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Scottish referendum: Voters to reject independence - BBC

Sherman123 said:
They are also projecting a 55 to 45 split which sounds pretty devastating on top of it all for the Yes campaign.
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I disagree. Having 45% of your populace willing to bolt is pretty devastating for the rest of the UK (the "no" campaign). 45% is a scary close showing of discontent. The UK will have to institute serious reforms or deal with this matter again, very likely with different result.
 
upsideguy said:
I disagree. Having 45% of your populace willing to bolt is pretty devastating for the rest of the UK (the "no" campaign). 45% is a scary close showing of discontent. The UK will have to institute serious reforms or deal with this matter again, very likely with different result.
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Well the last Quebec referendum was I think 50.85% No, and polls just before the last election said it would be 65% No now, so not necessarily.
 
upsideguy said:
I disagree. Having 45% of your populace willing to bolt is pretty devastating for the rest of the UK (the "no" campaign). 45% is a scary close showing of discontent. The UK will have to institute serious reforms or deal with this matter again, very likely with different result.
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Nailed it.
 
upsideguy said:
I disagree. Having 45% of your populace willing to bolt is pretty devastating for the rest of the UK (the "no" campaign). 45% is a scary close showing of discontent. The UK will have to institute serious reforms or deal with this matter again, very likely with different result.
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My understand is that in the final hours, Cameron actual gave into so many of Scotland's demands that some commentators are referring to it as "de facto independence".

Cameron Pledges Overhaul of Parliament After Scots Vote

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Cameron is seeking to answer criticism from lawmakers in his Conservative Party angry that Scotland will be handed powers to control tax, spending and social policy while its lawmakers in Westminster would still be able to influence English laws.
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Carjosse said:
Well the last Quebec referendum was I think 50.85% No, and polls just before the last election said it would be 65% No now, so not necessarily.
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How often can those things happened?
 
upsideguy said:
I disagree. Having 45% of your populace willing to bolt is pretty devastating for the rest of the UK (the "no" campaign). 45% is a scary close showing of discontent. The UK will have to institute serious reforms or deal with this matter again, very likely with different result.
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Still, a ten point gap between those wanting to bolt, and those wanting to stay, is still a comfortable one. And one with which will dispel any concerns of tampering, influence or such that occurs if the vote was closer.
 
I think it's a shame the Scottish people didn't decide to ditch their British overlords, but I'm glad to see at least a few changes for the better are being made because of it. Some people just aren't ready to govern themselves.
 
Hamster Buddha said:
Referendums. Is there any legal constraints on this happening ten years from now?
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I have no idea since I am not British, but in Quebec it is really based on which political party is in power and the public opinion.
 
Carjosse said:
I have no idea since I am not British, but in Quebec it is really based on which political party is in power and the public opinion.
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So as far as Quebec is concerned, there is no statutory limit on how often they can have a referendum every year then?
 
Hamster Buddha said:
So as far as Quebec is concerned, there is no statutory limit on how often they can have a referendum every year then?
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Technically I think so, but like I said we will not see one any time soon, the Liberals will be in power for probably 8 years or more, the PQ is in shambles, and public opinion is only rising against sovereignty as the supporters are literally dying out.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I think it's a shame the Scottish people didn't decide to ditch their British overlords, but I'm glad to see at least a few changes for the better are being made because of it. Some people just aren't ready to govern themselves.
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I'm not sure just how much of an overlord England is, been to Scotland and I didn't see Redcoats marching in the town squares.

Scotland has it's own Parliament.

When my wife and I did the train tour of Scotland I saw a land that looked and acted more like Appalachia than a prosperous nation state, Scotland would be like Maine leaving the Republic- too small a people and economy for true Independence (Scotland is 1/3rd the Land mass but only 1/8th of the population of the UK.) Practically they would still need England to maintain any sort of economy that didn't plunge the nation back into the 1800's without the industrial base of that time.

I get the feeling it is more like Texas in the feeling of unique but not really wanting to be separate.
 
RabidAlpaca said:
I think it's a shame the Scottish people didn't decide to ditch their British overlords, but I'm glad to see at least a few changes for the better are being made because of it. Some people just aren't ready to govern themselves.
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How could they 'ditch' their British overlords, when they themselves are British? Your lack of understanding of the UK is matched only by your hatred of it. But then you're a libertarian. You guys hate everything except Ayn Rand.
 
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