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Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democrat

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about the 8th thread. we know.
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

about the 8th thread. we know.

Really? I just found out. I guess I need to tune into mainstream media more often.
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

Really? I just found out. I guess I need to tune into mainstream media more often.

Or just look at the threads that have already been posted...

I am curious though, how could you vote for Paul, someone who is not a huge fan of government, to Sanders, who hasn't seen a government program he didn't love?
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

Or just look at the threads that have already been posted...

I am curious though, how could you vote for Paul, someone who is not a huge fan of government, to Sanders, who hasn't seen a government program he didn't love?

Many seem to think, as we see (saw?) with Obama, that presidential campaign promises will somehow become reality in federal policy. Obama ran opposing Bush federal income tax rate policy and Bush's "unpatriotic" levels of federal deficit spending but governed (and won re-election) by keeping 98.6% of Bush federal income tax rate policy and increasing the level of federal deficit spending. Most (all but about $60 billion annually) of the federal income tax revenue increases under Obama came from a slow economic recovery and, even with 2014 federal income tax revenue at a record high level, Obama still has the annual federal deficit higher than any year under Bush. No he can't.
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

Or just look at the threads that have already been posted...

I am curious though, how could you vote for Paul, someone who is not a huge fan of government, to Sanders, who hasn't seen a government program he didn't love?

Need to take the best of what is out there... Hillary or Bernie?
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

I am curious though, how could you vote for Paul, someone who is not a huge fan of government, to Sanders, who hasn't seen a government program he didn't love?

(Ron) Paul and Sanders have similar positions on war, civil liberties, government surveillance, anti-corporatism, drug prohibition, etc. It's likely that kramercat places more of an emphasis on social/civil issues (where Paul and Sanders pretty much agree on) rather than economic issues(which is where the big differences appear). That would explain why he went from supporting a free market capitalist to supporting a democratic socialist.
 
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Yet Rand Paul has now tacked to the right of right on ISIL from his glass house.
He'll be torn to shreds by his fellow GOPs long before he runs for Senator again and loses in 2016 .
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

(Ron) Paul and Sanders have similar positions on war, civil liberties, government surveillance, anti-corporatism, drug prohibition, etc. It's likely that kramercat places more of an emphasis on social/civil issues (where Paul and Sanders pretty much agree on) rather than economic issues(which is where the big differences appear). That would explain why he went from supporting a free market capitalist to supporting a democratic socialist.

That makes sense, except for the anti-corporatism bit that I think you made up because you may hate anyone with more money than you. I kid, but seriously, what is that support to be? You're against corporations?
 
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Yet Rand Paul has now tacked to the right of right on ISIL from his glass house.
He'll be torn to shreds by his fellow GOPs long before he runs for Senator again and loses in 2016 .

He said Ron Paul, and I doubt it in any event. Rand Paul is just enough of a conservative that they'll let him slide. That and he's been very supporting of Mitch so I think he's with them at this point.
 
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That makes sense, except for the anti-corporatism bit that I think you made up because you may hate anyone with more money than you. I kid, but seriously, what is that support to be? You're against corporations?

Corporatism is an economic system in which large corporations wield great amounts of political influence and lobby governments for state protections. Anti-corporatism would be the support of ending such a system by stopping the bailouts, ending subsidies to big business, ending (or at least reforming) incorporation, fixing the patent system, setting up campaign funding restrictions, etc.
 
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Corporatism is an economic system in which large corporations wield great amounts of political influence and lobby governments for state protections. Anti-corporatism would be the support of ending such a system by stopping the bailouts, ending subsidies to big business, ending (or at least reforming) incorporation, fixing the patent system, setting up campaign funding restrictions, etc.

Oh I've always called that Corporate Welfare, and in that case I'm opposed to it as well. Except the Campaign Funding deal, mainly because I feel like they should have as much say any other organization out there. Besides, if they didn't do it as a corporation, they'd just do it as individuals, so you'd still have the same issue (at least in this case it's out in the open.) Only time a politician ever has a back bone is when he's not up for re-election anyways.
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

Oh I've always called that Corporate Welfare, and in that case I'm opposed to it as well. Except the Campaign Funding deal, mainly because I feel like they should have as much say any other organization out there. Besides, if they didn't do it as a corporation, they'd just do it as individuals, so you'd still have the same issue (at least in this case it's out in the open.) Only time a politician ever has a back bone is when he's not up for re-election anyways.

