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McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a [W:391]

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Cephus said:
No, they'll just automate and lay off all of their high-priced workers. Then, instead of making minimum wage, they'll make nothing.
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If all it took to automate was the difference between $7.25 an hour and $10.10 it would already be done. Machines aren't lazy, they don't get tired, they don't call in sick. Automation is expensive and good automation is really expensive. If you go cheap then your machines will always be down and you will still be paying someone to take orders and no matter how easy the interface is there will be a large portion of the customers who won't be able to figure it out.
 
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ludin said:
easy i don't have to pay a tablet 15 dollars an hour. IE i don't need cashiers to run the menu ordering.
person walks up selects big mac combo meal pays waits for food.

i personally like them. to many times people taking my order screw it up. i would rather do it myself.
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McDonalds food is crap. So is the food their competitors churn out but McDonalds is just the worst of a bad lot. They can't push enough sh*t out through drive-through windows, while paying slave wages, so they're trying to make the sh*t come even faster from machines. Anyone who eats that crap is reinforcing the lowest-common-denominator marketing strategy and deserves the diabetes, obesity and organ failure.
 
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tech30528 said:
Almost all of these fast food places are privately owned and quality and service will be subjective. Where we live Wendy's has good food and mediocre service. Burger King is total rock bottom ( which disappoints me so because I loooooove a Whopper now and then) and McD's is top notch. Right now they are handing out little hourglass timers at the first window, you get something free if it runs out before you get your food. The first time it was explained to me my reply was "pffft, not going to happen here, you guys rock" and handed it back. I like a good bagel breakfast sandwich.
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Gawd-damn. You really eat that crap? You 'loooooove' a Whopper?
F*cksakes, man. My dog eats better food.
 
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ludin said:
i agree i only eat there if i have to. their burgers stink. i don't know what they use or how they cook them but they are just nasty and taste like cardboard.
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Pink slime? My dogs like them - that's their treat on long road trips. I drink their tea, which is always good, and sometimes fries. That's about it.
 
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Grand Mal said:
Gawd-damn. You really eat that crap? You 'loooooove' a Whopper?
F*cksakes, man. My dog eats better food.
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Just because something is crap, does not mean it cannot taste good.

Whopper's can be very tasty...but they are not very good for you...especially if you eat them often.
 
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Grand Mal said:
McDonalds food is crap. So is the food their competitors churn out but McDonalds is just the worst of a bad lot. They can't push enough sh*t out through drive-through windows, while paying slave wages, so they're trying to make the sh*t come even faster from machines. Anyone who eats that crap is reinforcing the lowest-common-denominator marketing strategy and deserves the diabetes, obesity and organ failure.
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ugg always with the ranting nonsense.

a question was asked what does wording a burger on a tablet have to do with minimum wage.
the fact it a lot. these workers want 15 an hour minimum wage.

ok i will put in an automated ordering system that i don't have to pay minimum wage 2. i can setup 3 or 4 of these stations.
and that gets rid of 3 or 4 cashiers.

mcdonalds problem is their food quality. it stinks and is expensive.
their prices are right up there with real quality burger joints and that is what is killing them.
 
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Crovax said:
If all it took to automate was the difference between $7.25 an hour and $10.10 it would already be done. Machines aren't lazy, they don't get tired, they don't call in sick. Automation is expensive and good automation is really expensive. If you go cheap then your machines will always be down and you will still be paying someone to take orders and no matter how easy the interface is there will be a large portion of the customers who won't be able to figure it out.
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So you have a tech on hand....machines dont require benefits, parking, office space, lockers, break rooms, time cards, etc.
 
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DA60;1063765476[B said:
]Just because something is crap, does not mean it cannot taste good[/B].

Whopper's can be very tasty...but they are not very good for you...especially if you eat them often.
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10 million flies can't be wrong.
 
