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US Airstrikes Under Way in Syria[W:354]

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Ikari said:
Likely, yes, but what was the last war we got into militarily? Probably WW II.
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And the Allies got into that to win. No nonsensical 'withdrawal dates' were discussed, or asked for. They also didn't openly discuss their plans with the enemy.
 
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Grant said:
Obama was not stupid to say that because it was true. Iraq was stable and a democracy was in place. Where Obama was stupid was not following the advice of the military and previous administration in thinking Iraq would stay that way once the troops had left. Biden was stupid by trying to claim credit for a stable Iraq.
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It was not true in any way, shape or form.

Democracy doesn't just spring up overnight, you don't just hold a couple of elections and declare we now have democracy.

Violence in Iraq was still rife, bombs, killings, ethnic violence still rampant in 2008 and 2011.

This idea that somehow Iraq was a thriving democracy and it was all ruined by lack of US troops is folly.

The will of the people was that the troops leave Iraq.

So you can blame Obama all you want, but the fact of the matter is, he did what people wanted him to do because we shouldn't have ****ing been there in the first place.

And I also applaud Chretien and Martin for not getting us involved in that bungled disaster of a war.
 
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FaceofBachmann said:
So the point is the Obama underestimated the Bush/Cheney screw up? Yep. He should have said Bush screwed up the Middle East so much that we won't be able to fix it for decades. Thanks Bush.
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You needn't encourage Barrack Obama to lie. He does all right on his own.
 
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Grant said:
And the Allies got into that to win. No nonsensical 'withdrawal dates' were discussed, or asked for. They also didn't openly discuss their plans with the enemy.
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Sure didn't, but we did declare war and have a plan. That's the nice thing about a Declaration of War, it forces the government to plan because while you do not discuss "dates" or whatever, a declaration would need a surrender to conclude and thus you have to actually sit down and figure out how to get to end game.
 
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US Conservative said:
I see, hence his "no boots on the ground" comments. Because airstrikes win wars. :roll:

And yes, we are at war-with a new enemy-ISIS.
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No, air strikes are not going to win wars, but America should not be a babysitter either. Either Middle Eastern nations step up to the plate and start fighting, instead of relying on America to do it all for them, or they are going to get the government they deserve.
 
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MMC said:
Although I already did know.....one cannot win a War without Boots on the ground. Just sayin.
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You could volunteer to put your boots on the ground. Of course, they don't have to be American boots.
 
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Jetboogieman said:
It was not true in any way, shape or form. Democracy doesn't just spring up overnight, you don't just hold a couple of elections and declare we now have democracy.
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That's the point, and why the troops should have stayed!

Violence in Iraq was still rife, bombs, killings, ethnic violence still rampant in 2008 and 2011.
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It had calmed down by the time the troops were pulled out and it was all containable. The military and the CIA originally wanted 70,000 troops to remain but this was continually whittled down by Obama until they were all removed. Now no one will mention the 'stable' word, or what an 'achievement' Iraq is.

This idea that somehow Iraq was a thriving democracy and it was all ruined by lack of US troops is folly.
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Who said Iraq was a "thriving democracy"? Lose the hyperbole or use quotes. It was a democracy but, like most burgeoning democracies, need time and custom and rule of law to take hold.

The will of the people was that the troops leave Iraq.
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That's when leadership is required so that the situation can be explained to the less politically aware. Megyn Kelly just shared a 2007 George Bush Iraq speech, and it’s going VIRAL |
 
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CRUE CAB said:
We are running out of Tomahawk missiles.
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The U.S. Navy has a stockpile of around 3,500 Tomahawk missiles and more are being produced right now.

We won't be running out anytime soon.
 
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j-mac said:
So, just so i have this straight, liberals hated Bush for going into the ME so much so that they put in a guy that was sure to abruptly pull out as fast as he could, and when that is shown to be a complete mistake, its still not his fault?

Wow! Amazing....
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No the mistake was going in there the in the first place trying to re-brand a country in our image when they didn't ask for it. Now thanks to our arrogance, we are stuck there permenantly.

I don't fault any President (Republican or Democrat) for trying to get us out of that f*** up region. This is the one thing I agree with Rand Paul on.
 
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Grant said:
That's the point, and why the troops should have stayed!
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More historical revisionism by the Right. Iraq refused to let us stay and threatened to prosecute US service men who engage in any activity that harmed civilians.

I guess this wasn't in your rightwing talking point memo.
 
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US Conservative said:
You should mail this to the 2004 DNC, they didn't get the memo, opposed the surge, and painted Bush as war criminal.
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Oh, OK, so, you find what the DNC did wrong, and then you go and do the same thing, huh? Two wrongs don't make a right.
 
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shrubnose said:
The U.S. Navy has a stockpile of around 3,500 Tomahawk missiles and more are being produced right now.

We won't be running out anytime soon.
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Supposedly we are under a hundred ready to go. I don't know where you got 3500 from. I hope you are right, though. Because this is going to be endless war.
 
