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Liberal Vermont Senator Sanders may seek U.S. presidency in 2016

And Nixon was so sweet to George Romney, who did give us 12 years of tax returns .
Goldwater was very different on economic policies. He would be considered a Libertarian today, but he was not an anarcho-capitalist, as so many Libertarians are now. He believed in Social Security, and the safety net. He was almost knocked out of the running in 1964. William Scranton, a Senator from Pennsylvania, tried to get George Romney to run and take the nomination away from Goldwater. Romney refused. Nelson Rockefeller also did some nasty things, such as starting a whispering campaign against Goldwater just before the convention started. This is why Goldwater lost to Johnson in 1964. The "Daisy" commercial, claiming that Goldwater would bring nuclear devastation to America, was started by pissed off Republicans after he won the nomination, and of course, the Democrats played that piece over and over. Understand that Republicans in the Northeast at that time were mostly to the left of center, so they quietly supported Johnson. Goldwater got even, though, by turning Ronald Reagan from a Democrat into a Republican, and the rest is history. LOL.
 
I'd like to know even one person in D.C. that consistently stands up to their party. I don't think they exist by your standards.

I can cite dozens of votes against MOST democrats - it's a matter of reviewing the record, and I started a list with a brief review. What's difficult is finding a case where he was the deciding NO vote, but again, I can't name any democrat or republican who occasionally or often provides the final no vote defeating a bill important to the rest of the caucus.

And yet, he's opposed Obama in foreign policy issues. He voted against extending the payroll tax cut. He voted against the bank bailouts, voted against the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan. It seems to me he opposes the POTUS on some pretty important issues. In the area of foreign policy in particular, he's more of a libertarian than a Democrat.
 
And yet, he's opposed Obama in foreign policy issues. He voted against extending the payroll tax cut. He voted against the bank bailouts, voted against the Iraq war, and the war in Afghanistan. It seems to me he opposes the POTUS on some pretty important issues. In the area of foreign policy in particular, he's more of a libertarian than a Democrat.

Yet he wants totally nationalized health insurance, strong gun control, a higher tax rate on corporations, and higher regulation. I really don't see him as much of a Libertarian, except on privacy issues, and war.
 
Yet he wants totally nationalized health insurance, strong gun control, a higher tax rate on corporations, and higher regulation. I really don't see him as much of a Libertarian, except on privacy issues, and war.

No, he's really not a libertarian either, except on some issues.

Maybe he really is an independent.
 
Sanders could be part of an even-numbered cabal in a 48-48 Senate.
I include Manchin, King and Orman for instance.
These four could dictate compromise policy of the kind only the "gangs" began to approach .
No, he's really not a libertarian either, except on some issues.

Maybe he really is an independent.
 
Bernie's a great guy. I don't agree with all his positions but I do with the majority of them. His voting record and his many terms as a Representative in Vermont have shown that he's willing to follow through on principles that Obama only claimed to hold (and demonstrated that he didn't).

Well to be fair... Senators need to do a helluvalot less compromising to get their wishes met for their state as does a president to get his wishes.

Cardinal said:
Unfortunately he is exactly what Conservatives fear that Obama is (except for the illegitimate Kenyan thing), so his cross-party appeal would be nonexistent, which is a shame because if just for the civil rights aspect he's better than anybody you'll get...ever.

I think he'd do well with his message having public appeal in a way where party doesn't matter. He'd come across as a populist.
 
I thought about that.

But I don't give a **** if there was or not. I don't let the color of someones skin influence my vote at the polls.

But I'm wondering if Jimmy Carter is mulatto. :thinking

Then why did you bring the race card into this thread in the first place?
 
First of all, that's a claim you cannot prove, secondly, are you unaware, or just ignoring the amount that the government grew under GWB? And did you know that the national debt doubled during Bush's presidency? That's right, it took two hundred years to accumulate 1 trillion dollars of debt to the nation, and 5 trillion dollars was added in just the eight years GWB was president.
Yes, that's old news, and also irrelevant to what I posted about.

Both parties have added equally to the ND, both parties have taken us into unnecessary wars, both parties have supported militant Islamic groups, both parties have left our southern border unsecured, both parties have engaged in regime change, both parties have destroyed evidence of wrong doing, both parties have lawyer shopped to justify wrong doing, both parties have lied to the American public, both parties have used covert operations around the world to by-pass congressional authorities, (that's no exhaustive list) but, STOP being a partisan, and be a patriotic American demanding that BOTH parties adhere to our constitution. Otherwise, more of all the above will continue.