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JasperL said:
Pink slime? My dogs like them - that's their treat on long road trips. I drink their tea, which is always good, and sometimes fries. That's about it.
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it is something with how they process their patties at creation. the best burgers have a 80/20 or 90/10 meat to fat ratio. these produce a good tasting burger that is moist and juicy.

i think mcdonalds use a lot of filler kinda like when you order crab cakes you really don't get a lot of crab it is mostly fillers.

this would give their burger a hard more tasteless patty. then add that to the fact that they are frozen for who knows how long before being shipped to the different stores.
most places get 2 deliveries a week depending.
 
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Lursa said:
So you have a tech on hand....machines dont require benefits, parking, office space, lockers, break rooms, time cards, etc.
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So instead of paying 2 cashiers $7.25 you pay 1 tech $15 plus the cost of the machines, clearly a smart business decision
 
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ludin said:
ugg always with the ranting nonsense.

a question was asked what does wording a burger on a tablet have to do with minimum wage.
the fact it a lot. these workers want 15 an hour minimum wage.

ok i will put in an automated ordering system that i don't have to pay minimum wage 2. i can setup 3 or 4 of these stations.
and that gets rid of 3 or 4 cashiers..
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Won't sell any more crapburgers. They won't cut the price, will they, and crap is crap, no matter how fast it lands in your lap.

ludin said:
mcdonalds problem is their food quality. it stinks and is expensive.
their prices are right up there with real quality burger joints and that is what is killing them.
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I agree. That's my point. And they deserve to die.
 
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Crovax said:
So instead of paying 2 cashiers $7.25 you pay 1 tech $15 plus the cost of the machines, clearly a smart business decision
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Apparently you arent aware of how much benefitrs, HR people, and all the other things I mentioned cost.

And even at the cafeterias I mentioned or the supermarkets with 4-6 self-checkouts, they *may* have one dedicated person to over see it or the may use a manager, etc, with the right training.
 
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Lursa said:
Apparently you arent aware of how much benefitrs, HR people, and all the other things I mentioned cost.

And even at the cafeterias I mentioned or the supermarkets with 4-6 self-checkouts, they *may* have one dedicated person to over see it or the may use a manager, etc, with the right training.
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We have 6 self checkouts at my store, they are a pain. Lots of customers hate them, half are to dumb to use them, the often malfunction and pulling the money for the reset takes a long time and eats up the payroll of the 2 managers required to do it. To top it off the sales running through all 6 self checkouts rarely beats a single register
 
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Crovax said:
We have 6 self checkouts at my store, they are a pain. Lots of customers hate them, half are to dumb to use them, the often malfunction and pulling the money for the reset takes a long time and eats up the payroll of the 2 managers required to do it. To top it off the sales running through all 6 self checkouts rarely beats a single register
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Yet I've read that every chain that has bought them them has found them to be a good investment.
 
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DA60 said:
Just because something is crap, does not mean it cannot taste good.

Whopper's can be very tasty...but they are not very good for you...especially if you eat them often.
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Yup, exactly. Where I am a good burger is hard to find so I will sometimes just go to a BK outlet to satisfy my urges- a whopper with onion rings on the side does wonders to homesickness.
 
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PoS said:
Yup, exactly. Where I am a good burger is hard to find so I will sometimes just go to a BK outlet to satisfy my urges- a whopper with onion rings on the side does wonders to homesickness.
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Where are you that a good burger is hard to find?

Take this:
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(sirloin steak)

And this:
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(chuck steak)

Put it through this:
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Then decide how you like your burgers and turn it into something like this:
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If you can't figure that out, you don't deserve a good burger.
 
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Neomalthusian said:
Where are you that a good burger is hard to find?

Take this:
top-sirloin-steak-1.gif

(sirloin steak)

And this:
chuck-steak1.jpg

(chuck steak)

Put it through this:
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Then decide how you like your burgers and turn it into something like this:
kumas-burger-chicago-illinois-united-states.jpg


If you can't figure that out, you don't deserve a good burger.
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Thanks for the mouthwatering pics but USDA prime beef is extremely expensive and imported in frozen where I am so it aint practical to do what you are suggesting. When I do buy USDA prime I pretty much cook it as a steak.
 