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FaceofBachmann said:
More historical revisionism by the Right. Iraq refused to let us stay and threatened to prosecute US service men who engage in any activity that harmed civilians.
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Iraq refused to let the most powerful military in thee world to stay? Do you actually believe that??? SOFA agreements are commonplace throughout the world! Military personnel always must follow local laws!

Status of Forces Agreement: What Is It, and How Has it Been Utilized? - R. Chuck Mason - Google Books
 
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polgara said:
What is going to happen to Israel as a result of all this? I'm fairly certain they are watching this very closely. Damascus in Syria is one of the world's oldest cities, and despite being a relatively small country, Syria has become very important to Obama for some reason, despite the fact that other ME countries are training and arming ISIS, and doing so openly, and bragging about it? Is all this a prelude to the hoped-for destruction of Israel by other ME countries? Just musing...
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Destruction of Israel? That won't happen. Israel has nukes, and would not be afraid to use ALL OF THEM, if they had to.
 
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Grant said:
Iraq refused to let the most powerful military in thee world to stay? Do you actually believe that??? SOFA agreements are commonplace throughout the world!

Status of Forces Agreement: What Is It, and How Has it Been Utilized? - R. Chuck Mason - Google Books
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So the idea is that we were an occupying army that would stay there no matter what the democratically elected government of Iraqis wanted, a government Bush soooo praised?

Now you're contradicting Bush's talking points, and your own.
 
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FaceofBachmann said:
Bush/Cheney policy = Chaos in the Region.

A simple equation even conservatives can understand, if they think real hard.
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You have failed to present compelling causation. What specifically did Bush and Cheney do to cause the civil war in Syria? Last I checked Syria still has it's brutal dictator in place and that is, according the the new progressive narrative of Middle East doctrine, supposed to be the formula for stability.

Iraq was stable until the civil war in Syria spilled over its borders.

So again, what specifically did Bush and Cheney do in Syria?
 
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rcart76 said:
No the mistake was going in there the in the first place trying to re-brand a country in our image when they didn't ask for it. Now thanks to our arrogance, we are stuck there permenantly.

I don't fault any President (Republican or Democrat) for trying to get us out of that f*** up region. This is the one thing I agree with Rand Paul on.
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Where did you get the idea that the people of Iraq didn't want a democracy?
 
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shrubnose said:
The U.S. Navy has a stockpile of around 3,500 Tomahawk missiles and more are being produced right now.

We won't be running out anytime soon.
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The number being produced for 2015 are 100. The Navy's budget was slashed severely. Even with the stockpile on hand they aren't going to last long. The Navy used 47 last night. At that rate according to your number, we have enough to last 74 1/2 days. Each missile costs over a million to produce and they don't just fly off the assembly line like boxes of Junior Mints.
 
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FaceofBachmann said:
I guess this wasn't in your rightwing talking point memo.
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They'll twist it as much as they have to.

Instead of figuring out how to fix this mess all these guys just wanna blame, blame, blame.

One of the central issues in the 2008 election was the Iraq war withdrawal and the fact of the matter is a decent few people didn't vote for McCain because he wanted to stay, when it was clear Bush and Obama supported the timetable for withdrawal.

This is all about scoring cheap political points over a pointless war that should have never happened in the first place.

It's disgusting.
 
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jmotivator said:
You have failed to present compelling causation. What specifically did Bush and Cheney do to cause the civil war in Syria? Last I checked Syria still has it's brutal dictator in place and that is, according the the new progressive narrative of Middle East doctrine, supposed to be the formula for stability.

Iraq was stable until the civil war in Syria spilled over its borders.

So again, what specifically did Bush and Cheney do in Syria?
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Bush invades Iraq under false pretenses. Chaos ensues. Iran - part of the Evil Empire Bush identifies -- becomes the dominate hegemon of the region, sparking armed sectarian conflicts between conflicting religious sects that had simmered under Saddam but were manageable. Syria gets pulled into the mess due to its close ties to Saddam and Iraq.

See, that isn't hard to follow.
 
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FaceofBachmann said:
So the idea is that we were an occupying army that would stay there no matter what the democratically elected government of Iraqis wanted, a government Bush soooo praised?

Now you're contradicting Bush's talking points, and your own.
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You are repeating the Obama excuses, and lies, when any negotiations were easy and straightforward. Obama promised to pull the troops from Iraq, he had American electoral support to do that, and was determined to do that. He just did a little CYA later, but everyone expected a SOFA agreement to be signed and put in place. Biden called this withdrawal their 'greatest accomplishment' and certainly never mentioned Maliki.
 
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Texmex said:
You could volunteer to put your boots on the ground. Of course, they don't have to be American boots.
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I would have no problem with it.....as I didn't with NAM. I volunteered and was never drafted. Course now they have this issue about age. Moreover growing up here where I did. One thing is for certain. I was warring a long time before I ever joined Uncle Sam's Gang.

Another thing.....I would be in the thick of it up on the front.....if not behind enemy lines, and not hiding behind anyone else. Rangers Lead the Way. Sua Sponte.
 
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