You are trying to make it sound like they are both doing the same thing, which is misleading and untrue. Nobody has ever spent like Obama, and Reagan was the only President to effectively cut government discretionary spending. Since Reagan though, spending has been insane. But Obama is just off the charts. But go ahead and post some misleading information on what a miser Obama is.
 
We should find out in a few months what America is actually looking for.

Sorry...Sanders is simply a myopic liberal hack. He doesnt want to stop excessive campaign contributions and involvement, he wants to stop republican donors.

Uhhh... no. He's for public funding of elections and getting all the big money out of elections.

VanceMack said:
He isnt opposed to bankers and brokers and special interest groups...he is just opposed to the ones that support GOP causes.

Not even close to true. He thinks the big bank frauds should be in jail.

VanceMack said:
He is no different than all the rich democrats living in their mansions separated from the masses and bemoaning all the 'little people' and how unfair the world is for them.

That being said...I TRULY hope he does run. It should make for an interesting primary to see which one of their own the democrats start eating because they represent a threat to the party choice. I can see a rerun of 1992. Run Jesse Run!!!

Where do you get your info on Bernie Sanders? None of that is true.
 
I understand that someone could support Sander's views but I just don't understand how you would not consider those views extreme - unless you're just brushing off the extremism of those views because you support them. I mean, I suspect ISIS followers recognized that their own views are clearly out of step with the rest of the world even if they support those views.

Did you read the Sander's quotes in the OP? He's talking about commonsense equality and justice in a way that is often heard when ordinary people speak. Those ideas are only taboo among politicians afraid of offending their big money contributors and media outlets afraid of losing their advertisers.

"The goal of real healthcare reform must be high-quality, universal coverage in a cost-effective way."

"You know, I think many people have the mistaken impression that Congress regulates Wall Street. In truth that's not the case. The real truth is that Wall Street regulates the Congress."

"I don't believe there's a red state in America where people believe you should cut Medicare, Social Security and veterans' benefits rather than doing away with corporate tax loopholes."

"Let us wage a moral and political war against war itself, so that we can cut military spending and use that money for human needs."
Sanders from http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/b/bernie_sanders.html
 
Try EVERY quote he ever makes on 'the problem'. Oh...he is QUICK to point out the other guys. But he doesnt point out the 'in' crowd.

Start with his own website.

What Do the Koch Brothers Want? - Senator Bernie Sanders of Vermont

notice there isnt a link to "George Soros"? Or any other wealthy democrat contributors? PACs?

That's a load of bull. I listen to him every single week as he appears on a talk show I listen to on Fridays and he's constantly calling out dems who act the same as the GOP fat cat big donor. You are way beyond wrong and are just throwing stones into the darkness with your eyes closed.
 
Is Bernie Sanders really a socialist?
When has he advocated the government taking over the means of production?

He calls himself an independent Democratic Socialist.
 
That's very cool. Diesel or gas/propane?

Propane, from one each 1,000 gallon and 500 gallon underground tanks that are interconnected. It's a 50Kw generator that has an automatic switch and comes on less then 5 seconds after I loose power, and automatically switches back to shoreline power once it detects the power is back on without any loss of power on the back end. I have certain circuits on a solar powered/rechargeable uninterrupted power source (UPS) that I keep my lights, server, TV's and satellite coms connected to, that keep them going until the generator kicks in so there's no loss of needed power on the front end.

The longest it's run was almost two weeks during an ice storm. We never noticed any difference. We have two wells for water, a septic system and propane heat so we never lost water, sewer or got cold during the ice storm. It's come on during shorter outages, but nothing more than a couple days at a time. During the two week outage, even with propane heat and the generator using propane, we used less than 100 gallons - so I feel if needed I could go a couple months (or more) without external power if needed.
 
The phrase "mindless partisan hack" came from the post I quoted.

If he calls himself a socialist, if he's really a socialist, then he must be for the government taking over US industry.

nahh... he's for a very well regulated capitalism. Not overtaking industry. Like putting glass/steagal back into place for the banks.
 
Yes, that's old news, and also irrelevant to what I posted about.



You are trying to make it sound like they are both doing the same thing, which is misleading and untrue. Nobody has ever spent like Obama, and Reagan was the only President to effectively cut government discretionary spending. Since Reagan though, spending has been insane. But Obama is just off the charts. But go ahead and post some misleading information on what a miser Obama is.