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PoS said:
Thanks for the mouthwatering pics but USDA prime beef is extremely expensive and imported in frozen where I am so it aint practical to do what you are suggesting. When I do buy USDA prime I pretty much cook it as a steak.
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Hm, well that makes sense then. Hopefully as a consolation you have access to some decent seafood?
 
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Neomalthusian said:
Hm, well that makes sense then. Hopefully as a consolation you have access to some decent seafood?
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Oh hell yeah! Tuna and spiny lobster are very cheap here, I eat them close to twice a week! :chew:

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PoS said:
Oh hell yeah! Tuna and spiny lobster are very cheap here, I eat them close to twice a week! :chew:

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Then I can't feel too bad about your burger deprivation. When we get our hands on some winter white king salmon, that is wagyu beef of he sea, far as I'm concerned. Not easy to catch, especially that time of year. But it's unlike anything else.
 
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JasperL said:
No, I just realize there is little point discussing this with someone whose opinion on the poor is "f*ck em." There is no part of that sentiment I agree with, obviously, or I wouldn't donate money or time to help the people about whom you have nothing but contempt. There is no common ground to reach.
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The poor will continue to be poor so long as they are not forced to improve their own situation in life. They are largely poor because they have done it to themselves, made bad decisions and failed to take advantage of opportunities when they had the chance. Who else is to blame for their situation? You refuse to acknowledge their part in their own failures.
 
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Grand Mal said:
Gawd-damn. You really eat that crap? You 'loooooove' a Whopper?
F*cksakes, man. My dog eats better food.
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Yeah well,once in a while a burger isn't going to kill you. I think it's funny that so many people get all high and mighty about businesses they have moral issues with (like fast food places, Walmart, etc.) and yet these places still get huge market share. Deer season just started here and the wild hogs will be moving soon. We have our preferred local food, but McDonalds is not going out of business any time soon.
 
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DA60 said:
'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.

Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.
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My quick guess is that this improvement, which should be done regardless of whether there is a continuing loss of market share, will do more to bring convenience to existing McDonald's customers than to regain lost customers/attain new ones. The principal reason McDonald's has been losing market share is that there is a large sociocultural shift underway in which younger diners are seeking healthier and fresher foods, putting quality ahead of cost. McDonald's business model is built on low cost (which undercuts its ability to serve the healthier and fresher food being demanded) and speed of service. The new ordering option will serve the existing business model, which is already eroding. It won't accommodate the underlying reasons for the shift in demand. Therefore, it's unlikely that the new approach will reverse McDonald's ongoing erosion in market share.
 
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DA60 said:
'If you’ve ever felt guilty ordering at McDonald’s, the fast-food mega-chain has just the fix: You can now order your own quarter-pound bacon cheeseburger from a welcoming, non-judging machine.

Battling the worst sales slump in a decade and competition from build-your-own upstarts like Chipotle and Smashburger, McDonald’s is expanding a test concept built around ordering via tablet. Just tap on a screen and watch as your burger’s toppings (and calories) pile on, then wait for an employee to bring it over. No human interaction necessary.

McDonald’s move towards dehumanization, launched as a pilot last winter and expanded across San Diego last week, is part of a larger trend of chain eateries turning tablets into your full-time restaurant buddy: equal parts menu, server and paycheck. Applebee’s, Panera Bread and even airport bars have installed tablets to allow diners to order food or booze without a wait.'

McDonald’s fresh hope to turn around slumping sales: Ordering burgers from a machine - The Washington Post


This is what happens when - among other reasons - you start demanding higher pay then your position is worth (like fast food workers demanding $15/hr.).

If these fast food workers force Congress to adopt a $15/hr. minimum wage? I guarantee you that the above will be the result...automation and mass layoffs.

It ain't rocket science people - you are VERY replaceable.
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These people who actually believe they're worth 15 dollars an hour are clearly replaceable by a flipping vending machine... Goes to show how useless they are.

These McDonalds jobs are for kids so they can have a few bucks in their pocket - not adults trying to make ends meet.

Why in the hell should some fast food employee make as much as a skilled laborer or some kid fresh out of college?

Of course a democrat that supports this 15/hr nonsense would ever our could ever answer these simple questions.
 
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