Yeah, I agree that it won't completely eliminate the problem but I think it's a good start at least. There are other steps we can (and should IMO) take beyond that.
 
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You haven't heard the end of the campaign manager for McConnell who had to resign.
The one who said in front of McConnell that he was holding his nose supporting MITCH, as he is a Ron/'Rand Paul guy.
He said Ron Paul, and I doubt it in any event. Rand Paul is just enough of a conservative that they'll let him slide. That and he's been very supporting of Mitch so I think he's with them at this point.

He's connected to a man who has pleaded guilty in Iowa to giving a $25,000 bribe
to a Bachmann supporter to change his support to Ron Paul in late 2011.

And the guy has been a part of Rand Paul's campaigns all along.
As I've said, for a guy who lives in a glass house, he's a first-class fool.

I say he doesn't survive running for the Senate in 2016 .
 
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You haven't heard the end of the campaign manager for McConnell who had to resign.
The one who said in front of McConnell that he was holding his nose supporting MITCH, as he is a Ron/'Rand Paul guy.


He's connected to a man who has pleaded guilty in Iowa to giving a $25,000 bribe
to a Bachmann supporter to change his support to Ron Paul in late 2011.

And the guy has been a part of Rand Paul's campaigns all along.
As I've said, for a guy who lives in a glass house, he's a first-class fool.

I say he doesn't survive running for the Senate in 2016 .

I would be very shocked if Mitch and "establishment" Republicans ran hard against Rand in 2016, with how much he has supported Mitch this go around. Yes there are a lot that dislike him in the Republican party, especially considering his stance on terrorism and military actions (i.e. the neo-cons). But say what you will for politicians, they are very quid pro quo. I.e. you do for me, and I'll do for you. Then again, 2016 is a long time away, any number of things could happened between here and there.
 
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I'll be surprised if all of Bevin's people support Mitch, let alone the turncoat back-stabber Rand.
He turned his back on his own people to Let's Make A Deal with McFilibuster . .

I would be very shocked if Mitch and "establishment" Republicans ran hard against Rand in 2016, with how much he has supported Mitch this go around. Yes there are a lot that dislike him in the Republican party, especially considering his stance on terrorism and military actions (i.e. the neo-cons). But say what you will for politicians, they are very quid pro quo. I.e. you do for me, and I'll do for you. Then again, 2016 is a long time away, any number of things could happened between here and there.
 
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I'll be surprised if all of Bevin's people support Mitch, let alone the turncoat back-stabber Rand.
He turned his back on his own people to Let's Make A Deal with McFilibuster . .

The will, because ultimately (for them and I'll probably be in that camp) it's better to have a Republican in the Senate, and maybe Republicans in control of congress, then two more years of the last two years...
 
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Many seem to think, as we see (saw?) with Obama, that presidential campaign promises will somehow become reality in federal policy. Obama ran opposing Bush federal income tax rate policy and Bush's "unpatriotic" levels of federal deficit spending but governed (and won re-election) by keeping 98.6% of Bush federal income tax rate policy and increasing the level of federal deficit spending. Most (all but about $60 billion annually) of the federal income tax revenue increases under Obama came from a slow economic recovery and, even with 2014 federal income tax revenue at a record high level, Obama still has the annual federal deficit higher than any year under Bush. No he can't.


But Obama is the poster boy of the progressive movement! A liberal!

NOT

I've said for six years the guy is a progressive opportunist
 
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Exactly--because over two years of all-time records for filibusters is much less preferable than
McConnell's promises to the Koch conferences to shut down the gubmit.

How'd you like that new Grimes ad showing McMitch how to hold a gun? :lamo

And, Mitch is being kept busy with his own race and stuck in KY, wasting millions he could be using for another state's candidate,
like Pat Roberts who may be in more trouble than any incumbent, D or R >
The will, because ultimately (for them and I'll probably be in that camp) it's better to have a Republican in the Senate, and maybe Republicans in control of congress, then two more years of the last two years...