Why would I do that. Obama's not a miser, like Bush before him, he's going to double the ND again, and Reagan tripled it. And yes, both parties do the same thing, and with regards to spending and our debt, both parties own it.
 
I just have no clue how the thinking works that would lead to voting for people like Obama, Sanders, and the like. I mean, how do you even get past the tremendous debt, $$$ Trillions that we can't afford now, and you are thinking it would be good to vote for someone that would continue on that path, only worse?

Forget the politics, the financials don't work at all. You have to know you would be voting for a terrible outcome down the road.

Real liberals (like Kucinich, Sanders and only a few others holding federal elective office,) would end the deficit swiftly by eliminating unnecessary expenditures on the drug war, police state and Patriot Act excesses and unnecessary toys, experimental weapon design and building, closing foreign military bases, ending the USA's role as World Police, and ending corruption in government grants, tax breaks, purchasing and contracting....if they can get the legislation passed.
 
Isn't "claims no party" the same as "independent"?

"Free" child care, health care and college, i.e., paid for by taxes, might just pay dividends in the long run. Income equality isn't possible, but then, we have a huge disparity between the very rich and the very poor, with fewer and fewer in the middle. That just isn't a good economic model. Does he stand for a huge tax increase, then, or for redirecting taxes already collected?

He's for redirecting taxes collected and closing tax loopholes.
 
Propane, from one each 1,000 gallon and 500 gallon underground tanks that are interconnected. It's a 50Kw generator that has an automatic switch and comes on less then 5 seconds after I loose power, and automatically switches back to shoreline power once it detects the power is back on without any loss of power on the back end. I have certain circuits on a solar powered/rechargeable uninterrupted power source (UPS) that I keep my lights, server, TV's and satellite coms connected to, that keep them going until the generator kicks in so there's no loss of needed power on the front end.

The longest it's run was almost two weeks during an ice storm. We never noticed any difference. We have two wells for water, a septic system and propane heat so we never lost water, sewer or got cold during the ice storm. It's come on during shorter outages, but nothing more than a couple days at a time. During the two week outage, even with propane heat and the generator using propane, we used less than 100 gallons - so I feel if needed I could go a couple months (or more) without external power if needed.

That is really cool Beau. Thanks for sharing that.
 
Republicans would love to see a real liberal run as badly as I want to see Ted Cruz run.
Talk about handing them 2016 on a platter.

This is the same mentality that led over 53,000 Florida voters to vote for Ralph Nader third party in 2000 and we all know what that gave us.
If you think eight more years of next generation GWB is acceptable, go for it.

Meanwhile, you've already bit on the bait I've been watching these guys put in the trap since I was 14-YO during 1968.
The year Bobby Kennedy went down--along with Martin Luther King Jr.

As I previously said, the system is rigged so that third party candidates are just spoilers. I would not vote for a third party candidate if doing so means that the worst candidate wins. I didn't vote for Nader for that reason. But a Sanders run in the primary will at least bring some important issues into the debates that will go unmentioned otherwise.
 
I have personally calculated that I give approximately 50% of what I earn to one tax or another through the chain. How much is ENOUGH?

I think you should fire your accountant.
 
A good example of his positions that are an attack on individual liberties and in favor of big government. His statements are the obscenities, not a company that creates thousands and thousands of jobs. They are under no obligation to create higher paying jobs, or pay wages that are higher than the market value of the job. I guarantee that Sanders doesn't go into stores like Walmart and ask to pay more at the register because he wants the employees to make more money.

In my view paying a full-time worker enough to live on decently is every employer's responsibility as decent human beings. Paying desperate people inadequate wages is immoral exploitation.
 
Absolutely--and Sanders has done great work for the common man over his decades.

The best part will be the discussion of positive directions for the Democrats to take this Nation.

Compared to what we saw in 2012 from GOPs except Huntsman.

As I previously said, the system is rigged so that third party candidates are just spoilers. I would not vote for a third party candidate if doing so means that the worst candidate wins. I didn't vote for Nader for that reason. But a Sanders run in the primary will at least bring some important issues into the debates that will go unmentioned otherwise.

Nader still thinks it's funny.
I'm sure 4,500 families don't agree.
Not to mention those 22 families who lose a son/daughter/wife/husband/mother/father every day to suicide due to that damn war.
Plus the tens of thousands of maimed soldiers and their families dealing with life-ling injuries.
And the over-loaded VA system unable to handle all the Veterans from Foreign Wars .
 
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