Did you miss my words "in the longrun" or did you purposely ignore them?

One could argue that in the long run the shock and awe campaign, that left everyone in Iraq with a relative dead, probably recruited terrorists.
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Did you miss my words "in the longrun" or did you purposely ignore them?

One could argue that in the long run the shock and awe campaign, that left everyone in Iraq with a relative dead, probably recruited terrorists.
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Oh please...You think war is neat?
 
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EnigmaO01 said:
Sure he did but that doesn't negate the fact they wanted us out.
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He said in the debate with Romney that he would not sign a SOFA agreement. Are you actually an American living in the United States?
 
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j-mac said:
Yep, and now they are begging to get us back in there...Notice that immunity has been granted magically from Iraq now....Imagine that.
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Malaki had to say what he did for political reasons, and that was understood at the time, but no one thought this posturing would ever lead to troop removal.

After thousands of American troops dead and wounded, more in Coalition troops, would any serious person leave Iraq because a minor actor like Malaki tells them to? They could negotiate a SOFA Agreement, as in many other places around the world but, as Obama has said, he didn't want to sign an agreement but wanted to bring the troops home. He then said what a great job he did in doing that, and as he promised. This was against the advice of all the military, and what's happening now was predicted by the CIA and the Bush administration and now even Obama is changing his story for the the low info's. I know you know all this, btw, im just reiterating for the LIV's.

Obama Now Claims It Wasn't His Decision to Leave Iraq

Only Obama Thinks Wars Are Always Optional | The American Spectator
 
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Bumping up your thread again USC.....The US believes it has killed the Leader of Khorasan. He was Kuwaiti.....not Syrian.
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US Believes Khorasan Leader Killed In Syria Strike

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The United States believes that a U.S. strike in Syria has killed Mohsin al-Fadhli, the leader of a group of al Qaeda militants known as Khorasan, a U.S. official told Reuters on Wednesday.

U.S. officials have said the al Qaeda-linked group posed an immediate threat to the West and had been nearing the execution of a plot against U.S. or European targets.

Read more: US Believes Khorasan Leader Killed In Strike - Business Insider
 
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Grant said:
He said in the debate with Romney that he would not sign a SOFA agreement. Are you actually an American living in the United States?
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Link please?
 
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