And Mitch gets away with shamelessly using his own wife while whining about any criticism of her.
See any double standard there--as with criticisms of Obama's wife or old man Lundergan ?
 
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A fitting payback for Obama would not only be for his wife to run for the Senate in 2016, all but a done deal,
but to become only the 2nd President to ever get elected to congress after being the POTUS >
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

Exactly--because over two years of all-time records for filibusters is much less preferable than
McConnell's promises to the Koch conferences to shut down the gubmit.

How'd you like that new Grimes ad showing McMitch how to hold a gun? :lamo

And, Mitch is being kept busy with his own race and stuck in KY, wasting millions he could be using for another state's candidate,
like Pat Roberts who may be in more trouble than any incumbent, D or R >

And Mitch gets away with shamelessly using his own wife while whining about any criticism of her.
See any double standard there--as with criticisms of Obama's wife or old man Lundergan ?

Oh how nice it would be to live in a world where it's only the Republicans that are blocking the way of progress. In any case, we've had enough of the Democrat's ideal of government, and it's time to let the Reps have another shot at it. Then in 2016 they'll win the presidency, and all the Republicans will get together and pass something that no one asked for and was monumentally stupid, and in 2018 Democrats will take back the senate and the house. And the cycle continues...

By the way RCP still shows Republicans getting 51 seats in the senate, so I'm not sure what you are talking about with the money line.

Also, I don't think Obama would run for Senate after going through 8 years of this...
 
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Oh how nice it would be to live in a world where it's only the Republicans that are blocking the way of progress. In any case, we've had enough of the Democrat's ideal of government, and it's time to let the Reps have another shot at it.
You mean when Mitch whined all last decade for an up-or-down vote or threatened the nuclear option--some change there.
Then in 2016 they'll win the presidency, and all the Republicans will get together and pass something that no one asked for and was monumentally stupid,
Have you noticed yet that GOPs have 24 seats to cover compared to 10 for Dems in 2016 when Dems traditionally vote more.
It's a bit late for me to chide you on who they are but it's an easy Google.
How do you like KYnect/ACA--remember when <Mitch wouldn't answer a question on it and tried in vain to hand the mic to Rand? :lamo
and in 2018 Democrats will take back the senate and the house.
Dems will be lucky to keep the Senate in 2018 and don't really have a chance at the House until 2020, a Presidential census remap.
Dems have been dreadful in the last two mid-term census elections,
thus we get the impotent GOP House that can't even agree with itself except on repeal and not replace.

By the way RCP still shows Republicans getting 51 seats in the senate, so I'm not sure what you are talking about with the money line.
Which is down from the 52-48 lead they had and still gives KS, GA, KY, AK, and AR to the GOP.
Also, I don't think Obama would run for Senate after going through 8 years of this...
But you heard it from me first--and he'll run for an easy House seat in 2018 or 2020 while Michelle runs for the senate in 2016.
 
Re: Vermont Independent Sen. Bernie Sanders says he may run for president as a Democr

Exactly--because over two years of all-time records for filibusters is much less preferable than
McConnell's promises to the Koch conferences to shut down the gubmit.

How'd you like that new Grimes ad showing McMitch how to hold a gun? :lamo

And, Mitch is being kept busy with his own race and stuck in KY, wasting millions he could be using for another state's candidate,
like Pat Roberts who may be in more trouble than any incumbent, D or R >

And Mitch gets away with shamelessly using his own wife while whining about any criticism of her.
See any double standard there--as with criticisms of Obama's wife or old man Lundergan ?

People might pay attention to your partisan ramblings if you actually knew anything about Kentucky politics, but it's obvious you don't. We haven't elected a Dem senator in over 22 years and have only one Dem representative.

Rand Paul is extremely popular here and there's a very good chance we'll have a Republican governor next year. McConnell will easily win reelection.

its also obvious you and Grimes know nothing about guns. It's common to hold a long gun upside down when carrying it over your head. You and Grimes might have a point if he was shooting it upside down.
 
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But Obama is the poster boy of the progressive movement! A liberal!

NOT

I've said for six years the guy is a progressive opportunist

But at least we have transparency and an administration that would never lie to us. ;)
 
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